"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[Big.Wayne]

I love the results I am seeing in this thread, really good stuff!

The only strange issue I am not sure about is why memory can't be run at 1:1 with good PL?

[aiya_au]

my new ram should arrive soon so i can start playing with this board.

I've always thought it was better to go for max memory clock with lower multiplier. but it seems that lower memory clock with lower PL is what people are doing. eg 9x445 instead of 8x500. does it yield greater memory bandwidth?

just wondering so i can use it as a guide when i start overclocking.

[truehighroller]

AI Overclock tuner: manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 475
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1141MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: auto
DRAM Timing Control: manual

1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: 5
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information :
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 7
Write to Read Delay (S): 3
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 5
READ to READ Delay (S): 4
READ to READ Delay (D): 6
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): 4
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): 6

3rd Information :
WRITE to PRE Delay: 14
READ to PRE Delay: 5
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 6
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Stronger
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level 8
Pull-In of CHA PH1: Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4: Enabled

CPU Voltage: 1.25xx
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.640
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
DRAM Voltage: 2.02 actual is 2.1
NB Voltage: 1.28
NB GTL Reference: 0.630
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60

Load Line Calibration: enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : normal
NB Clock Skew : normal

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: disabled
Execute Disable Bit: disabled

Bios version 0704
Q9450

These are my settings sir, I borked Vista messing with those lmao... I knew it was going to happen to. I am reinstalling it now.

[PortCitySlim]

Try the settings first, maybe we can bump up to 3.4-3.6 later on... but I think you need better cooling for the quad to keep it cool or run the Zalman flat out...
I just want to know the Vcore required for 3.2ghz... hopefully at or below 1.3Vcore , but that's for you to find out... by testing it a lot... I usually let the CPU run Prime Small FFT's for an hour if it passes I lower Vcore and test again... till it fails, then bump up one or two settings...

If ya find ya correct Vcore then try to run it with eg PLL not at 1.6 but at 1.56, if it fails then go up to 1.58 and test again... it takes some time to know what ya CPU likes and sadly there's no general rule, surely not with 45nm, 65nm is way easier

good luck

Thanks Leeghoofd, I just finished running prime for 18hours at 3.2ghz and 1.32vcore. Everything passed and ran at about 55C. I am going to lap my CPU next week but i wold still like to run 3.4-3.6ghz so now we know how low I can go at 3.2 what do you suggest we try for a higher clock speed?

[R@ptor =]]]

Guys...I'm having trouble increasing the frequency of my memories
I did some tests here. In my previous over, everything was perfect with the cpu, and now that modified the settings of memories, the errors appeared, then there is no doubt that the memories are unstable.
I tested this:
ASUS P5Q DLX Template :

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 6
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: manual
Perfomance level: 10 or 9 i can't remember
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.425
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.26
DRAM Voltage: 2.06 (2.14 real)
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50v

Load Line Calibration: enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
CPU VID: Default
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

[PortCitySlim]

Leeghoofd, I accidentally misread your settings! I just noticed that you suggested leaving loadline on "auto". I had been using your settings but with "loadline" enabled. Now I have got my system to pass 1 hours of small FFT's at 1.3125 and it failed after 4 mins on 1.30625. So actually I can run my system slightly below 1.325 with your exact settings. Now I am ready to go higher hopefully to 1.34 or 1.36 but I think I need your input before I try anything. Thank you again sir, I am really happy you helped me!


Edit: Even though it passes 1.3125 on small FFT's I can't get it to pass large FFT's for longer then 6 mins. I am bumping my memory up a bit and try but I have had it pass 20+ memtests at 5-5-5-15 2.0v so maybe my NB and VTT voltages are a bit to low?

Edit#2: I bumped my VTT up to 1.32 and my NB to 1.3, lowered my PLL to 1.54 and everything seems ok for the moment. Leeghoofd I have seen some things about the PLL voltage being set about 1.55 being dangerous is it safe to play around at 1.6?

[Martin.v.r]

max PL Volt to E8400 on P5Q D...? i got Watercooling.

[Leeghoofd]

These are my settings sir, I borked Vista messing with those lmao... I knew it was going to happen to. I am reinstalling it now.

