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    Yes, I am talking about CPU core temperature difference between Everest and RealTemp.

    I have similar high NB temperature at ~60C under benchmarking. However I set my NB voltage at 1.53V. The NB voltage setting depends on the PL level you select. Mine is PL10 with FSB=496MHz. I found this configuration to be quite stable (though I tried PL9 at one time and it is fine too).

    An excellent NB voltage vs. performance article can be found at http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3208&p=5

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    Can someone tell me if I can use two different video card in this board?
    I want to hook up my 9800GTX to windows via D-sub, and a different series Nvidia card or an ATI card to Mac OS via DVI.
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    I've been reading that memtest gives errors on the X48 regardless of what RAM you use
    Those guys are doing something wrong. There are so many settings on this board . . .

    I was much more impressed with memtest86+ v2.01. This is the one from http://www.memtest.org/. The one from memtest.com is memtest86 v3.4 (notice there is no plus sign). memtest86 v3.4 had my CPU listed as pentiumIII. That shows you when the last time they updated it was.

    Anyway. I figured out my problem. It was from a Saitek back lit keyboard being plugged into a Dtek USB hub . The problem is reproducible. I need to do some more testing, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the Rampage or the RAM or the E8400 (so sad, I was hoping for a chance to RMA cause 3.9Ghz at 1.4v sucks).

    This FAQ was very helpful in figuring out my problem, especially the part about getting rid of all unecessary components. You'd think common sense would have told me to do this, but it didn't. http://forum.x86-secret.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14 If you have any questions about memtest86+, this is the place to go. The guys seem very dedicated to solving any problems that may occur.

    The good things about this whole ordeal is that I really got to learn about the settings on the board. "DRAM controller reference voltage" still alludes me as well as the GTL settings. I haven't messed with them yet.

    On a side note- I realized that the power connector for the CPU has a cap over half of it. I originally had a four pin PSU connector plugged into it. Tonight, I took the cap off and plugged in the eight pin connector. The difference is two more yellow (+12v) wires. Could this make a difference in anything? Is this for quad cores maybe? Maybe I can get some more out of my E8400.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickpatbrown View Post

    On a side note- I realized that the power connector for the CPU has a cap over half of it. I originally had a four pin PSU connector plugged into it. Tonight, I took the cap off and plugged in the eight pin connector. The difference is two more yellow (+12v) wires. Could this make a difference in anything? Is this for quad cores maybe? Maybe I can get some more out of my E8400.
    yer gonna find that things will run much better useing the eight pin connectors as i have the same psu on both my R/F MoBo's & have not had the problems some have had ,I've been useing the 8 pin all along on both builds , get back to us on what u fibd out

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxvengeor View Post
    No. With the load calibration enabled if i put 2.20 i had 2.20
    Load Line Calibration only refers to the CPU voltage, no other voltage IIRC.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinhow View Post
    Everest tends to report much higher core temperature than RealTemp and SpeedFan. In Everest, my core is ~71 C under load and RealTemp reports ~65 C. I recalled that these two programs use different thermal constant to calculate core temperature. I think the general consensus is that RealTemp is the more accurate one.
    From my understanding, all Core 2 CPUs Tj Max is 95C. I believe Everest and Real Temp uses 105C as the Tj Max. If you look at Core Temp, you'll see that the program now lists the Tj Max for Core 2's as 95C

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinhow View Post
    Yes, I am talking about CPU core temperature difference between Everest and RealTemp.
    Noted above.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexlyc View Post
    Can someone tell me if I can use two different video card in this board?
    I want to hook up my 9800GTX to windows via D-sub, and a different series Nvidia card or an ATI card to Mac OS via DVI.
    I believe you can depending on the OS. Best way to find out is by testing it... if you can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickpatbrown View Post
    Those guys are doing something wrong. There are so many settings on this board . . .

    I was much more impressed with memtest86+ v2.01. This is the one from http://www.memtest.org/. The one from memtest.com is memtest86 v3.4 (notice there is no plus sign). memtest86 v3.4 had my CPU listed as pentiumIII. That shows you when the last time they updated it was.

