X48 Rampage Formula Preview.

[foxvengeor]

First sorry for my bad english (french schools :p)

I have a rampage formula bios 0406 with a X3360 xeon CPU
Corsair pc8500 ram 2x1go dominator
The xeon cooling was a : Thermalright 120 Xtreme with a papst PWM

I was before on a crucial pc8500 8FE5 memory and it was very unstable and i changed for these corsairs

- ALL CPU tests Rockstable , OCCT CPU one hour



But memtest on windows and OCCT ram very unstable , crash in less of 1 min...



Also memtest with a boot cd was stable :



My temperatures was ok :




I want to have my FSB450 in windows with strap 333 and 1071 mhz for the memory... But can't.

It was stable at FSB 445 , STRAP 400 , 1:1 with 1.51V vNB (very poor performances... 7239mb/s in everest read test)
FSB 445 , Strap 333 12:10 Unstable at 1.65vNB
FSB 450 , strap 400 , 1:1 : Stable only at 1.73 vNB !!!! and of course strap 333 always unstable



Noyau CPU 1.34 V
+3.3 V 3.28 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Mise en veille +5 V 4.97 V
FSB VTT 1.25 V
Noyau North Bridge 1.51 V
Noyau South Bridge 1.06 V
South Bridge PLL 1.52 V
DIMM 2.20 V
DIMM VTT 1.14 V


Memory :
CAS Latency (CL) 5T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 5T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 5T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 15T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 60T
Command Rate (CR) 2T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD) 4T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 14T
Read To Read Delay (tRTR) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Write Delay (tRTW) 8T
Write To Read Delay (tWTR) Same Rank: 11T, Different Rank: 5T
Write To Write Delay (tWTW) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP) 5T
Write To Precharge Delay (tWTP) 14T
Precharge To Precharge Delay (tPTP) 1T
Refresh Period (tREF) 3120T
DRAM Read ODT 3T
DRAM Write ODT 6T
MCH Read ODT 8T
Performance Level 14
Read Delay Phase Adjust Neutral
DIMM1 Clock Fine Delay 8T
DIMM2 Clock Fine Delay 4T
DIMM3 Clock Fine Delay 8T
DIMM4 Clock Fine Delay 4T

What can i try? Change a paramater in my BIOS ? Or My ram? (corsairs bad with x48? Must i buy adata pc9600?) ? Or an issue with ma rampage and a should i do a RMA?

[bigslappy]

First sorry for my bad english (french schools :p)

I have a rampage formula bios 0406 with a X3360 xeon CPU
Corsair pc8500 ram 2x1go dominator
The xeon cooling was a : Thermalright 120 Xtreme with a papst PWM

I was before on a crucial pc8500 8FE5 memory and it was very unstable and i changed for these corsairs

- ALL CPU tests Rockstable , OCCT CPU one hour



But memtest on windows and OCCT ram very unstable , crash in less of 1 min...



Also memtest with a boot cd was stable :



My temperatures was ok :




I want to have my FSB450 in windows with strap 333 and 1071 mhz for the memory... But can't.

It was stable at FSB 445 , STRAP 400 , 1:1 with 1.51V vNB (very poor performances... 7239mb/s in everest read test)
FSB 445 , Strap 333 12:10 Unstable at 1.65vNB
FSB 450 , strap 400 , 1:1 : Stable only at 1.73 vNB !!!! and of course strap 333 always unstable



Noyau CPU 1.34 V
+3.3 V 3.28 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Mise en veille +5 V 4.97 V
FSB VTT 1.25 V
Noyau North Bridge 1.51 V
Noyau South Bridge 1.06 V
South Bridge PLL 1.52 V
DIMM 2.20 V
DIMM VTT 1.14 V


Memory :
CAS Latency (CL) 5T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 5T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 5T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 15T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 60T
Command Rate (CR) 2T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD) 4T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 14T
Read To Read Delay (tRTR) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Write Delay (tRTW) 8T
Write To Read Delay (tWTR) Same Rank: 11T, Different Rank: 5T
Write To Write Delay (tWTW) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP) 5T
Write To Precharge Delay (tWTP) 14T
Precharge To Precharge Delay (tPTP) 1T
Refresh Period (tREF) 3120T
DRAM Read ODT 3T
DRAM Write ODT 6T
MCH Read ODT 8T
Performance Level 14
Read Delay Phase Adjust Neutral
DIMM1 Clock Fine Delay 8T
DIMM2 Clock Fine Delay 4T
DIMM3 Clock Fine Delay 8T
DIMM4 Clock Fine Delay 4T

What can i try? Change a paramater in my BIOS ? Or My ram? (corsairs bad with x48? Must i buy adata pc9600?) ? Or an issue with ma rampage and a should i do a RMA?

