Q9450 OC / Temps / Settings

[Zucker2k]

Is what I said..... I dunno what your citing from that, because it clearly says 45nm Quads, and it says there isn't much difference being reported between X38 and P35 overclocking of 45nm chips... If you would like to show me a link saying otherwise,then sure I will take the time to look at it, but what you showed in your few screen shots even say Rampage Formula in CPU-Z except for one.

This is actually the only screenshot that doesn't say "Rampage Formula"



So the point that you either have a flashed BIOS to Rampage or have an actual Rampage, doesnt really validate anything you've said about Maximus. The Flashed BIOS in rare cases gave better FSB with 45nm quads, and in some cases I saw a "true" Rampage Formula give all the way up to a 480mhz FSB.

I havent seen too much with Dualcore 45nms since the hot thing to have/play with is Quadcore.

And the fact you keep bringing up 4x2GB RAM is pretty moot point as well, since all that takes to get stable is increased NB/Mem controller, maybe tuned timings/settings and dram voltage depending on what kinda overclock your working with.... I could say im working on 4x2GB too, it really doesnt mean anything about 45nm clocking, so I dunno why you keep bringing it up like its an accomplishment or rarity to see on X38.

I see this DDR2 1000 "pushed" to 1066.... considering thats not really that far away its not really anything to claim performance from, or that its increased overclocking prowess to get. (still at a loss as to what you mean by this 4x2GB posting)

Also I think you may of misconstrued what I was saying when I said X38 doesnt clock any better than P35... You seem to think I said they werent good at it...when I said 45nm Dualcores will probably hit about the same on either platform in the 4ghz mark, we all know they can do high FSB.... If you would better explain what you quoted the end of my original post for, I could probably better serve you in terms of a conversation.

I'm quoting your own statement to answer the bolded statements above:

There have been limited success in getting a Maximus (x38) over 440mhz.... and I see that your screenshot has a Rampage Formula... is that flashed or a true rampage? Because if its a true rampage I already said they seem to be going over 450mhz with ease.

Even a dim-witted high school kid understands your statement here: You're implying that only a "true" rampage is capable of the shots I posted, when I point you you to the x38 in the screen, you ignore it and come back spitting b**lsh*t. You can't flip-flop on your statement, at least you won't get that past me.

You have also demonstrated your naivete when it comes to overclocking because running a quad + 8GB kills your fsb. You once again shot yourself in the foot because you did mention NB but failed to see how tasking your NB by populating your 4 slots hampers it in high fsb situations.

If you thing 8x533 + 8GB Ram is a mean fit, please point me to a post anywhere in this forum where someone has achieved that, and on what platform?

Finally this is my original post: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=452

Notice how I said, 45nm cpus. Haven't I backed all that up?

Finally, your argument that my Maximus has been flashed with a rampage bios while going against your own statement, makes me laugh. Is this an argument over a chipset or a bios software? Just check out the Maximus/Rampage thread and tell us how many guys/gals are running their systems with the Rampage bios because everyone knows the x38/x48 chipsets are one and the same? In fact, I could simply end this argument by flashing to a "Maximus bios" except for the fact that I returned the board since I no longer have a use for it.

Now, I'll advice you to go back and read all the posts before you make another comment because it seems to me there's a lot you're either misconstruing or simply do not comprehend.

Lest I forget, I'm not the only with a Maximus who is having success with a 45nm quad. Why I should point this out to you, beats me.

[ChaosMinionX]

I'm quoting your own statement to answer the bolded statements above:

Even a dim-witted high school kid understands your statement here: You're implying that only a "true" rampage is capable of the shots I posted, when I point you you to the x38 in the screen, you ignore it and come back spitting b**lsh*t. You can't flip-flop on your statement, at least you won't get that past me.

You have also demonstrated your naivete when it comes to overclocking because running a quad + 8GB kills your fsb. You once again shot yourself in the foot because you did mention NB but failed to see how tasking your NB by populating your 4 slots hampers it in high fsb situations.

If you thing 8x533 + 8GB Ram is a mean fit, please point me to a post anywhere in this forum where someone has achieved that, and on what platform?