    Anyway. I figured out my problem. It was from a Saitek back lit keyboard being plugged into a Dtek USB hub . The problem is reproducible. I need to do some more testing, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the Rampage or the RAM or the E8400 (so sad, I was hoping for a chance to RMA cause 3.9Ghz at 1.4v sucks).

    This FAQ was very helpful in figuring out my problem, especially the part about getting rid of all unecessary components. You'd think common sense would have told me to do this, but it didn't. http://forum.x86-secret.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14 If you have any questions about memtest86+, this is the place to go. The guys seem very dedicated to solving any problems that may occur.

    The good things about this whole ordeal is that I really got to learn about the settings on the board. "DRAM controller reference voltage" still alludes me as well as the GTL settings. I haven't messed with them yet.

    On a side note- I realized that the power connector for the CPU has a cap over half of it. I originally had a four pin PSU connector plugged into it. Tonight, I took the cap off and plugged in the eight pin connector. The difference is two more yellow (+12v) wires. Could this make a difference in anything? Is this for quad cores maybe? Maybe I can get some more out of my E8400.
    As far as my experience has gone, USB hubs always seem to give users more issues. As far as the 4 pin and 8 pin CPU power connector. The 8 pin power connector is there for CPUs that are rated for 130 WATT use such as the Intel Extreme Edition CPUs. Although, it won't hurt to have it utilized when using a non extreme edition CPU. If anything, it might help with stability.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurasianman View Post
    Load Line Calibration only refers to the CPU voltage, no other voltage IIRC.


    From my understanding, all Core 2 CPUs Tj Max is 95C. I believe Everest and Real Temp uses 105C as the Tj Max. If you look at Core Temp, you'll see that the program now lists the Tj Max for Core 2's as 95C


    Noted above.


    I believe you can depending on the OS. Best way to find out is by testing it... if you can.


    As far as my experience has gone, USB hubs always seem to give users more issues. As far as the 4 pin and 8 pin CPU power connector. The 8 pin power connector is there for CPUs that are rated for 130 WATT use such as the Intel Extreme Edition CPUs. Although, it won't hurt to have it utilized when using a non extreme edition CPU. If anything, it might help with stability.
    BTW, realtemp tj max is 95 its coretemp that has tj max at 105.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurasianman View Post
    As far as the 4 pin and 8 pin CPU power connector. The 8 pin power connector is there for CPUs that are rated for 130 WATT use such as the Intel Extreme Edition CPUs. Although, it won't hurt to have it utilized when using a non extreme edition CPU. If anything, it might help with stability.
    This seems especially true when driving the voltages higher than spec...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurasianman View Post
    As far as the 4 pin and 8 pin CPU power connector. The 8 pin power connector is there for CPUs that are rated for 130 WATT use such as the Intel Extreme Edition CPUs. Although, it won't hurt to have it utilized when using a non extreme edition CPU. If anything, it might help with stability.
    as most of just about everyone who buys the R/F MoBo is doing O/C'ing & putting their systems into the realm of the Intel QX9xxx Xtreme chips anyway & is on this Xtreme Systems Forum for that reason .

    The Asus Rampage Formula is made for the Xtreme use of your CPU .

    YOU would be wise to use the 8 pin power connector ,
    use a highend psu that has a clean stable 12 volt power single rail rated in the stabilty of 80%+ range of ripple free 12volts & a deadedcated 8 pin connector
    use proven memory for the X48 chipset,

    alot of reported instabitly of this MoBo by persons has been due to the above reasons of ppl Not having the above !
    as some ppl have no problems at all while other ppl have problems from the get go!