G.Skills work best with this MoBo look at the other systems & you will see that alot people are using them

[Shadowthor]

+1 for the G. Skills.

[foxvengeor]

ok i will try to echange my corsairs with gskills... PC8500 PI or PK series?

[mikeyakame]

after 24 hours of playing around I got my rampage running stable at 490mhz FSB with my q6600 g0 , 7x multi, 3.43ghz, 1.424v vcore real, bios = 1.43875. anything above 450fsb takes a little bit of work to get stable. i found the most important things were NB voltage, DRAM clock skews, GTL voltage, NB/CPU ref, AI clock twister, and the secondary memory timings also play somewhat of a role. RFC = 60 works great for me with my Geil 2x2gb. I found PL 9 is adequate when using 333 strap, its timings are pretty tight as is. 333 strap doesnt like high FSB VTT. 490 runs happily with 1.32v fsb vtt and 1.53v NB, NB ref 0.56x or 0.60x, CPU gtl ref 0.63x, CPU PLL = 1.58v. DRAM skews, Channel A = +200ps, Channel B = +350ps. Setting up these skews correctly made going above 450fsb a breeze with 333 strap.

[Eurasianman]

First sorry for my bad english (french schools :p)

I have a rampage formula bios 0406 with a X3360 xeon CPU
Corsair pc8500 ram 2x1go dominator
The xeon cooling was a : Thermalright 120 Xtreme with a papst PWM

I was before on a crucial pc8500 8FE5 memory and it was very unstable and i changed for these corsairs

- ALL CPU tests Rockstable , OCCT CPU one hour



But memtest on windows and OCCT ram very unstable , crash in less of 1 min...



Also memtest with a boot cd was stable :



My temperatures was ok :




I want to have my FSB450 in windows with strap 333 and 1071 mhz for the memory... But can't.

It was stable at FSB 445 , STRAP 400 , 1:1 with 1.51V vNB (very poor performances... 7239mb/s in everest read test)
FSB 445 , Strap 333 12:10 Unstable at 1.65vNB
FSB 450 , strap 400 , 1:1 : Stable only at 1.73 vNB !!!! and of course strap 333 always unstable



Noyau CPU 1.34 V
+3.3 V 3.28 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Mise en veille +5 V 4.97 V
FSB VTT 1.25 V
Noyau North Bridge 1.51 V
Noyau South Bridge 1.06 V
South Bridge PLL 1.52 V
DIMM 2.20 V
DIMM VTT 1.14 V


Memory :
CAS Latency (CL) 5T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 5T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 5T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 15T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 60T
Command Rate (CR) 2T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD) 4T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 14T
Read To Read Delay (tRTR) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Write Delay (tRTW) 8T
Write To Read Delay (tWTR) Same Rank: 11T, Different Rank: 5T
Write To Write Delay (tWTW) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP) 5T
Write To Precharge Delay (tWTP) 14T
Precharge To Precharge Delay (tPTP) 1T
Refresh Period (tREF) 3120T
DRAM Read ODT 3T
DRAM Write ODT 6T
MCH Read ODT 8T
Performance Level 14
Read Delay Phase Adjust Neutral
DIMM1 Clock Fine Delay 8T
DIMM2 Clock Fine Delay 4T
DIMM3 Clock Fine Delay 8T
DIMM4 Clock Fine Delay 4T

What can i try? Change a paramater in my BIOS ? Or My ram? (corsairs bad with x48? Must i buy adata pc9600?) ? Or an issue with ma rampage and a should i do a RMA?

Just so you know, 70C is way too hot for that CPU! Especially if you have a Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme. I'm not sure whether that's idle temps or load temps (I'm hoping that's load temps), but your CPU temps are way too high.

As well as I don't think it's safe to be running more than 1.45V on the NB, if I remember correctly.

[foxvengeor]

It's the load temp. The Fan was auto regulated by the motherboard ! at 72° ! Because my papst PWM can go to 3000 RPM and when i'm on full load he is at 1600 RPM only... It's Qfan... . I had the same temp @stock but the fan was at 1100RPM max...

I've just test FSB 470 * 6 = CPU @ stock. OCCT test RAM : unstable. CPU : Unstable.

And FSB 410*8.5 RAM @ 546 mhz. OCCT test RAM : stable.

I really think that my rampage have a serious issue with FSB...

