GeForce 9900 GTX & GTS Slated For July Launch

[natty]

chinese sites we need you

[Leeghoofd]

are we talking nvidia or ati here cmon ppl, so GAR will I be able to play crysis with 16Q Anti aliasing and 16 Anisiotropic filtering on 2560 x 1600 res with GTX 280, if not I wouldnt call it a monster :P! come to think of it I have never played a game with those settings :P

Don't think any card this year can do that res in Crysis.. unless you were pretty making a joke...

[Atal]

Of course I was making a joke, but to call it a monster hope it has same performance jump we had from 7 to 8 gen, they it would be awsome, so GAR you dont have to give us numbers

[Anth Seebel]

[Anth Seebel]

Allegedly, Radeon HD 4870 X2 prototype 3 DMark Vantage may be at about X5500, and NVIDIA's flagship GeForce GTX 280 only X4800 points, a difference of nearly 15 percent.

from here.

3dmark is very rough idea for perforamnce but it gives some idea. Hopefully this result will pull prices down.

[Extelleron]

Dont look at only 3DMARK's, in games this thing is a monster, it will last a good 2 years, just like the 8800GTX......it will be a good investment.

Shouldn't 3D Marks be the best tool for comparing GTX 280 to the 8800 Ultra? 3D Mark has never been a good tool for comparing cards from two companies, but it is a good tool for comparing performance between cards of the same architecture.

I would have thought that Vantage would scale very well because it depends heavily on shading resources (which GTX 280 should have plenty of, with 240SP's that are supposedly more efficient than G80).

And I don't think any card will ever last two years like the 8800GTX... that was a once a lifetime thing IMO. nVidia is supposed to come out with a 55nm refresh this year, and then next year I am sure AMD/nVidia will be doing wonders with TSMC's 40nm process.

[AliG]

chinese sites we need you

QFT!

but will 4870X2 run out of memory? is it shared memory or 2x with bridge.?

Latest news points to a bridge with 2x memory, but I highly doubt it will run out of memory

from here.

3dmark is very rough idea for perforamnce but it gives some idea. Hopefully this result will pull prices down.

Thing is, last generation nvidia spanked ati in 3dmark vantage, by a long shot in most cases. So unless if ati's drivers suddenly became perfectly designed specificly for 3dmark vantage, I think this may mean that the r700 could beat the gtx 280. But still, no one knows until we've seen the benchmark.


And that includes you too GAR, you also know absolutely nothing until you see the chinese leaks

[perkam]

Thing is, last generation nvidia spanked ati in 3dmark vantage, by a long shot in most cases.

A 3dM Vantage fix came out from ATI in April that equalized the playing field m8. Please look it up.

Secondly, using 3D Mark Vantage to decide which card is better is about as effective as throwing both off of a 10-storey building and seeing which one still works X_X

Only For People Who Believe 3d Mark Vantage is actually useful right now, others please go to next post

Please understand this. 3D Mark 06, 05 and 03 had to go through 2-3 revisions before we could trust their consistency, and be able to translate marks from one benchmark to another.

Right now, 3D Mark Vantage is in its initial stages, and Futuremark will be trying fix glitches and anomalies in the benchmark because it has just launched and they have JUST started to get feedback on their benchmark. It is far from being an end product (this is why beta releases are so useful) and we have no idea with any form of certainty how a Vantage mark translates into a 3d 06 mark and back, not to mention that the XIPs and XLs are still trying to find out what particular attributes (core clock, memory clock, CPU cache, TMUs, ROPs, Shaders, Memory bandwith, bus size, etc etc) provide higher marks and which have minimal effects on the benchmark.

My biggest complaint is the lack of proper CPU integration (the CPU mark accounts for less than 15% of the total mark) which gives a mark that is significantly different than what would be seen on average in today's games. (I've cited this as the reason the Phenom is more competitive in 3dMV but one benchmark cannot justify poor performance elsewhere).

