ATi 4870X2(R700) PCB Debut

[Dark-Energy]

Oh man, that's great news!

Now I'm gonna regret buying a 4850

[YMAA]

Yay, 3 days before my birthday! Heh, now I know what my August purchase will be

[L7R]

I might suggest you try to find settings for the 4870 X2 that push them into the 30-40fps region, thats where microstuttering is most notable.

What I've noticed anything under 60fps it's noticeable in crysis. Best test is crysis where it is evident with any previous CF or SLI configuration. I shall say it will be groundbreaking news if the microstuttering is finally gone, but it's hard to believe before thorough tests.

EDIT: Another game for testing purposes would be Oblivion with high resolutions and heavy AA+AF use. It's weird when I see even 50fps but it feels like 20fps. Anything over 60fps and it becomes smooth as silk.

[annihilat0r]

It doesn't matter under which res microstuttering is most noticeable, because even if it is not noticeable you can still see it on the frametime benchmarks.

[Akabeth]

AEEEEEEEEEAEEEEEAEUEEEUEEEUEUEUEUE!!!!!!!!!!!

4870X2 IS OFFICIALLY MY NEXT CARD

Didn't you say you'd buy 15 of them


I know I'll buy one first and see how it goes. I think even a QX9770 @ 4ghz would be a bottleneck for one of these

[annihilat0r]

Yeah, I'll buy 15 and distribute 13 of them to the poor.

[Akabeth]

Yeah, I'll buy 15 and distribute 13 of them to the poor.

*please send one to me* (joking)

At any rate, this card is very promising in the high end market. I know this has been mentioned everywhere but would this force nVidia to drop the price of the GTX 200 series even more than it is? (if the CrossfireX scales very well)

[Soultaker52]

Well dang. I guess I'll just have to manage to finance both a new monitor AND a 4870x2. These things just need to be out! We can only hope an early release due to mass card leak, like the 4850... though I doubt it, lol. Me and my childish hopes and dreams, heh.
Though, I would need a confirmation that it works fine on a P35 board, seeing as I don't really want to have to buy a new mobo. If it doesn't, I guess I'll just have to go with a single chip solution. =/

[annihilat0r]

Why do you need a new monitor? 22" is just fine and I don't think resolutions above 1680 are worth the performance hit they cause.

[Chickenfeed]

1920x1200 is a nice jump up from 1680x1050 plus you have the added advantage of being able to display full 1080P content. These cards probably won't even dip that much from 16x10 to 19x12 anyways. Looking at CF 4870 results, they do very well at 19x12 and the added VRAM and scaling on the X2 will only make this even better. Can't wait to try this on my 24

[Soultaker52]

Why do you need a new monitor? 22" is just fine and I don't think resolutions above 1680 are worth the performance hit they cause.

Haha, it's mainly due to me wanting a monitor that will scale resolutions properly, and has HDMI. PS3 looks quite ty on 720p stretched to 16:10. That and the lack of scaling on this monitor has driven me insane with older games and their lack of widescreen support. Then add to the fact that my dad is coughing up half the price because he wants my old monitor, it makes it a decent deal. 220USD for a 24" would be all I'd be paying, so that works fine for me price wise. Unfortunately, it almost kills an upgrade path to the 4870X2 for me. I have other things I need to pay for (eg. College), and I like having a decent buffer in my bank account. If you feel like talking me out of it, it'd be welcome. I'd like to be able to afford an X2.
Personally I'm trying to figure out a way I could afford both. We'll see how that pans out though, hahahaha. If I can't though, I'll just go with the original plan of the 4870 1gb.

[YukonTrooper]

One question though, does anyone know/think if this card will "need" PCI-Express 2.0? I'm still using a AB9 QuadGT, p965 chipset.

No one really has an answer for this, but there is no reason you can't sell your current board and upgrade to an affordable P45 based board. That's what I'm doing, and I'll only be running an HD4870. There are hardly any articles out there that compare single card results on PCI-e 1.0/1.1 vs PCI-e 2.0, but I read one where the 9800GX2 started to get choked at 1920X1200+ resolution with AA/AF, but only on certain games.

