Danger Den GTX 280 WB

[DarthBeavis]

In my honest opinion i think eddie (ek) spoils us,We ask We Receive

Most Seem to flame DD's design choice's, but according to martin's test DD for the most part has the best free flowing blocks.

I totally agree and I love Eddy for that. He can do that because he does not have obligations like a major vendor to supply blocks to. The beauty is we can have two kick arse companies so if you do not get what you want from one you can go to another. Heck we have more than just two. I have a MIPS ram freezer on my Skulltrail build. I have used EK mofset blocks with matching NB and SB blocks on Asus builds. I maintain we have at least two kick arse companies . . .I just have a problem with the mindless DD flaming . . .if you have specific things you want then by all means bring it up. Saying DD has basically not done anything since blocks where made from stone is lame. Talk about baseless arguments. . .


I don't want either company getting mindless flack . . .constructive criticism ftw . . . I want better products just like the next guy. If you say you their TDX sucks then step up with numbers . . .if you say their 280 block is half-baked . . .say WHAT exactly is half-baked. What in the hell is a company supposed to do? People said they want a back plate . . .DD said they will do it.

[Kayin]

Good God, this has turned into quite a fest.

DB, there's a few people who have paid in blood, sweat and tears to have the right to say something about block design and manufacturing practices. Since I actually have tried to do something about making my own, I'll figure it gives me a bit of a statement.

To everyone who is ing but not offering ideas, there's a fine line between constructive criticism and biting the hand that feeds the industry, if not you. Some commercialization is good. AnFi-Tech blocks are bloody gorgeous. You'd love it if they got a bit bigger so they could fill all your orders, right? Hey, what if Cathar has a production line? See where this is going?

DD has actually been trying to give the community what it wants. There are things I want them to offer (either more silver blocks or silver plating, for anti-algae) and I'd love to see a new block design too, but how many here actually sit and try to design these things? It's not easy. Nothing is perfect, and nobody can be everything to everyone.

DD has been here for forever-my first block was a Maze2. For a lot of you, that's well before your time, though I know there are some diehards that were back there when we didn't know better than to use well water and stuff... These guys have been there all along trying to make sure we had what we needed, and they've moved along with the industry as best they could.

They're trying. Give them some credit for that. If you have a problem, state your problem and offer a solution. If you want more community involvement, be more welcoming. This place is not welcoming. Hell, you try and run off the regulars every other week.

Just my 2 cents USD. Not worth much, but it's there.

[UObean]

I honestly don't buy the excuse that DD reps stay away from this site because of flaming. Its a two way street. If you're not going to come here and participate in the community, then you don't have a right to complain about your treatment in said community. Its not like EK blocks drastically outperform DD blocks. DD make a great product, they just don't have the customer service that their competition does. (Despite what some may think, participating in this forum actually does constitute as customer service.) That being said, I could care less if they hang out in these forums. I just want the best performance I can get. Its the same reason people buy thermochill. I'm not sure what testing you're referring to Beavis, but the PA series has always had the best performance with low speed fans. Hell Martin's latest testing proves this against a BlackIce radiator that has more surface area and an additonal fan for crying out loud.

edit: Also, if DD is going to provide a backplate later on, they should really list that on their website. I see nothing mentioned on the product page.

[DarthBeavis]

Good God, this has turned into quite a fest.

DB, there's a few people who have paid in blood, sweat and tears to have the right to say something about block design and manufacturing practices. Since I actually have tried to do something about making my own, I'll figure it gives me a bit of a statement.

To everyone who is ing but not offering ideas, there's a fine line between constructive criticism and biting the hand that feeds the industry, if not you. Some commercialization is good. AnFi-Tech blocks are bloody gorgeous. You'd love it if they got a bit bigger so they could fill all your orders, right? Hey, what if Cathar has a production line? See where this is going?