[mikeyakame]

try setting NB ref to 0.60x, 490mhz fsb needs around 1.55 - 1.57v NB. Also if DRAM clock skews aren't set correctly, it will either lock up, come up with ridiculous amount of errors in memory or fail to post. 333 strap works fine at high FSB if you understand how to tame it. Basically just loosen all memory timings and go from there. 333 strap timings are really tight, PL 9 at 333 seems equivalent to PL 7 at 266 strap. Using PL 8 with 333 strap and 490 fsb, I managed to corrupt some Windows system files! I've gotten memory 100% stable at 490 fsb, but am lost for reasons why heavy CPU activity is locking the system up even with 1.45v Vcore and 1.60v cpu pll, 0.62x cpu gtl+ ref. This is when the mch/cpu skew adjustment feature the P45 boards have would be helpful.

Memory Timings
CAS Latency (CL) 5T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 5T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 5T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 18T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 60T
Command Rate (CR) 2T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD) 6T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 14T (Bios WR=7)
Read To Read Delay (tRTR) Same Rank: 5T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Write Delay (tRTW) 9T
Write To Read Delay (tWTR) Same Rank: 13T, Different Rank: 5T
Write To Write Delay (tWTW) Same Rank: 5T, Different Rank: 6T
Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP) 5T
Write To Precharge Delay (tWTP) 14T
Precharge To Precharge Delay (tPTP) 1T
Refresh Period (tREF) 3120T
DRAM Read ODT 3T
DRAM Write ODT 6T
MCH Read ODT 8T
Performance Level 9
Read Delay Phase Adjust Neutral
DIMM1 Clock Fine Delay 11T
DIMM2 Clock Fine Delay 2T
DIMM3 Clock Fine Delay 10T
DIMM4 Clock Fine Delay 2T

Thats roughly the memory timings that I got to work flawlessly at 490 fsb, using 1:1 divider, 980mhz ddr. Very loose but didnt get around to fine tuning the secondary/tertiary timings as yet, well only a few of them.

With those loose timings, everest cache test was showing ~ 8800MB/s read, ~8700MB/s write, 8100MB/s copy, 57ns latency at 980mhz.

[GAR]

Alright, so i have my system nice and stable at 400fsb with 1.43v to the nb and 1.3v to the fsb, memory running at 1066 with common performance level of 6, now when i try to go up to 450 i cannot even get prime to pass for 1 minute, fails within 30 seconds, this is prime blend. I have tried Nb voltage of 1.65 and fsb voltage of 1.5v, still fails within 30 seconds, I have lowered memory to 900mhz so it runs 1:1 divider with common performance level of 10 and it still fails just to see if its the memory at fault, now memtest passes with no problems, its prime blend that fails, prime blend is fine at 400fsb trd of 6 and low voltage settings, but 450fsb is a bit hard to attain, any ideas??? im on 0403 bios.

[Takle]

Just want say that I've tired - Crucial pc8500 8FE5, OCZ Reaper pc8500 (4gb) and now G.skill F2-8500CL5D and the G.Skill have been by far the easiest ram to configure... They are even stable at auto settings

Im now a proud member of the 8gb G.skill club But I need ideas to cool 'em - I have trouble fitting in a fan suggestions are greatly appreciated

As well as I don't think it's safe to be running more than 1.45V on the NB, if I remember correctly.

Could you link where you found that information?

[mikeyakame]

It's safe to run whatever voltage you need for NB provided you keep it's temps below 50-55c load off top of my head. Otherwise they tend to fail rapidly.

[Shadowthor]

Make sure there is a fan on the chipset to cool it down.

[Takle]

I have taken care of the chipset, its the ram modules im worried about, they get pretty hot to touch.

[mikeyakame]

i've been using a dominator ram cooling module for a long while, they fit the part pretty well, and have kept a couple sets of ddr2 alive for > 1yr at 2.4v daily

[bigslappy]

Just want say that I've tired - Crucial pc8500 8FE5, OCZ Reaper pc8500 (4gb) and now G.skill F2-8500CL5D and the G.Skill have been by far the easiest ram to configure... They are even stable at auto settings

Im now a proud member of the 8gb G.skill club But I need ideas to cool 'em - I have trouble fitting in a fan suggestions are greatly appreciated



Could you link where you found that information?

try this memory fan

works great for me on my G.Skills

\


http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=20910

[GAR]

It's safe to run whatever voltage you need for NB provided you keep it's temps below 50-55c load off top of my head. Otherwise they tend to fail rapidly.

with 1.43v it idles at 50-52c loads around high 50's.........maybe thats my problem???, i have a fan on my antec 900 pointing to the side which helps kind of.