    all this is " I M H O " as it's your MoBo do as you want .
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    a follow-up to my X48 chipset water block mod for the MPC-X38 -DD block (no longer sold , you now have to use the DD universal X38) , i have recieved the
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    Danger Den MPC- 975X chipset block/with the BRASS TOP option
    \ >> It is the SAME basic block as the DD MPC -X38 chipset block with the BRASS TOP option(no longer sold) / except the holes in this thin plexi hold down are set for the Intel 975x chip set >> my mod of the X38 thin plexi hold down will work for this block also
    this is I M H O a great block that is a high flow / high heat transfer , water block that can , with this mod use all of the 4 holes in the R/P MoBo 's PCB to hold down this block firmly & squarely on the X48 chipset
    all other blocks in the market at the moment(that I know of) only use 2 screws to hold the chipset on the R/F X48 chipset & some (ie; EK,DD Universal ) don't fit squarley on the X48 & use slider type holes to hold the block on to the chipset

    i'll do some pix of the different blocks & show how easy this mod really is

    I'll also be doing a BRASS hold down mod (for both of my R/F MoBo's)
    as i have now in my hands some thick brass stock that will replace the thin plexi hold down on both of the out dated MPC-X38 & the new Intel 975X water blocks to fit the X48 Rampage Formula
    this 4 hole / 4 screw == Brass mod will replace the plexi hold down with a Blinged Uppped Brass Polished custom fit for this Kick-Ass water block
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    Excuse my english and my little knowledge on O/C matters.
    This is my first post...

    Does anyone has a Rampage Formula with Q9300 on it?
    I am very new to O/C (2 weeks student) and I am trying to do a start.
    Is it possible for someone with similar PC configuration to post his BIOS settings in order for me to have something to depend on...

    My PC configuration
    - Case: Cosmos S
    - M/B: Asus Rampage formula (403)
    - CPU: Q9300
    - CPU Coller: Scyth Ninja (AIR)
    - Memory: Transcent AXE (1066, 5-5-5-15)
    - GPU: Shapphire 3870X2
    - HD: 2x Raptor 76GB (RAID 0)
    - OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

    Any help for my begining is really appreciated...
    Thanks in advance.

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    I would read over the overclocking guide in the forum somewhere. Post VID, what are you trying to overclock to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimpoeng View Post
    Excuse my english and my little knowledge on O/C matters.
    This is my first post...

    Does anyone has a Rampage Formula with Q9300 on it?
    I am very new to O/C (2 weeks student) and I am trying to do a start.
    Is it possible for someone with similar PC configuration to post his BIOS settings in order for me to have something to depend on...

    My PC configuration
    - Case: Cosmos S
    - M/B: Asus Rampage formula (403)
    - CPU: Q9300
    - CPU Coller: Scyth Ninja (AIR)
    - Memory: Transcent AXE (1066, 5-5-5-15)
    - GPU: Shapphire 3870X2
    - HD: 2x Raptor 76GB (RAID 0)
    - OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64

    Any help for my begining is really appreciated...
    Thanks in advance.
    try these to start
    AI o/c tuner ; manuel
    CPU level up ; set @ qx9770
    fsb feq ; 400
    PCIE feq ; 100
    DRAM feq ; 1003 use what you memory is rated at ( u might have to boot twice to get this up)mine is ddr1000 if yours is ddr1066 use that )
    DRAM ; manuel & if the bios don't set the timings ,then set them are per specs of your memory ( mine are 5-5-5-15)
    comand rate ; 2T
    AI twister ; moderate
    everything else set on AUTO & i do mean everything
    use this as a start point & see what ya get from there u can screw with voltages

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigslappy View Post
    try these to start
    AI o/c tuner ; manuel
    CPU level up ; set @ qx9770
    fsb feq ; 400
    PCIE feq ; 100
    DRAM feq ; 1003 use what you memory is rated at ( u might have to boot twice to get this up)mine is ddr1000 if yours is ddr1066 use that )
    DRAM ; manuel & if the bios don't set the timings ,then set them are per specs of your memory ( mine are 5-5-5-15)
    comand rate ; 2T
    AI twister ; moderate
    everything else set on AUTO & i do mean everything
    use this as a start point & see what ya get from there u can screw with voltages

    Thank you very much bigslappy.

