Could B3 Phenom be the rebirth of AMD....+1000MHZ OC done!

[Oldguy932]

I've said this alot but I guess I'll say it again. Cold=worse overclock. It knocked my 9600 from 3020mhz down to 2860mhz stable. It kept my first 9850 at a maximum of 2.75ghz until I put it on air and then I hit 3ghz+. I'm warning you, don't do cold. You'd need to get a water cooler like Tony's for the best setup. Only thing that cold does is increase the head room of the nb which unless you have your cpu running fast then it doesn't matter.

[Milans]

Nedjo - I agree but I don't have time - we must wait for a weekend

Oldguy932 - you don't have right. Cold = lower HTT but it is not crucial if you have unlocked multiplier

[FlanK3r]

very nice Milans, try please tu wprime, its better to scaling benchmark for x-cores CPUs than superpi.

[charged3800z24]

I've said this alot but I guess I'll say it again. Cold=worse overclock. It knocked my 9600 from 3020mhz down to 2860mhz stable. It kept my first 9850 at a maximum of 2.75ghz until I put it on air and then I hit 3ghz+. I'm warning you, don't do cold. You'd need to get a water cooler like Tony's for the best setup. Only thing that cold does is increase the head room of the nb which unless you have your cpu running fast then it doesn't matter.

Well, I get board easy and thought I'd McGyver something... I am using AC freezer 64 pro's on both Phenoms, and I hit temp issues when cranking out stress test and the cores start to drop like flies.. I added a modded fan to one and pulled temps lower and stress test went longer.. All I am wondering is what is to cold..?

[QuietIce]

Just as a WAG (and I'll let you all know by Sunday I hope!) I'd say 40°C is safe enough. My old Opty's run 3.0 GHz at that temp and the 5000BE runs about that, too, at 3.2 GHz. Any warmer and the OC starts dropping. My bet is they could probably go down near ambient and still be OK but i have no data for that - strictly a WC'er here - I haven't got the Phenom hooked up with WC yet. :-/

no it wasn't. It is only validation. I don't know how fast it is able to work 100% stable because my WC isn't efficient enough. After 1h of IDLE temperature was 55-60*C - very, very hot.

Nothing like yours but I did manage a validation for 3.2 GHz (on all four cores ) - just a simple 200x16 ...

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=352629

[demonkevy666]

had to go to 1.426cpu volts in bios (1.448 in cpu-z) for 220 x 11 to get stable

northbrige is 1.3 volts 1980mhz

dropped timings back 6-6-6- 18, hyper transport to x6. Set memory to 1:1 with 2.1volts

I went to ungainged to see if changed anything no much of one.

don't know if I can get more out this 9550 might have to spring for a 9850BE

[Schneider]

Well, I get board easy and thought I'd McGyver something... I am using AC freezer 64 pro's on both Phenoms, and I hit temp issues when cranking out stress test and the cores start to drop like flies.. I added a modded fan to one and pulled temps lower and stress test went longer.. All I am wondering is what is to cold..?

When we say cold, we mean sub zero. Its a pain in the ass to get Phenom stable or even booting at sub-zero...no matter how low the htt is.

[Oldguy932]

I could still get up to 275htt on the 9850 under cold. Using the multi didn't change anything. I had my vapo on for 4 months testing this and you don't listen. If they did clock better under cold I wouldn't have take the vapo off to put on a TRUE. That 9850 could not under any circumstances hit 3ghz until I put in on air cooling. I had a crosshair running in another system, I put the 9850 in and I could get 3ghz to get into windows with 1.35v. Under cold, it would not boot into windows with 1.4v+. More voltage just made it less likely to get into windows. Using the multiplier didn't help. Same thing with my 9600 BE. It was stable at 2.8ghz on air with 1.3v, but under cold it wouldn't be stable higher than about 2.6.

[Daveburt714]

had to go to 1.426cpu volts in bios (1.448 in cpu-z) for 220 x 11 to get stable

northbrige is 1.3 volts 1980mhz

dropped timings back 6-6-6- 18, hyper transport to x6. Set memory to 1:1 with 2.1volts

I went to ungainged to see if changed anything no much of one.

don't know if I can get more out this 9550 might have to spring for a 9850BE

Hey Bud.. Looking at your sig, if your still using the 1.2 Bios on the K9A2 you should seriously consider flashing to a different version. From my experience 1.2 was one of the weakest bios for this board.

The 1.4 release would probably serve you much better..

I've don't have a 9550, but the 3 I have don't show much improvement over 1.4v's so, it seems like you might be going higher than you need to on Vcore..

1.54 Beta supports 1066 Ram (with most modules).

1.13 Beta still offers the most flexability, but P-States are tricky and that's where you'll find the benefit for this version.

You may well have reached the limit of a 9550, but it would be worth a shot to try a better bios....