[Shadowthor]

With the 3 year warranty its all good (at least for the rampage)

[bigslappy]

with 1.43v it idles at 50-52c loads around high 50's.........maybe thats my problem???, i have a fan on my antec 900 pointing to the side which helps kind of.

lap & remount the cooler
Q9450\mine is at 3.36 Ghz volts 1.228 & temps run 54-49 under prime/blend idles at 32
MX-2 thermal compound

[Rickpatbrown]

Foxy-

Your English is a lot better than my French. I wish I could blame it on my schools.

Your settings with the FSB seem to indicate it as the culprit, especially if you've already pushed the voltage up. People have been getting Corsair to work on this board, but the exact model numbers need to checked.

Lower your NB voltage. I've heard of instances were the NB didn't like voltage too high.


To everyone-

Can the Rampage support any 775 socket chip? I'm wondering if my memtest86+ errors are because of my e8400. A buddy lent me a Pentium E2160 to see if it could pass memtest86+. Do you think the CPU could be the reason it won't pass? Cache, maybe?

[foxvengeor]

mm yeah language school was horrible

I've already test to find my FSB max with the rampage... At coef 6 , CPU@Stock. And the ram at the lowest level as possible always strap 400.

I've test FSB 475 vNB 1.67 vFSB 1.48. Can't boot !
FSB 470 vNB 1.6 to 1.67 : can boot but errors at 4 seconds max

According to french forum i had a Volt Damage on my rampage??! And i must do a RMA... And my revendor propose an change with a P5 premium.... With 100 euros of différence. Or with a new rampage. i'm hesitating. Sav or not? Rampage or P5E5? I will receive my Gskill tomorrow for test before.

[Eurasianman]

Could you link where you found that information?

Don't have a link. I just don't see how going from 333 FSB to 400 FSB+ on the NB could require going from 1.25V to 1.50V+... but that's just me.

It's safe to run whatever voltage you need for NB provided you keep it's temps below 50-55c load off top of my head. Otherwise they tend to fail rapidly.

I don't even have my NB voltage that high and I'm already at 50C-55C load! Thank God for QX and unlocked multiplier.

with 1.43v it idles at 50-52c loads around high 50's.........maybe thats my problem???, i have a fan on my antec 900 pointing to the side which helps kind of.

I don't think that's your problem. I'm running less voltage and and still getting similar temps at load and remain stable.

With the 3 year warranty its all good (at least for the rampage)

Some of us voided the warranty when removing the stock TIM. In a way, it shouldn't since the TIM ASUS used sucked major cajones!

Foxy-

Your English is a lot better than my French. I wish I could blame it on my schools.

Your settings with the FSB seem to indicate it as the culprit, especially if you've already pushed the voltage up. People have been getting Corsair to work on this board, but the exact model numbers need to checked.

Lower your NB voltage. I've heard of instances were the NB didn't like voltage too high.


To everyone-

Can the Rampage support any 775 socket chip? I'm wondering if my memtest86+ errors are because of my e8400. A buddy lent me a Pentium E2160 to see if it could pass memtest86+. Do you think the CPU could be the reason it won't pass? Cache, maybe?

Agreed about the NB voltage. As far as memtest goes, using a different CPU won't change anything. I've been reading that memtest gives errors on the X48 regardless of what RAM you use. I just use Prime95 and F@H SMP to test my overall system stability

mm yeah language school was horrible

I've already test to find my FSB max with the rampage... At coef 6 , CPU@Stock. And the ram at the lowest level as possible always strap 400.

I've test FSB 475 vNB 1.67 vFSB 1.48. Can't boot !
FSB 470 vNB 1.6 to 1.67 : can boot but errors at 4 seconds max

According to french forum i had a Volt Damage on my rampage??! And i must do a RMA... And my revendor propose an change with a P5 premium.... With 100 euros of différence. Or with a new rampage. i'm hesitating. Sav or not? Rampage or P5E5? I will receive my Gskill tomorrow for test before.

Are you referring to the RAM slots being overvolted? I know my board likes to add around ~.04V to the RAM voltage

[foxvengeor]

No. With the load calibration enabled if i put 2.20 i had 2.20

[hsinhow]

Everest tends to report much higher core temperature than RealTemp and SpeedFan. In Everest, my core is ~71 C under load and RealTemp reports ~65 C. I recalled that these two programs use different thermal constant to calculate core temperature. I think the general consensus is that RealTemp is the more accurate one.

[hsinhow]

I am also using PWM fan (Nexus) with Thermalright Black 120 heatsink. In order to ramp up the fan speed under QFan, you need to use the Performance Mode profile under the bios's CPU fan control menu.

My Nexus PWM fan can go full speed under load.

[GAR]

The temps i was talking about were my NB temps, im not sure if everyone is talking about the same.............my cpu is fine, idles around 28-32c per core, load is very cool as well.