    What about the voltages (CPU, NB, SB)?
    Do I have to set them at the lowest prices shown in the manual ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimpoeng View Post
    Thank you very much bigslappy.

    What about the voltages (CPU, NB, SB)?
    Do I have to set them at the lowest prices shown in the manual ?
    see what u get with the above setting & go slow upping voltages as u go check yer O/C with Prime95 on blend keep notes so u can go back to what u set that worked

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    Memtest86+ only gives errors on X48 when your timings are out of whack between mch & ram, or ram / mch clocks even a little out of sync at higher fsbs. IF you are getting errors I've found the solution is to tweak the dram clock skews, and lower the common Performance Level by 1 sometimes 2, then fine tune it by enabling or disabling Phase Pull In for mch/dram clock phases. As far as my understanding goes based on trial and error, this allows u to set Read Delay very finely for MCH-DRAM and DRAM-MCH clock signalling. It can be used to compensate for either side being somewhat out of skew, above 450 fsb , PL < 9 and > 333mhz AGTL+ reference clock (fsb strap) this is very useful. Even slightly out of sync MCH-DRAM/AGTL+ clocking phases above 450 fsb seem to wreak all kinds of havoc with quad cores.

    RF does need more flexible CPU GTL Reference adjustment, it's a major hindrance to fine tuning the FSB. The fixed ratio adjustments do help to a point, but there are large FSB holes at 400+ mhz that even these can't fix. Between 450 - 470 FSB lies a large hole which can only be explored with a very high relative AGTL+ reference voltage. Too much ground/power bounce going out of reasonable boundaries. At 500mhz FSB there lies another decent size hole.

    I've been trying to get CPU clocks to sync correctly with MCH clocks at 495mhz FSB (333mhz agtl ref.)at 7x multi on my Q6600 G0, boots fine, runs fine too, until you heavily load the CPU with the likes of Prime or Linpack then within 10-15 seconds complete system freeze, not even a BSOD, requires full power cycle and the LCD poster continues displaying the last display until you boot again. If RTC is locking like that, the only conclusion I can muster up is massive clock synching difference that even a high CPU Phase Loop Lock voltage fails to contain. I pushed PLL upto 1.8v or so which did improve the situation somewhat, but that is kind of going beyond normal bounds. Might just be a symptom of the CPU also. It loves high FSB's but not high clocks, will get around to playing with a penryn some day.

    I'll try find some more time this weekend to further look into it. Adjust one or two settings, test, rinse and repeat. I've had some very interesting results and conclusions to say the least.
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    Hi. I've been reading through this whole thread and while I've learned an awful lot, I feel that I'm still lacking the knowledge I need for a establishing a stable overclock on my system (seen in my sig)

    I've been seeing such varying voltage settings for what I perceive to be similar set ups that I'm getting a bit confused.

    I'm wondering if someone could point me to a guide that provides some detailed descriptions of what each voltage setting will effect in my overclock and what ranges would be reasonable for my setup, I'd really appreciate it. I've tried a couple things and I've not really had what I would call success.



    I'm hoping for what I consider reachable with my components: 533MHz FSB x7.5 multi at 1:1 for 1066 memory



    My CPU is under water with a D-Tek Fusion in a single block loop with a PA120.3.

    My NB and GPU are under water with an EK on the NB and a DD on the 8800GTX and that's flowing through an Innovatek Konvekt-o-matic Ultra with a crossflow fan cooling it.


    I'm not looking for all of the answers to be spoonfed (although that would be great too), I'm willing to read, read and read even more. I'm just finding it difficult to navigate many of the settings on the Extreme Tweaker menu of the BIOS ie:

    • DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B
    • Ai Clock Twister
    • Ai Transaction Booster
    • Performance Level
    • CPU PLL Voltage
    • SB 1.50 Voltage (why are there two SB voltage controls?)
    • Has the LLC debate ever been resolved? Should I enable or disable? I have 4B pencil lead on the indicated cap for vDroop mod but, I'm not 100% sure why.
    • Should I disable both Spread Spectrum?