Think you ar epushing ya rams way to far... Like Tony said P45 seems to have some issues with signal strengths with 2gb dimms to get them going the same way as eg X38/48... you are pushing for max speed etc... but are loosing stability big time with ya settings... I do it the other way around and prefer to get stability and then tweak which is far easier to do then to alter all subtimings and co : some quick pointers

AI Clock Twister: Stronger --> Try AUTO or Lighter here
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level 9
Pull-In of CHA PH1: Enabled --> Disable all
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4: Enabled

CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

If stability is not increased try to mess with the ram skews... you cannot have it all...2gb dimms just don't clock as easy as 1Gb dimms... some peeps have good kits , mine top out around 1120mhz... awaiting the new Gskill PC9600 4gb kit...

I bumped my VTT up to 1.32 and my NB to 1.3, lowered my PLL to 1.54 and everything seems ok for the moment. Leeghoofd I have seen some things about the PLL voltage being set about 1.55 being dangerous is it safe to play around at 1.6?

With 45nm I would be easier on the voltages but even 1.7 is considered safe for 65nm but I stick with max 1.6 for 24/7 ops on 65nm... CPU VTT or FSB Term voltage is the so called dangerous setting for 45nm... They advise to stay below 1.4 at all times , for 65nm they support better higher volts so even there 1.4 is no prob... but if you can run it at eg 1.52 keep it there...

For 3.6ops try 1.45vcore then with the same settings might be needed to up some other voltage (PLL, FSB) try small first again to determine Vcore and then blend or co...

max PL Volt to E8400 on P5Q D...? i got Watercooling.

I use max 1.6 for daily use and 1.7 for benching... with some CPU's even 1.52 works fine for 550 FSB with some I need 1.6 already...

[R@ptor =]]]

Leeghoofd can you help me?
i can't put my memorys to higher frequencies
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[PortCitySlim]

With 45nm I would be easier on the voltages but even 1.7 is considered safe for 65nm but I stick with max 1.6 for 24/7 ops on 65nm... CPU VTT or FSB Term voltage is the so called dangerous setting for 45nm... They advise to stay below 1.4 at all times , for 65nm they support better higher volts so even there 1.4 is no prob... but if you can run it at eg 1.52 keep it there...

For 3.6ops try 1.45vcore then with the same settings might be needed to up some other voltage (PLL, FSB) try small first again to determine Vcore and then blend or co...

Ok, well 1.54 failed large FFT's after 17mins. I am back to 1.6PLL and still at 1.32VTT and 1.3NB. Is all this ok? With your settings I was passing small FFT's all day but when I switched to large FFT's I got quick failures at 1.3125. Is there anything else? Also I am kind of scared about turning off CPU TM and setting PCIE to 101 instead of 100 I have heard 101 can damage your video card, is that just a preference or is that something that is vital to keeping stability. I heard that a good rule about VTT is to keep it very close or slightly above your Vcore, is that right? So when I try for 3.6 I should keep all your settings the same except raise the VTT to match the vcore? Is that right?

[Leeghoofd]

Try these mate, I just have a suspicion the Tracers just need more voltage for +1000mhz operations...

Guys...I'm having trouble increasing the frequency of my memories
I did some tests here. In my previous over, everything was perfect with the cpu, and now that modified the settings of memories, the errors appeared, then there is no doubt that the memories are unstable.
I tested this:
ASUS P5Q DLX Template :

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 52
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: manual
Perfomance level: 10 then try 9 later on
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

FSB Termination Voltage: 1.3
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
NB Voltage: 1.28

Ok, well 1.54 failed large FFT's after 17mins. I am back to 1.6PLL and still at 1.32VTT and 1.3NB. Is all this ok? With your settings I was passing small FFT's all day but when I switched to large FFT's I got quick failures at 1.3125. Is there anything else? Also I am kind of scared about turning off CPU TM and setting PCIE to 101 instead of 100 I have heard 101 can damage your video card, is that just a preference or is that something that is vital to keeping stability. I heard that a good rule about VTT is to keep it very close or slightly above your Vcore, is that right? So when I try for 3.6 I should keep all your settings the same except rais the VTT to match the vcore? Is that right?