DD has actually been trying to give the community what it wants. There are things I want them to offer (either more silver blocks or silver plating, for anti-algae) and I'd love to see a new block design too, but how many here actually sit and try to design these things? It's not easy. Nothing is perfect, and nobody can be everything to everyone.

DD has been here for forever-my first block was a Maze2. For a lot of you, that's well before your time, though I know there are some diehards that were back there when we didn't know better than to use well water and stuff... These guys have been there all along trying to make sure we had what we needed, and they've moved along with the industry as best they could.

They're trying. Give them some credit for that. If you have a problem, state your problem and offer a solution. If you want more community involvement, be more welcoming. This place is not welcoming. Hell, you try and run off the regulars every other week.

Just my 2 cents USD. Not worth much, but it's there.

I am sure they would love to spend more time on R & D for new blocks . . .so where is the justification? The only test results we have from Martin show their MC-TDX has the best flow . . .we need data to tell them it is time to make a new design . . .we need some temp tests to to complete Martin's tests.

EK and EVGA both have some nice GPU blocks . . .and they can thank DD for the full-coverage market. EVGA only started offering blocks as a result of BFG beating them to the punch, and then they used ALUMINUM Innovatek blocks under the Black Pearl name . . .and I raised hell on their forums . . .and now they make their own copper blocks . . .Koolance blocks are really sweet as well now . . .they used to use aluminum, then you guys constantly had a cow . . .and I managed to get the word to them through Team Next Gen (who helps them with design ideas) to turn the tide. . .

All that feedback I have channeled was a result of . . . .you guys. The only difference is you guys (many of you) post your frustrations . . .I find a way to get the companies to listen to it . . .first filtering out the mindless flaming and bashing . . .if you eliminated the bashing then the companies would pick up on your good ideas themselves . . .instead you drive them off as once they read people saying they plain suck they will go elsewhere.


I have been guilty of being an a$$clown here and other forums myself and have been deservedly spanked for it . . .

[dexaroni]

I have to ask you UObean, have you ever TRIED to use DD customer service? I can call their office, and I can be transfered to Jeremys cell phone just by asking.

That man devotes most of his time to customers, regardless of what he is doing. And they don't "Throw" LAN Parties, they attend them, and pay for tickets even though they are sponsors. They sit down with the gamers, visit, and don't care if you buy something. At a Lan about a year ago, I had a leak spring up in the middle of the LAN. Dan from Danger Den came to my seat, and helped me fix it, and even gave me a free bottle of coolant to replace the coolant that had leaked out.

If thats not customer service, I don't know what is.

[sonofander]

Jeremy from DD has just responded that they are now working on a backplate for the ram on the back of this card and it will be included in all future block sales, and provided at no additional fee for previous orders.

sounds like pretty good customer service to me... we asked, we recieved

[Xilikon]

To put things in perspective, D-Tek make great blocks but did anyone see a D-Tek representative here ? Flaming DD for not listening to customers is just childish

[DarthBeavis]

I honestly don't buy the excuse that DD reps stay away from this site because of flaming. Its a two way street. If you're not going to come here and participate in the community, then you don't have a right to complain about your treatment in said community. Its not like EK blocks drastically outperform DD blocks. DD make a great product, they just don't have the customer service that their competition does. (Despite what some may think, participating in this forum actually does constitute as customer service.) That being said, I could care less if they hang out in these forums. I just want the best performance I can get. Its the same reason people buy thermochill. I'm not sure what testing you're referring to Beavis, but the PA series has always had the best performance with low speed fans. Hell Martin's latest testing proves this against a BlackIce radiator that has more surface area and an additonal fan for crying out loud.

edit: Also, if DD is going to provide a backplate later on, they should really list that on their website. I see nothing mentioned on the product page.

Hey, you have made a really good point! Their product page does need more TLC . . .one area they can definitely improve is keeping their web store updated and fresh.