    I know to disable everything on the CPU Configuration screen and I've read Graysky's Guide HERE and it explained a lot. But, his guide doesn't touch on any of the Memory Timing tweaks that I've seen mentioned in this thread and his BIOS screens don't mention many of the settings I've indicated above.

    As I've said, I'm not looking for the magic wand solution, I'd just like to be pointed in the right direction for decoding some of these settings that still remain puzzling for me.



    Huge thanks to all that have posted their information thus far. I'm definitely learning a lot from the posts.

    Even bigger thanks to those who can help me further. I'm looking forward to learning more.
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    Wow, I think this is probably the stupidest question ever but here it goes...

    Also, this is assuming the person in the post above me is running all SATA drives...

    How can you run 7 HD's when the Rampage only has 6 SATA ports?

    If one of the drives is IDE, then completely disregard this question...
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    Well, since no one else said anything, and I'm feeling like an idiot, you must be pretty slow to get lapped by an inanimate object such as your q6600....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartigan View Post
    I'm not looking for all of the answers to be spoonfed (although that would be great too), I'm willing to read, read and read even more. I'm just finding it difficult to navigate many of the settings on the Extreme Tweaker menu of the BIOS ie:

    • DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B
    • Ai Clock Twister
    • Ai Transaction Booster
    • Performance Level
    • CPU PLL Voltage
    • SB 1.50 Voltage (why are there two SB voltage controls?)
    • Has the LLC debate ever been resolved? Should I enable or disable? I have 4B pencil lead on the indicated cap for vDroop mod but, I'm not 100% sure why.
    • Should I disable both Spread Spectrum?
    Here's what information I can give you based on experience/intel chipset documentation reading.

    DRAM CLK (Clock) Skew Channel A/B

    No trace lengths on boards are ever perfect, this gives delay ( - ) and advance ( - ) adjustment in PS (picaseconds) for Memory clock signals on both Channel A/B, ie. dimm A1 / B1 would make up one Dual Channel set. Trace lengths will vary within a tolerance from board to board, but usually Channel B will need a bit more adjustment than A since its farther from the MCH. Advance or Delay depends on your particular board, it can be either really. As you increase DRAM frequency, there becomes a smaller frame where the clock signals have to be in phase with each other.

    Ascii square wave example.

    |__|--|__| <--- Channel A Clock Signal on Board X
    _|--|__|-- <--- Channel B Clock Signal on Board X

    Any command MCH sends, will be received at Channel B 1/2 a clock later, so when memory sends data back to MCH, Channel A data will arrive before Channel B. In a small window at high frequency, that 1/2 a clock might be longer than the MCH can wait for data to return. In that situation MCH will either re-request data or forward incomplete memory request to CPU. If this data held an address pointer to another location in memory, the CPU may send a request to write data at the incomplete or damaged memory address, and then you have get anything from scrambled return data to system crash if for example this damaged pointer address happened to fall inside another applications private memory area.

    Skew adjustment allows u to make some corrections to this, to improve stability at tighter timings / higher clocks / higher fsb.

    DRAM CMD (command) Skew Channel A/B (when CMD Rate is set to 1N you can access these)
    Basically similar to clock skew adjustment, but extra fine adjustment to timing of commands for channel A/B on top of clock skew adjustments. As FSB speed is raised, MCH clocks may become too far ahead or far behind DRAM clocks, and as such commands to DRAM may be sent too early or too late. This allows one to delay or advance Command timings for either channel.