Finally this is my original post: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=452

Notice how I said, 45nm cpus. Haven't I backed all that up?

Finally, your argument that my Maximus has been flashed with a rampage bios while going against your own statement, makes me laugh. Is this an argument over a chipset or a bios software? Just check out the Maximus/Rampage thread and tell us how many guys/gals are running their systems with the Rampage bios because everyone knows the x38/x48 chipsets are one and the same? In fact, I could simply end this argument by flashing to a "Maximus bios" except for the fact that I returned the board since I no longer have a use for it.

Now, I'll advice you to go back and read all the posts before you make another comment because it seems to me there's a lot you're either misconstruing or simply do not comprehend.

Lest I forget, I'm not the only with a Maximus who is having success with a 45nm quad. Why I should point this out to you, beats me.

Oh where to start?

Sorry to burst your bubbles but P35 clocks 45nm chips like s**t. @ LUCI5R: You should have gotten x38 at least with that 45nm quad.

You yourself state Quad, so I pointed it out.

Yes there has been a significant difference in overclocking ability of 45nm chips from the Maximus and Rampage... If you havent seen that yet on forums, then I suggest you take up reading rather than assuming they clock the same like you have been. Yes they are the same chip, no they do not Overclock the same for 45nm/65nm there are slight differences.... hell 10mhz seems to be making all the difference in the world as to whether or not people keep their 45nm chip, junk the board, or just stay/go back to 65nm....

You apparently dont even meet the requirements for a dimwitted high school kid to see that these problems in overclocking have been all over these forums, and the internet as a whole concerning x38/48, p35 when overclocking 45nm quad cores (namely X3350,Q9450)

I could start a poll now, and ask how many people with X38/X48 chipsets have gotten over 440mhz FSB, hell even just gotten to 440mhz and realized their board wont give them anything more. The rare case that someone, yourself included manages to get over that 440mhz wall others seem to be hitting with the Q9450/X3350 is just that, a rarity. The only board that consistently got over 450mhz and beyond was the G35 based P5E VM HDMI board and the majority of 790i based boards.

The sheer fact that you filled 4 DIMMs and got a high FSB means nothing, with voltage and proper cooling that should not be a problem, the chipset itself is rated for 8GB anyways at stock volts, and it responds very well to voltage (x38/x48).

And try doing your 8GB of ram with a quad, then tell me your FSB which you already posted was 475mhz which went down significantly from your 8400 screen which was 533mhz... you would be one of the rarities to get that on X38, it is not a common thing, nor is it a result of cooling/voltage/settings/knowledge of OCing, because none of them have worked for alot of people.

And you might wanna pick your words a little more carefully before you go and challenge someones ability to comprehend things, and re read what you were saying prior to me asking you where you have been for the past 2 months. Get off your horse.

[Loser777]

Are P35 boards any good for clocking Q9450? Or should I get a X48 for more FSB?

[ChaosMinionX]

Are P35 boards any good for clocking Q9450? Or should I get a X48 for more FSB?

I cant even really say X48 is going to help out with Q9450... I have used 2 X3350s and a Q9450 and all of them got stuck at 440mhz and not a mhz higher.

If you look around everyone is having the same problem, starting around C1 stepping, and apparently according to Asus the Maximus/Rampage and all boards prior to them are not approved to work with the C1 stepping chips, this has been discussed in the X3350 Arrival thread, as well as the main Maximus/Rampage thread.

It seems to be a BIOS issue, but again there is the rare case that someone makes it over 440mhz FSB, and then those people have varied success in getting it stable as well.

At 450mhz regardless of settings/voltages I cannot even get into Windows with any of these chips... on a regular Maximus Formula, and a Maximus that was flashed to rampage even using the higher NB/CPU Ref voltage, as well as cranking out the VTT. However the only time I am able to get into windows with 450x8 is using the 266mhz strap, and then it boots fine, but the stability is an issue then because 8GB kits dont handle being overclocked too much too well.

[Loser777]

Well, are P35 boards doing any better with C1?
Is this strictly a BIOS issue that will be patched in the future? 3.52GHz is major weaksauce...