As far as TC performance . . .like you said, low speed and volt-modded fans . . .I am sorry but if you look at that benefit verses actually being able to buy the radiator and the price/performance I say Black Ice edges out TC . . .that I just a personal opinion . . .it may be all academic if Thermochill does not change the way they do business or stay afloat. You guys may know watercooling better than I but I understand business somewhat (my wife and I run a multi-million dollar business, I have a BS in business and currently am working on my MBA) . . .being constantly in a position of operating at way over capacity and not being able to meet your market demand in a reasonable time frame is a recipe for failure. Feser is poised to step in and take up the slack (the prices will level out folks) somewhat . . .now the question is will most folks really want a TC or just the hardcore people here . . .

[UObean]

I have to ask you UObean, have you ever TRIED to use DD customer service? I can call their office, and I can be transfered to Jeremys cell phone just by asking.

That man devotes most of his time to customers, regardless of what he is doing. And they don't "Throw" LAN Parties, they attend them, and pay for tickets even though they are sponsors. They sit down with the gamers, visit, and don't care if you buy something. At a Lan about a year ago, I had a leak spring up in the middle of the LAN. Dan from Danger Den came to my seat, and helped me fix it, and even gave me a free bottle of coolant to replace the coolant that had leaked out.

If thats not customer service, I don't know what is.

Their customer service has been excellent when I've dealt with them. They were actually at a lan party I went to. Hence, the first time I setup my water cooling loop, I bought all my stuff from them and have since made subsequent orders. They're a great company. To be honest, I have never bought any of EK's equipment, but I'm sure his customer service is quite good as well. If it wasn't, I'm sure members here would say something about it.

Regardless, people are still missing the point. If one company interacts with a community and another doesn't, all things being equal, who would you choose? Likewise, they'll probably treat that company better in said community. Telling your customers (or through a representative) that you don't want to interactive with them on their level because they're immature flamers is not really a good business decision IMO. Ultimately, like I said earlier, I could personally care less. They will get my money if they have the best product. (Or even if it performs the same since they operate in my state and shipping is fast.)

[DarthBeavis]

Their customer service has been excellent when I've dealt with them. They were actually at a lan party I went to. Hence, the first time I setup my water cooling loop, I bought all my stuff from them and have since made subsequent orders. They're a great company. To be honest, I have never bought any of EK's equipment, but I'm sure his customer service is quite good as well. If it wasn't, I'm sure members here would say something about it.

Regardless, people are still missing the point. If one company interacts with a community and another doesn't, all things being equal, who would you choose? Likewise, they'll probably treat that company better in said community. Telling your customers (or through a representative) that you don't want to interactive with them on their level because they're immature flamers is not really a good business decision IMO. Ultimately, like I said earlier, I could personally care less. They will get my money if they have the best product. (Or even if it performs the same since they operate in my state and shipping is fast.)

Bud I would LOVE to have them posting here as much as anyone . . .I am trying to turn the tide here so maybe that will happen.

[SoundEvolution]

Ok I just going to put my 2 cents in doesnt matter cause hey iam a rookie at wc...

First off I have built 3 wc rigs first 1 using all DD cause thats what I was reading about, then wanted to try something new took off DD product put it on something else, and ordered all ek + vregs same system the DD was on and there was only 1 or 2 c difference between the EK and DD...

I dont post in forms to often cause iam the type of person that I want to find out myself the difference between product lines or a Company. For example I am the one Darthbeavis was talking about on the first page about running Koolance (sponsored this time) and DD is still helping me with things.. Not only that they have not asked me why I am running Koolance product vs DD stuff no questions, I asked and more then welling to give a person a hand, great customer service. I even sent the same question to EK and got no response but got a response from DD the same day months later still havent received a replay from EK no big deal, maybe got lost in the mix, and no it wont stop me from buying something from EK.

Its human nature to flame other company's product its been going on for years ford/chev, toyota/honda its one persons perspective... Let everybody live and learn.. Its just everybody wants to jump on a bandwagon and ride it for what its worth..