    Performance Level (tRD MCH)
    Performance Level is basically Read Delay for CPU/MCH & MCH/DRAM. On either side of MCH there will be a difference between clock signal timing. Lower Read Delay (0 -> PL, ie approaching 0, (n < n + 1) where n is lower read delay, n + 1 is higher) defines smaller window of latency for point A to B or B to C, Higher Read Delay ( PL -> n, IE approaching n which is a positive integer ( n > n - 1) where [n - 1] is lower read delay, and n is higher read delay) defines larger window of latency for command / return data. Lower RD (PL) means higher memory bandwidth, higher RD means lower memory bandwidth. Reason being with lower latency Read Delay more data can be throughput per clock cycle. Lower RD also makes MCH work alot harder and require more voltage to switch between power (+) and ground (-) to raise clock signal then switch to ground to terminate it, this makes your basic square wave on AGTL+.

    CPU PLL (Phase Loop Lock)
    Voltage overhead above CPU vCore used to keep CPU/FSB clock signals in phase (alignment), it's somewhat of a vCore burst / spike limit to put it simply, it comes into play under sudden load/throttling conditions. Rampage uses by default CPU PLL Voltage 125% of vCore, 1.50v. Higher PLL voltage allows CPU to momentarily overshoot voltage to correct clock phases, but from what I understand this is exactly why Intel warns not to use too high of PLL voltage as it may damage or fry a CPU.

    SB 1.5V ref voltage.
    Simply a reference voltage which all southbridge based clock signals are based on. PCI/PCI-E/IDE/SATA/etc.

    CPU / PCI-E spread spectrum.
    According to what I've read from Intel docs, these basically take a mean frequency across associated clock frequencies and use as reference for. I personally disable both as they affect RTC/PCI-E/CPU address/CPU data clocks which can make an OC very unstable.

    AI Transaction Booster
    Auto intelligently adjusts PL / phase. Manual you can set PL / phase on Ch. A/B. Total phases = DRAM + AGTL Boot Clock Divider (FSB STRAP Divider ie. 1:1, 5:4). Pull in phase gives you fine control of read delay (PL) for each active phase on Ch. A/B. Consider this fine tuning of Read Delay on each Clock phase. Common performance level is the base level, for read delay from CPU and to DRAM.

    AI Clock Twister
    Intelligently adjusts timings tighter/looser to get most throughput per clock based on current PL and timings between DRAM and MCH. As far as I understand this is based on the chipsets previous adjustments / learned values as far as timing / clock / cmd skews goes. For stronger it tunes based on minimal window of latency, for lighter in maximal window of latency. I find strong is very good, stronger if you have excellent RAM dimms that can take a low PL, high frequency, timings, etc. Stronger will turn up memory errors in large amounts in Memtest86+ if even some mem chips can't handle the tighter timing set.

    Like i said this is part experience / part tech docs. This is pretty much as much as I can tell you, hope it helps. Anybody else feel free to correct / add their own knowledge of these to this. I'd like to know more myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. HT View Post
    Wow, I think this is probably the stupidest question ever but here it goes...

    Also, this is assuming the person in the post above me is running all SATA drives...

    How can you run 7 HD's when the Rampage only has 6 SATA ports?

    If one of the drives is IDE, then completely disregard this question...
    I'm using a HighPoint SATA Raid Card as well. Just didn't feel the need to list it. It's running my two 500GB drives because they're "DATA" drives and I want to have the ability to move them from PC to PC when I upgrade so I don't have to worry about what controller is on the motherboard I would be potentially moving to.


    Mikeyakame: Thank you TONS for the reply. I'll be back with questions, I'm sure. I just need time to read, digest and test out all of the information you've provided.

    In addition to all of the great information you've provided, I guess I'm also looking for how each of the settings would benefit my o/c one way or the other. For example, how to I diagnose whether or not bumping a setting one way or another is going to be the thing I need in order to fix my lack of stability.

    IE: What feedback, in terms of instability, would I get that would tell me, "Hey, you need to bump your CLK Skew down one ps or up one ps."?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyakame View Post
    CPU / PCI-E spread spectrum.
    According to what I've read from Intel docs, these basically take a mean frequency across associated clock frequencies and use as reference for. I personally disable both as they affect RTC/PCI-E/CPU address/CPU data clocks which can make an OC very unstable.
    This is not well explained
    Normally the clocks are pure single frequency signals with very low sideband noise.
    On a spectrum scope they appear as a vertical line very thin and clean. As on spectrum scopes monitor the X-axis represents frequency and the Y-axis signal's voltage, a very high and clean vertical line means a clean and powerfull clock signal on a single frequency.