[Lastviking]

Nedjo - I agree but I don't have time - we must wait for a weekend

Oldguy932 - you don't have right. Cold = lower HTT but it is not crucial if you have unlocked multiplier

So lower htt and higher multi will make cold work? , what is max multi on the phenom 9850?

Then the cold bug sounds like on the K8.

[Milans]

imo coldbug in K10 is the same as in K8. Lower temperature mean lower HTT, but CPU can work with higher MHz. If you have unlocked multiplier you can reduce temperature and set higher multiplier to make up waste of max HTT MHz.

~60*C = 3600 MHz
~40*C = 3700 MHz

Phenom 9850 BE = unlocked multiplier up to 25x

[Lastviking]

imo coldbug in K10 is the same as in K8. Lower temperature mean lower HTT, but CPU can work with higher MHz. If you have unlocked multiplier you can reduce temperature and set higher multiplier to make up waste of max HTT MHz.

~60*C = 3600 MHz
~40*C = 3700 MHz

Phenom 9850 BE = unlocked multiplier up to 25x

Hmm do low htt works fine?(i know the performence will get lower), but will htt like 160 works fine?

160x25 = 4000mhz maybe -40c temp can make it.

[Milans]

I hadn't try it but I think it would work fine. Problem is that you can't do it in BIOS. Good idea but very difficult to make in practice.

Lower performance? I don't think so, but with HTT 140 MHz mem on 1066div will work at 140 * 8/3 = 373 MHZ (746)

[Oldguy932]

Phenoms don't overclock the same way as K8's. You need to do a bit of reading in some of our old testing threads. I'll be waiting with an I told you so later on.

Oh and I forgot to add earlier, the chips clocked even less when I turned the heater patch from underneath the cpu off. I'm telling you that chilled water is the way to go.

[Tony]

water between 0C and 10C is where you get the best clocks IMO, i was running 8C and could get 3600 into XP and 3500 into vista

[QuietIce]

Hmmm, where's that ad I saw for the office water-cooler ...?

[demonkevy666]

Hey Bud.. Looking at your sig, if your still using the 1.2 Bios on the K9A2 you should seriously consider flashing to a different version. From my experience 1.2 was one of the weakest bios for this board.

The 1.4 release would probably serve you much better..

I've don't have a 9550, but the 3 I have don't show much improvement over 1.4v's so, it seems like you might be going higher than you need to on Vcore..

1.54 Beta supports 1066 Ram (with most modules).

1.13 Beta still offers the most flexability, but P-States are tricky and that's where you'll find the benefit for this version.

You may well have reached the limit of a 9550, but it would be worth a shot to try a better bios....

I was guessing that

will I loose anything on the bios ?

I'll do it with live updates form MSI then

[Oldguy932]

Yeah, that's why I asked in the phase change section if there was any easy way to use my vapo to keep temps up that high, only solution was to re-gas it with a different refridgerant. I'd much rather buy a water chiller from someone than make it so I can't eventually sell the vapo.

[SkullCracka]

swiftech TEC block should put your cpu in that temp range or is the idea to get the water to that temp? hmm

[Oldguy932]

The idea is to be able to keep the water at that temperature without much variation so that the cpu can't go very high at load but stays above freezing at idle.

[SkullCracka]

Nedjo - I agree but I don't have time - we must wait for a weekend

Oldguy932 - you don't have right. Cold = lower HTT but it is not crucial if you have unlocked multiplier

Milan:

so how cold is your water set up. if its the one from the picture i have seen. It looks like an ambient set up ???? if so what is your water and ambient room temp ?

[Oldguy932]

I screwed up something on my board. Put one of the sticks of ram back in to see how high I could clock with a single stick. I got a little greedy and tried going for the #1 9600 spot for cpu-z on hwbot. To do it, I needed to be able to validate at 11.5x285, and while I could get it to boot, it wouldn't load vista due to heat issues. Now a while back something happened that I could only put 1.53v max through a phenom, which I only did a few times when I dropped it to one core. Now I can get up to 1.55v again, but if I set 1.45v I only get 1.4v. Not sure why it would do that, but it almost gives me a real reason to upgrade to a SB750 rather than just because I want one.

[Milans]

Milan:

so how cold is your water set up. if its the one from the picture i have seen. It looks like an ambient set up ???? if so what is your water and ambient room temp ?

ambient temp ~28*C. Currently CPU work at 35*C and 42*C after overclock. The reason of such high temperatures as I said before (55-60) was air in WC. I will try to reduce water temprature with "wet" ice

[wiak]

new beta of overdrive out
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1101/file.html

new feature of “Advance Clock Calibration” by adding a new page named “CMOS”.

sounds fancy :P

[demonkevy666]

updated msi K9a2 bios to 1.4

memory auto set my ram to 5-3-3-8 (15) T1.

which is a lot tighter then older bios would do.

booted a 1066mhz but never got to windows.