If benchmarks will decide this, it will be 3d06, 05, 03 and 01 that people will be waiting for, not 3dMV numbers when we know well that a second rev could come at any time and make all previous records useless (as it has happened with every new 3dmark revision).

Perkam

[y2kbos]

Thing is, last generation nvidia spanked ati in 3dmark vantage, by a long shot in most cases. So unless if ati's drivers suddenly became perfectly designed specificly for 3dmark vantage, I think this may mean that the r700 could beat the gtx 280. But still, no one knows until we've seen the benchmark.

HD2900XT beats 8800 in 3d mark vantage now I think

[Beefy22]

If benchmarks will decide this, it will be 3d06, 05, 03 and 01 that people will be waiting for, not 3dMV numbers when we know well that a second rev could come at any time and make all previous records useless (as it has happened with every new 3dmark revision).

Perkam

Correct, but only from a bencmarker's POV... Ultimately it's about in game performance(for most). That's all I want to see out of both GT200 and RV770, jeez both companies are killing me I want to see some legit #s.

HD2900XT beats 8800 in 3d mark vantage now I think

Big deal, in how many dx9/dx10 games does it beat an 8800? I guess that sounds like blasphemy to people who bench 24/7...

[y2kbos]

Big deal, in how many dx9/dx10 games does it beat an 8800? I guess that sounds like blasphemy to people who bench 24/7...

AliG believes otherwise..

[AliG]

HD2900XT beats 8800 in 3d mark vantage now I think

maybe the 2900xt does, but the 3870 loses to the g92 gts by a large margin, and the 3870x2 loses to 9800gx2.

AliG believes otherwise..

Not at all, when did ever say that, you need to my posts better before you call someone out like that. Besides you were the one that brought up the 2900xt beating the 8800 cards, not me, so I think you should be thinking about your own posts instead of mine.

Since nobody knows what the actual 4xxx specs are, its hard to say how will they will perform in games. But judging by the x1800-->x1900 transition and how both major rumors have many supporters, I think we'll see a lot of power comming from ati. Even if the 4870 has only 480 shaders, it should have a much higher shader clock (compared to 3870) since the 1.2 TFLOPs number seems to be a given now, which still means lots of performance coming our way.

And thus, I believe this battle for the high end will truly rest upon how well ati's drivers are for the 4870x2, and how well games are coded for both sides, as this should be much closer than the r600 vs g80 battle last year

[Hu1kamania]

One thing I that I think will be interesting is how well the 3rd party companies will be able to stock overclock the GTX 280. Many might assume that it is already pushing its boundaries and that it won't have the typical headroom of cards from the past. Or perhaps It could be set to a current lower stock clock with that idea in mind. Unlikely? yeah...but possible? yeah....

Overclockability is important to many here I suspect, (call me crazy for that assumption) as it is to me. We wont know until the official release who has the best overclock potential. Common sense says the 55nm part has the advantage, but how far did each company have to push their cards to compete?

Overclocking is becoming more and more important to alot of companies. It has become its own industry.

[AliG]

My bet is that it will be very similar to the 8800gtx in that respect, I'm kinda surprised that nvidia is clocking the gtx cards higher than the g80 high end, especially with how much bigger and hotter the gpus are. We'll probably see a max vendor clock around 700mhz for the special cooling versions, and probably around 650 tops for stock cooling

[Orion24]

Allegedly, Radeon HD 4870 X2 prototype 3 DMark Vantage may be at about X5500, and NVIDIA's flagship GeForce GTX 280 only X4800 points, a difference of nearly 15 percent

3DMark is the ideal 3D application where you can make the most out of a multi-GPU card, both because Futuremark has designed it to take full advantage of multi-GPU and because it if the first application where the video card drivers are optimised for. Traditionally SLI & Crossfire performed better in 3DMark than in games, so I expect the ATI 2-GPU design to be better favoured in 3DMark than in games

[Nedjo]

Please understand this. 3D Mark 06, 05 and 03 had to go through 2-3 revisions before we could trust their consistency, and be able to translate marks from one benchmark to another.

