I'm gonna ask everyone to cease and desist with the ceevee-bashing.

His comments can be NV-biased sometimes, but they are far from being worth derailing the whole thread. This is the precise reason that I had asked for this thread to be removed. The longer it goes, the less of a purpose it will have. Members wished for this thread to be kept on for R700 discussion and that is what this is for.

There is NO general ATi or Nvidia discussion areas for exactly this reason. Please discuss the HD 4870 issues in the Video Card section, HD 4870 performance in the HD 4870 Review thread and likewise for the 4850.

Perkam