Try an OCCT mix, if that passes no worries... I never run Large, seems to crash within the hour on some of my OC's, yet rig is 24/7 folding stable, game stable and benchstable...
Just up the Vcore and the multi and test mate... if not stable try a bit more Vcore , if no go try to mess with FSB Term and co...

[R@ptor =]]]

Thanks for the help mate! i don't need 1.3v for fsb, with 1.26v @ 450fsb is stable
i will try the rest of ya settings, thanks

[PortCitySlim]

Try an OCCT mix, if that passes no worries... I never run Large, seems to crash within the hour on some of my OC's, yet rig is 24/7 folding stable, game stable and benchstable...
Just up the Vcore and the multi and test mate... if not stable try a bit more Vcore , if no go try to mess with FSB Term and co...

By OCCT mix, you mean the blend test in prime95? I just failed after 3 mins of blend. Like I said I am at 1.30NB, 1.32FSB Termination, 1.6PLL, 1.3125vcore, PCIE-101 and 8x400. 1.3125 vcore passed over an hour of small FFT's but so far hasn't got me over 16mins of larger FFT's or blend. Will pcie101 damage my video card? Also when I try for 3.6 should I put CPU TM to enable so I don't overheat my cpu.


Edit: I bumped up to 1.32NB and 1.34FSB Term and that lasted 10mins on blend. Why is my system passing small FFT's but not blends? I know the memory is the first thing to test but like I said it has passed tons of memtests already. I am at 1002mhz 5-5-5-15 Trfc55 and 2.04v

[sxs112]

ASUS P5Q 1004 Beta Bios
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ASUS P5Q Pro 1004 Beta Bios
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ASUS P5Q-C 1004 Beta Bios
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ASUS P5Q-E 1003 Beta Bios
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ASUS P5Q Deluxe 1102 Beta Bios
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ASUS P5Q Premium 1101 Beta Bios
[1101]
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[toreide]

I have some seriously weird behavior from my P5Q-Dlx, and need some advice.

After a lot of trial and error I finally got it to post with my E8400. With default settings loaded, cpu-z reported the system to be running 6*333. Trying to set the multiplier manually fails, it always reports 6*. Only way I could get 3 ghz, was by running 6*500, wich seemed stable in OCCT and 3D Mark 06.

My setup consists of the following:

P5Q-Dlx, bios 0704
E8400
2x1 gb G.SKILL F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ
Asus 7900 GT
OCZ 600W StealthXStream

Questions:
1. I never get any BEEP codes on the power-on self test. This is not correct?
2. Any idea whats up with the cpu multiplier?

[Leeghoofd]

Toreide have you disabled C1E support ? doesn't the multi go up when you run eg Prime or such ?

[PortCitySlim]

I have some seriously weird behavior from my P5Q-Dlx, and need some advice.

After a lot of trial and error I finally got it to post with my E8400. With default settings loaded, cpu-z reported the system to be running 6*333. Trying to set the multiplier manually fails, it always reports 6*. Only way I could get 3 ghz, was by running 6*500, wich seemed stable in OCCT and 3D Mark 06.

My setup consists of the following:

P5Q-Dlx, bios 0704
E8400
2x1 gb G.SKILL F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ
Asus 7900 GT
OCZ 600W StealthXStream

Questions:
1. I never get any BEEP codes on the power-on self test. This is not correct?
2. Any idea whats up with the cpu multiplier?

have you disabled C1E in your advanced menu? Also speedstep if you can see it. Most people here disable everything in the advanced menu.

[toreide]

I'll disable it if I can get it to post :-) Thx for the tip. I now have the cmos batt removed to see if I can get into the bios.

[Leeghoofd]

Porty try one stick seperately plz... with memtest you mean the one in DOS ? or the one in windows ? also try to lower ya volts to 1.92 for the ram , that's 2.0 volts in reality which is enough for my Gskill kit for 1002mhz operations...
Small FFT's is solely CPU test, blend does a mix...