[ChaosMinionX]

Well, are P35 boards doing any better with C1?
Is this strictly a BIOS issue that will be patched in the future? 3.52GHz is major weaksauce...

I am not sure, havent seen a whole lot of P35/45nm action, just some people bring it up from time to time in this thread, X3350 arrival, and the Maximus/Rampage thread.

It was said by a poster awhile back that Asus was aware of this 440mhz issue, and that they were going to release a BIOS to fix it, this was taken from a Danish site IIRC.

[Loser777]

Well, I'll guess I have to wait... $280 for a Rampage is a little steep on my budget so I hope cheaper boards will also be able to OC a Q9450.

[ChaosMinionX]

Well, I'll guess I have to wait... $280 for a Rampage is a little steep on my budget so I hope cheaper boards will also be able to OC a Q9450.

TBH... I am contemplating just holding out for Nehalem at this point, unless that new stepping of 45nm's changes OCing.

I was going to get a Rampage and retry my luck with those chips, but the gains vs price wasnt there unfortunately.

EDIT: Heres the post about current boards not supporting C1 stepping.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=457

[Loser777]

Nehalem will be WAAAYYY to expensive for me when it first comes out. TBH, $350 is the ABSOLUTE MAX I can pay for a CPU right now...
First I was going to get a Q6600, until the new batches started getting really really really ty, and now you're telling me 45nm chips are looking iffy too?

I just might get a Phenom...

However, this does look pretty convincing:

[ChaosMinionX]

Nehalem will be WAAAYYY to expensive for me when it first comes out. TBH, $350 is the ABSOLUTE MAX I can pay for a CPU right now...
First I was going to get a Q6600, until the new batches started getting really really really ty, and now you're telling me 45nm chips are looking iffy too?

I just might get a Phenom...

Phenom is even more iffy

45nm is a crapshoot whether or not you get a good clocker depending on board+chip combo....like I said previously the P5E VM HDMI and the X48's seem to be doing fine (varied success on actual X48's, as well as varied success on X38's, same goes for flashed Maximus---Rampages) The DFI boards, and 790i stuff seems to be clocking the best.

[Loser777]

I've heard the DFI X38 is worse than the P35 version.

I'm not really comfortable getting the P5E-VM, as MicroATX boards scare me. (Current board is a M2NPV-VM which was a horrifying experience)
Are you saying the (real x48 Rampage) isn't any better than the X38s?

P35s are pretty cheap now, so if they're my best bet they that's a win-win situation.

[ChaosMinionX]

I've heard the DFI X38 is worse than the P35 version.

I'm not really comfortable getting the P5E-VM, as MicroATX boards scare me. (Current board is a M2NPV-VM which was a horrifying experience)
Are you saying the (real x48 Rampage) isn't any better than the X38s?

P35s are pretty cheap now, so if they're my best bet they that's a win-win situation.

Nope, saying that X48 the real Rampage is "semi" doing better per individual result... not as many people using them, but the people that are using them are going all the way up to 480mhz FSB.... on the other hand the amount of people using Maximus Formula, and flashed MF's is a far greater number and the success concerning those in even going over 440mhz is very rare. A few users have been lucky, and able to go over 440mhz and all the way to 475mhz with ease.

The DFI boards (x38/x48) seem to have better success due to their ability to better control VTT/GTL settings over the Asus counterparts.

Again it could be coincidence and speculation.... however theres overwhelming evidence that says a few things...

Asus BIOS for 45nm Q9450/X3350 (C1) chips is non existant

X38/X48 just dont clock 45nm that well, despite being made for them? or the settings needed to clock them to their fullest are not present (although DFI has the most settings allowed for fine tuning the CPU, and still varied success)

The chips themselves just dont clock, but that wouldnt seem to be the case since most either get 440mhz FSB and nothing more, or they keep going into the 3.8ghz range.

Its quite odd.

[Zucker2k]

Oh where to start?



You yourself state Quad, so I pointed it out.