Again just my 2 cents doesnt matter iam a rookie (and iam stocking up on TC rads hehehe)

[dengyong]

DarthBeavis,

DD has the expertise, and I leave it up to them to come out with the most innovative and kick ass product. What do I want? I want them to take the performance crown convincingly. I want them to rip D-Tek and EK new ones, and smack the rest of the industry at the back of the head.

Just release the best performing water blocks, bar none, and they are guaranteed to have my business. Once upon a time, they did have the best water block...

+1 and IMO, people also want good looks, as well as performance.
Even if the part will be out of sight, a nice looking part makes you feel better about your purchase.

Thanks to DD for making waterblocks with no aluminum parts.

[jspace]

I have to admit, one of the reasons I don't post in this section much is because of all the flaming. I've been reduced to visiting just to see what new products/testing have been released.

Anyway, glad you guys calmed down. This needs to stop. People have preferences and we need more people like Martin to do thermal testing and gather other empirical data. Then we can stop bashing companies because of ignorance. Not that's going to stop some people...

Oh and SoundEvolution, I got another argument I've heard:
Browning v. Remington

[SoundEvolution]

jspace

1+ forgot that one but I could go on for days!!!!!!

[disruptfam]

Jeremy from DD has just responded that they are now working on a backplate for the ram on the back of this card and it will be included in all future block sales, and provided at no additional fee for previous orders.

sounds like pretty good customer service to me... we asked, we recieved

good news

Good job DD

[Whokidmo]

i'm done with this thread but please remember these are forums if i want to post sh*t i should be able to unless its offensive... DD is a great company, could work on some things like all companies... i mean it would have been just as easy to flame on EK and say WTF more blocks FTW... but DD happen to be in the cross fire this time around... it will happen to all companies... XSPC just had like a block break on a guy... it'll happen... anyways im going back in hiding lol peace all

[DarthBeavis]

i'm done with this thread but please remember these are forums if i want to post sh*t i should be able to unless its offensive... DD is a great company, could work on some things like all companies... i mean it would have been just as easy to flame on EK and say WTF more blocks FTW... but DD happen to be in the cross fire this time around... it will happen to all companies... XSPC just had like a block break on a guy... it'll happen... anyways im going back in hiding lol peace all

you have a right to your opinion and I am glad you posted even if we may not agree . . .please do not think I want you to stay away. No company is perfect as you said. I hope this little wild thread at least made a couple people reconsider their position and also helped to communicate what you guys want to Danger Den . . .over all a win-win I would say

[Kayin]

Hope you know for this one I had your back DB. I really have learned just how difficult it can be.

Also, DD sponsored my buddy CheapSkate's Bloo Balls build, really great stuff. Wish they'd sponsor my video cards for Mithril...

[NaeKuh]

i want a silver MCP chipset block.

Why cant a company make a silver chipset block? Something you can keep in loop and act as a biocide.

Being a chipset block it would be small, and wouldnt require much mass or quantity.


I dream of this. And im sure those of us that run straight distilled would jump all over this.

[Kayin]

AC used to do it. They may still.

[NaeKuh]

AC used to do it. They may still.

im gonna poke our legendary miller to build me one when i send him my cuplex to step.

[Kayin]

I'll just do mine meself. Should get MAPP this weekend.

[DarthBeavis]

I saw a silver block at DD last weekend in a production rig . . .clearly had been there for many moons . . .so tarnished . . .I wish they could do some type of non-staining coating that would not impact performance . . .but then I also would not cry if the Swedish Bikini team rappelled into my living room right about now with kegs of Jager strapped to their back

[SoundEvolution]

DB if they do that CALL ME RIGHT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NaeKuh]

but then I also would not cry if the Swedish Bikini team rappelled into my living room right about now with kegs of Jager strapped to their back

lol im guesing your wifey is busy at work?

DB any chance you can buy that block for me?

DB if they do that CALL ME RIGHT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFL.... we will all ban him if he doesnt invite us when the swedish bikini team rapples though his room.

Im sure he will at least pics of them freaking his cherry X.