NB voltage shouldn't be needed to be over 1.26... for 400FSB/1002 ops... and eventually try the new beta bios I'm on it seems stable (so far), onyl weird thing now is that my LAN ports need more time to connect to the internet... (or is this a coincidnce with my ISP)

[PortCitySlim]

Sorry, I just found OCCT 2.0.0a on the web, is that the latest version? I run a lot of CPU intensive stuff, mainly chess playing programs that use 100% on all 4 cores constantly. I want to make sure my system is rock stable so what are your suggestions as far as testing. I am guessing that running small FFT's in prime are good to determine minimum vcore. To test NB,and memory as well I used to test largeFFT's in prime but now that I have OCCT should I just run it for like 12-18hours instead?

[PortCitySlim]

Porty try one stick seperately plz... with memtest you mean the one in DOS ? or the one in windows ? also try to lower ya volts to 1.92 for the ram , that's 2.0 volts in reality which is enough for my Gskill kit for 1002mhz operations...
Small FFT's is solely CPU test, blend does a mix...

NB voltage shouldn't be needed to be over 1.26... for 400FSB/1002 ops... and eventually try the new beta bios I'm on it seems stable (so far), onyl weird thing now is that my LAN ports need more time to connect to the internet... (or is this a coincidnce with my ISP)

I use memtest86+ v2.01 the one that boots from a cd. I was about to change these settings in bios, but now I think I will leave NB at 1.26 like you say. As far as the others go, what do you think?
VTT: 1.32
PLL: keeping it at 1.6
SB: 1.2 (saw a post here recommending it)
PCIE: 100 (scared that 101 might damage my GPU)
CPU TM: Enabled, I like to have this safety feature, but if it is hurting my stability somehow please let me know.

I am also about to download OCCT and run a mix of it instead of large FFT's from now on. If any of this looks like a bad idea please please let me know, thanks again for your help leeghoofd, I really appreciate it.

Edit: I just looked at OCCT and since I have never used it before, is there any safety settings that I need to use? Should I run it custom(infinite) or just for 1 or 2 hours? I really want my system rock stable and I just passed another hours or so of small fft's at 1.3125.

[Leeghoofd]

And try to lower the ram volts... and if possible test one stick at a time... memtest in dos didn't find my faulty stick neither... all was fine there, yet OCCT ram test eg failed within minutes on one stick... set Ram voltage also to 1.92 or such... hope it will bring something mate...

[PortCitySlim]

And try to lower the ram volts... and if possible test one stick at a time... memtest in dos didn't find my faulty stick neither... all was fine there, yet OCCT ram test eg failed within minutes on one stick... set Ram voltage also to 1.92 or such... hope it will bring something mate...

Thank you sir, So my above settings changes don't look to bad? As far as having a bad stick of memory, If i did have a faulty stick wouldn't that keep me from passing any blend test no matter what vcore I was using? I have passed several large FFT's and blend tests before at higher vcores so I was assuming my memory was good, but now you got me thinking about it and I think you might be on to something so I will pull each stick and check them one at a time. Thanks for the advice.


Edit: When you say to test them, by what method do you mean? Should I check them one at a time with memtest or should I just try to run the blend test with one stick at a time?

Edit#2: Leeghoofd, I just ran a couple passes with memtest on my sticks at your suggested voltage of 1.92 and together they passed, then back into windows I went to run another prime95 blend test which failed after 10mins. I am going to run an overnight small FFT test just to verify that my vcore is correct and if that passes I am yanking both stick of memory out tomorrow night after work and test them one at a time with either memtest or prime95 blend. Sound like a good plan?

[truehighroller]

ASUS P5Q 1004 Beta Bios
[1004]
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ASUS P5Q Pro 1004 Beta Bios
[1004]
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ASUS P5Q-C 1004 Beta Bios
[1004]
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ASUS P5Q-E 1003 Beta Bios
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ASUS P5Q Deluxe 1102 Beta Bios
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ASUS P5Q Premium 1101 Beta Bios
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Are these good ones? Not ones that pmp was scared of rather? On a side note I hate to underclock my shiznit because the damn board can't handle it grrr... Oh well I will be reinstalling windows vista at my work here all day.

[beast200]

hi

has any body change from a asus p5k premuin black pearl to the p5q delux
was it worth it (sell p5k on ebay)
is it better for overclocking for the e8500 processors (@ 4.13)
does pci-e 2 make any real diffence