[annihilat0r]

I see. Actually I'm pissed of at my 226BW as well, I wanna get a Xbox360 but the scaling issues deterred me from it. Which monitor are you planning to get?

[YukonTrooper]

Take a look at the BenQ G2400W. It's only a TN panel, but for a TN panel it has good color and black levels. Considering you're coming from a TN panel, it shouldn't be that big of a deal anyways. The selling points are low input lag, 1:1 pixel mapping, and cheap price.

It's hard to find a good 24" MVA/PVA monitor right now. You could get a good IPS panel, but it's going to cost ya.

[Soultaker52]

Take a look at the BenQ G2400W. It's only a TN panel, but for a TN panel it has good color and black levels. Considering you're coming from a TN panel, it shouldn't be that big of a deal anyways. The selling points are low input lag, 1:1 pixel mapping, and cheap price.

It's hard to find a good 24" MVA/PVA monitor right now. You could get a good IPS panel, but it's going to cost ya.

That's the exact one I was looking at. I've only heard good things about it compared to all of the others around the same price.
Meh, I'll probably end up going with the 4870 1gb as first planned. Might as well wait for a 2nd gen with fixed microstudder, just to make sure ALL of the issues we haven't found yet, are ironed out. =P
Either way, it's awesome that they've more or less fixed it. We'll need some more tests to be absolutely sure, but I'm liking the looks of it so far. Too bad it's out of my logical price range. I need a better job!

[generics_user]

hyundai w241d is my 24" monitor

it has alot of connectors and supports 1080p over component

currently my laptop (vga), pc (dvi) x360 (component) and PS3 are connected to this beauty

input lag is tolerable (no difference in css between older tn panel and new va one!)


you really have to take a look into scaling options, this mon has 1:1, aspect ratio and full option on all connectors, some monitors provide this on dvi only

[NapalmV5]

Good news! I can confirm that based on my own tests microstuttering is gone on R700!

I've tested with R700 (ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2) and R680 (ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2) in Crysis (1600x1200 and High settings). I used Fraps and enabled Frametimes logging. I recorded 2 seconds from exactly the same point in game (loaded from save game). Based on my recorded data, with ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 frames are rendered after ~21,5 and every other frame after ~49,5 ms. With ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 all framres are rendered after ~ 21,9 ms.

More coming soon, now I have to go and attend beachsoccer tournament!

what about 2 x 4870 X2 ?

[annihilat0r]

^ I don't think that will be necessary. For anyone.

[Chickenfeed]

Outside of 2560x1600, 2 X2s would be complete overkill 99% of the time. Sure if you want to use maximum amounts of anti aliasing at lower resolutions, you could still leverage some of this extra horse power but it would come at a high price of course. I doubt gains would be that substantial even at 1920x1200. Then again most people who'd spend $1400 or so on gpus and a power supply alone probably can manage to afford a 30" LCD.

[adamsleath]

im already running assassins creed at 1920 x 1440
& grid @ 1600x1200 8XCSAA,
but will this x2 run empire total war with 10000 soldiers @ 1920x1200 8xAA @ good fps?

[Anth Seebel]

Hoping this means 55nm GTX280 will be out sooner. At least GTX280's will be more realistically priced after 4870x2 release. Around 4 weeks and it should be here.

[ToTTenTranz]

They can put 4*HD4870X2 in a PC, any board can do that as long as it has 4 PCIe 16x connectors (and they have to change the cooling for watercooling blocks).. But they can't be crossfired because they only have one crossfire connector.

[Skinner]

Sampsa go into the shower, clear that hangover and tell us it have better fps in Crysis Vh then regular CF

[Logos]

I've just had a post removed in this thread and on this page, relating an AMD interview in India. Any reason to that ? Was there a problem with the site I linked to (link to the Indian site was found on Vrzone today...)

http://www.techtree.com/India/News/E...90984-579.html

[YMAA]

They can put 4*HD4870X2 in a PC, any board can do that as long as it has 4 PCIe 16x connectors (and they have to change the cooling for watercooling blocks).. But they can't be crossfired because they only have one crossfire connector.

Unless ATI makes a Crossfire bridge with 4 connectors...