Yes there has been a significant difference in overclocking ability of 45nm chips from the Maximus and Rampage... If you havent seen that yet on forums, then I suggest you take up reading rather than assuming they clock the same like you have been. Yes they are the same chip, no they do not Overclock the same for 45nm/65nm there are slight differences.... hell 10mhz seems to be making all the difference in the world as to whether or not people keep their 45nm chip, junk the board, or just stay/go back to 65nm....

You apparently dont even meet the requirements for a dimwitted high school kid to see that these problems in overclocking have been all over these forums, and the internet as a whole concerning x38/48, p35 when overclocking 45nm quad cores (namely X3350,Q9450)

I could start a poll now, and ask how many people with X38/X48 chipsets have gotten over 440mhz FSB, hell even just gotten to 440mhz and realized their board wont give them anything more. The rare case that someone, yourself included manages to get over that 440mhz wall others seem to be hitting with the Q9450/X3350 is just that, a rarity. The only board that consistently got over 450mhz and beyond was the G35 based P5E VM HDMI board and the majority of 790i based boards.

The sheer fact that you filled 4 DIMMs and got a high FSB means nothing, with voltage and proper cooling that should not be a problem, the chipset itself is rated for 8GB anyways at stock volts, and it responds very well to voltage (x38/x48).

And try doing your 8GB of ram with a quad, then tell me your FSB which you already posted was 475mhz which went down significantly from your 8400 screen which was 533mhz... you would be one of the rarities to get that on X38, it is not a common thing, nor is it a result of cooling/voltage/settings/knowledge of OCing, because none of them have worked for alot of people.

And you might wanna pick your words a little more carefully before you go and challenge someones ability to comprehend things, and re read what you were saying prior to me asking you where you have been for the past 2 months. Get off your horse.

I'm not even going to reply your posts anymore; why? Read your reply again; it's all over the place. The reason why I suggested he went with x38 was because:

1. My own success
2. What I know to be a fact: the versatility of the x38/x48 chipset, expecially with the wide range of OC options and (possibly) better support for 45nm cpus.

Now, here is a little rampage action for ya. I ordered this open -box item from newegg, came yesterday. So I guess I'm a lucky guy huh?

Oh, that was with 8GB Ram

[ChaosMinionX]

You sir, have proven to me why you're an idiot. I'm not even going to reply your posts anymore; why? Read your reply again; it's all over the place. The reason why I suggested he went with x38 was because:

1. My own success
2. What I know to be a fact: the versatility of the x38/x48 chipset, expecially with the wide range of OC options and (possibly) better support for 45nm cpus.

Now, here is a little rampage action for ya. I ordered this open -box item from newegg, came yesterday. So I guess I'm a lucky guy huh?

Nope, its a Rampage.... Thank you for proving what I have been saying all along about "actual" Rampage users seeing 480mhz FSB.

The suggestion to X38 is that your own "success" is a rarity among the hundreds of 45nm/X38 users that cannot get over 440mhz, much less 450mhz FSB. So read other threads, and realize that your advice is based off something that does not happen widespread, while it might be semi founded advice, please do not base it off your own milestones with 45nm and X38 when the majority of others are not getting what you are getting.

And I will agree X38 and X48 are very versatile, however their current state of OCing 45nm is hit or miss.... more so on X38, X48 like you have shown, and Kensek in the X3350 thread have been getting 450mhz + no problem.

Your a very conceited person, I can tell by your postings... Seems to me your withdrawing due to the fact you probably took the time to read and realized what I was saying was true, and what you were rambling on about to be false.

Anyone could go back through the posts and realize what I was saying. They must speak English differently in MI is all I can assume...

EDIT: GD, get off the horse about the 8GB of RAM... I can post that too, it means nothing. Increase of voltage and having good RAM, thats real hard to do.

[Zucker2k]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=455

Hey Noob, so you have a good cpu And aren't you the one jumping to conclusions because all I see is YOUR claim of success? At least I can make the statement I made because I have made observations; you on the other hand is saying: Look at my success. The X38/48 chipset is superior to the P35 in all respects. Period.

Edit: Oh, I could point to my overclocks too but I'll pass.

[ChaosMinionX]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=455

This could go on forever...

This is based on observation and user input. Notice I said 45nm?