    This is the best clock that enables the digital components to work at their best.

    Unfortunately this very clean and high signal could overcome the limits written in FCC and EC rules about EMC. If this occurs, the system can not obtain the FCC/EC mark and can not be sold.

    As these rules measure the EMC level with a quasi-peak filter, it is better to use a clock not so clean. In the spectrum scope it will be no more a vertical line, but a very thin gaussian curve. It means that all the energy of clock is not on one frequency, but is spread a little around the central frequency of signal.

    This is very easily done by modulating in frequency the clock signal.

    This trick fools the quasi-peak detector of receiver used to test the EMC and, even if not perfect, allows the normal working of the device.

    As in normal offices or houses environments the EMC is not so important, it is better to disable the spread spectrum of clocks to have the best performances in overclock.

    I hope I have explained a little this difficult argument
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    Ok. I figured there was some simple solution that I was ignorant about but thanks for responding to my stupidity...
    Quote Originally Posted by crazyea View Post
    Well, since no one else said anything, and I'm feeling like an idiot, you must be pretty slow to get lapped by an inanimate object such as your q6600....

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    Here is my first try to O/C my Q9300 with the Rampage formula (as I said some posts above I am only 2 weeks student, don't be harsh).

    I uploaded to rapidshare some screenshots from AsusProbe, GPUZ, CPCZ, coreTemp, RealTemp) and please I need your help to make it safe/better/stable ...

    RapidShare.com Link:
    http://rapidshare.com/files/12894067...__1st_try_.rar

    - What do u think about the 3 different temps I have (AsusProbe, RealTemp, CoreTemp)? The difference in metrics is quit big...what should I consider accurate?
    - Why my NB and SB look red in the Probe? How can I reduce their temps? What should be ok for SB and NB temps and voltages?
    - Why coreTemp shows temp only for 2/4 of CPUs? Is there any problem?
    - What are your suggestions about everything (how to configure voltages, memory, BIOS, etc).

    I USE AIR COOLING...
    The voltages are set to auto...

    Excuse my amature questions, i still have a lot to learn...

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    Brama and Mikeyakame-

    Thank you for taking to time to explain some of these things. It is so had to find information about all these settings. I'm guessing that you guys have some formal education in this stuff? The problem is that the explanations that I can understand don't tell me what I want to know. The articles that tell me what I want to know are way over my head.

    It is also very difficult because this stuff is so spread out over the web.

    I guess the easiest thing would be for me to eat your brain . . .mmmmmmmm, brains.

    (smiley added to not freak you out )
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimpoeng View Post
    Here is my first try to O/C my Q9300 with the Rampage formula (as I said some posts above I am only 2 weeks student, don't be harsh).

    I uploaded to rapidshare some screenshots from AsusProbe, GPUZ, CPCZ, coreTemp, RealTemp) and please I need your help to make it safe/better/stable ...

    RapidShare.com Link:
    http://rapidshare.com/files/12894067...__1st_try_.rar

    - What do u think about the 3 different temps I have (AsusProbe, RealTemp, CoreTemp)? The difference in metrics is quit big...what should I consider accurate?
    - Why my NB and SB look red in the Probe? How can I reduce their temps? What should be ok for SB and NB temps and voltages?
    - Why coreTemp shows temp only for 2/4 of CPUs? Is there any problem?
    - What are your suggestions about everything (how to configure voltages, memory, BIOS, etc).

    I USE AIR COOLING...
    The voltages are set to auto...

    Excuse my amature questions, i still have a lot to learn...
    RealTemp is proven to be the best That Asus software is Sh*tware most of delete it or never load it & use Everest, HW monitor , real temp ,prime95
    post yer clock you got .i'd want to buy that rapid share s/w
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