Regardless of the patch all scores from 1.0 to the latest patch of all 3DMarks were comparative – in other words if you run Vantage today, and within a year on a same hardware and the same drivers, but with say patch 1.5, you’ll get the same results!

My biggest complaint is the lack of proper CPU integration (the CPU mark accounts for less than 15% of the total mark) which gives a mark that is significantly different than what would be seen on average in today's games. (I've cited this as the reason the Phenom is more competitive in 3dMV but one benchmark cannot justify poor performance elsewhere).

First of all the worst thing about 3DMark 06 and Vantage is integration of the CPU score in the finall number!
Second, try running Crysis in DX10 Very High setting in only SVGA resolution, and you’ll find out that Phenom is not a single fps behind competing CPU! Quite contrary

[bowman]

If the CPU is relatively recent it has little to do with games performance, you won't see a difference at the resolutions people actually play games at. The CPU score had way too much sway in 06, they fixed that in Vantage.

[GAR]

Shouldn't 3D Marks be the best tool for comparing GTX 280 to the 8800 Ultra? 3D Mark has never been a good tool for comparing cards from two companies, but it is a good tool for comparing performance between cards of the same architecture.

I would have thought that Vantage would scale very well because it depends heavily on shading resources (which GTX 280 should have plenty of, with 240SP's that are supposedly more efficient than G80).

And I don't think any card will ever last two years like the 8800GTX... that was a once a lifetime thing IMO. nVidia is supposed to come out with a 55nm refresh this year, and then next year I am sure AMD/nVidia will be doing wonders with TSMC's 40nm process.

3DMARK is actually the worst way to test, an 8800GT overclocked used to beat an 8800GTX in 3dmark, but in games it was a different story, same goes for the GTX280, it has a wider bus, and more memory, so in order to see full potential, you need to use a benchmark which utilizes its full power, 3dmark at 1920x1200 resolution with aa/af is a good comparison, but not stock settings, this card shines really in high resolutions with aa/af, the 1gb and wide buss really help it achieve some good numbers, i dont really feel the need to show off and show my card, in due time the numbers will be revealed, if i show numbers, all im going to get is, its not real, its fake, this and that, so ill let the official review sites give you the numbers so you can believe them......... great product by all means.

[y2kbos]

You've got a believer in me, Crysis very high @ 1920 x 1200 numbers will do me..

[eric66]

3DMARK is actually the worst way to test, an 8800GT overclocked used to beat an 8800GTX in 3dmark, but in games it was a different story, same goes for the GTX280, it has a wider bus, and more memory, so in order to see full potential, you need to use a benchmark which utilizes its full power, 3dmark at 1920x1200 resolution with aa/af is a good comparison, but not stock settings, this card shines really in high resolutions with aa/af, the 1gb and wide buss really help it achieve some good numbers, i dont really feel the need to show off and show my card, in due time the numbers will be revealed, if i show numbers, all im going to get is, its not real, its fake, this and that, so ill let the official review sites give you the numbers so you can believe them......... great product by all means.

post pic of the card and then bench crysis i promise i will believe you

[natty]

i dont really feel the need to show off and show my card

please do

[cptkoulis]

C'mon GAR,give us some numbers plx!

[speedfreak86]

I would like to know numbers too, but am also interested in if there are any waterblocks currently available that fit the GTX280.

[cptkoulis]

I would like to know numbers too, but am also interested in if there are any waterblocks currently available that fit the GTX280.

http://tcmagazine.com/comments.php?s...=20024&catid=2

take a look m8

[conzymaher]

I would like to know numbers too, but am also interested in if there are any waterblocks currently available that fit the GTX280.

The MCW60 fits everything! Even if it doesn't fit it would be easy to make a plate to make it fit and I'm sure swiftech will release a plate when its released...