Hey Noob, so you have a good cpu And aren't you the one jumping to conclusions because all I see is YOUR claim of success? At least I can make the statement I made because I have made observations; you on the other hand is saying: Look at my success. The X38/48 chipset is superior to the P35 in all respects. Period.

Edit: Oh, I could point to my overclocks too but I'll pass.

You called out Cob on the same thing, you yourself are doing now..... Making a claim based solely on "YOUR claim of success"

Really, the fact that you have SS with all these wondrous OC's using 45nm Quads and the chipsets in question is great, and congrats to you.... However its not helping the general populous of people using them and not having your success, or anywhere near it.... All in all between the various forums theres maybe a dozen X38 users and Q9450/X3350 that have gotten over 3.6ghz.

EDIT: Since you edited your post, X38 isnt doing much better currently with 45nm Quads than P35 is doing....so really its a moot point as to which chipset is better for them.... However if your taking into consideration that you might want PCIE2.0, True PCIE2.0 16x lanes, and hell you just want more BIOS options, then yes the X38/48 are superior....but on the basis of 45nm clocking? Whos to say, there is varied success all over the place right now.

[ChaosMinionX]

Just shut up and enjoy that screenshot: You asked for it.

No need to become uncivil in this discussion, I have not once told you to "shut up"... Not in the best interest of the discussion to start that off....

Its a nice SS, it might halfway make me buy a Rampage and a new set of 45nm Quads to see if they do any better in comparison to my Maximus.

EDIT: I am still between going to 45nm and attempting a 3.8ghz clock or better....or just saying to hell with it and waiting on Nehalem. Any suggestions?

[Zucker2k]

No need to become uncivil in this discussion, I have not once told you to "shut up"... Not in the best interest of the discussion to start that off....

Its a nice SS, it might halfway make me buy a Rampage and a new set of 45nm Quads to see if they do any better in comparison to my Maximus.

Ok, I apologize. But you just have to read people's postings before hitting the reply button. Did you notice the bolded x38/x48? What does that tell you? And how do you reconcile that with your own proclamations? Obviously, you came to the party late.

[Zucker2k]

EDIT: I am still between going to 45nm and attempting a 3.8ghz clock or better....or just saying to hell with it and waiting on Nehalem. Any suggestions?

Gimme your money and I'll give you my hardware and then MAYBE you'll become a believer. Afterall hardware does count!

[SoulsCollective]

Enough. Thread reported for cleaning.

We don't care about the relative size of your e-penii. This is the Q9450 OC/Temps/Settings thread, not the P35 vs X38/48 thread.

[Sparda]

Gimme your money and I'll give you my hardware and then MAYBE you'll become a believer. Afterall hardware does count!

lmao...I really did that ....probably test the thing for 500 fsb some time next month during my long holiday...chill out mate.

[Zucker2k]

lmao...I really did that ....probably test the thing for 500 fsb some time next month during my long holiday...chill out mate.

Shipped it yesterday (express), should be there in a couple of days. Waiting for that "show off" screenie. Are you going to put it through some hardcore cooling?

[STEvil]

I finally figured out how to get my P5K-DLX over 450fsb.

SetFSB!

451mhz lol... 452 crashes.

[The Nemesis]

I'm not really comfortable getting the P5E-VM, as MicroATX boards scare me. (Current board is a M2NPV-VM which was a horrifying experience)
.

If you get the P5E-VM you won't be disappointed. I have three micro atx boards, abit fataility IHD-90, Asus P5K-VM & the P5E-VM HDMI. The Abit is the worst clocker and many boards had a sudden death issue. The two Asus boards have been superb. If you look around, which I did, its the most successful board @ clocking the C1 Q9450. No gtl settings, just increase nb, vtt, pll and your done. My results were obtained with ease. Took all of 15 minutes to figure out what was needed. It's nothing fancy but at least it has a raid controller. Not expensive either

[ChaosMinionX]

Enough. Thread reported for cleaning.

We don't care about the relative size of your e-penii. This is the Q9450 OC/Temps/Settings thread, not the P35 vs X38/48 thread.

Most of it had direct correlation to the Q9450..... it had nothing to do with e-penis size.