The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[gonx_me]

so 1102 is newer than 1201?

At least the date publish in the ftp, the 1102 is 10 days newer. If it is really newer or not, i can't tell you.

Best regards,

[jonathankru]

Hi Guys i have been really struggling to get my qx6850 stable @ 4Ghz.
I can get it to boot into Vista @ 4.0Ghz with just 1.488V but it is not stable.
I have tried setting the vcore right up to 1.55 and it still is unstable.
About 1 sec into prime it will give me BSOD and restart. If you look at the attached images you will see most of my voltage settings from everest.
Cpu pll in bios:1.62
FSB termination in bios: 1.42

Can anyone see what i am doing wrong? My Specs are in my signature.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...<br /> <br />http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1210937688

Thanks

[Dostoyevsky77]

I think all new MF boards are inferior quality. Recently, I exchanged a newly-purchased board because it appeared to have a flaw where the VRM (mosfet) heatsinks near the rear I/O ports were pushed too close to the CPU. I had to bend the fins and the heat pipe just to mount my Tuniq. I sent it back so I could get one I could sell since I had defaced it a little (I bent it back as much as possible, but it still looked ganked). Anyway, the return board was exactly the same. Looking at the heatsinks and components on the new boards compared to my board from 2007, the newer one appears to have cheaper components. They are more shiny, but they look cheap and plasticky (like the HS/pipes). When I was running that new board (the second one, not the third one), the NB temperature was also about 5(c) hotter than my 2007 board.

All boards are 1.03G and all PCBs are printed in China.

Good thing my problem wasn't with my 2007 board, but unfortunately my PSU incident seems to have corrupted my memory (memtest returns some - but few - errors and Orthos doesn't like to run for more than a couple hours). I'm on my second RMA through NewEgg to get a batch of Ballistix that work as well as the ones that were bulletproof. I may have finally run out of luck running that RAM on this board. Maybe it was just a really good batch that I had...

[OVERK|LL]

I think all new MF boards are inferior quality. Recently, I exchanged a newly-purchased board because it appeared to have a flaw where the VRM (mosfet) heatsinks near the rear I/O ports were pushed too close to the CPU. I had to bend the fins and the heat pipe just to mount my Tuniq. I sent it back so I could get one I could sell since I had defaced it a little (I bent it back as much as possible, but it still looked ganked). Anyway, the return board was exactly the same. Looking at the heatsinks and components on the new boards compared to my board from 2007, the newer one appears to have cheaper components. They are more shiny, but they look cheap and plasticky (like the HS/pipes). When I was running that new board (the second one, not the third one), the NB temperature was also about 5(c) hotter than my 2007 board.

All boards are 1.03G and all PCBs are printed in China.

Good thing my problem wasn't with my 2007 board, but unfortunately my PSU incident seems to have corrupted my memory (memtest returns some - but few - errors and Orthos doesn't like to run for more than a couple hours). I'm on my second RMA through NewEgg to get a batch of Ballistix that work as well as the ones that were bulletproof. I may have finally run out of luck running that RAM on this board. Maybe it was just a really good batch that I had...

Interesting! My PCB is printed in Taiwan.

[erocker]

NB volts look way to low for 4GBs and a quad core imo.
I would up the volts to maybe 1.49 and retest

Is this pretty universal? I'm running 4 x 1gb sticks of axeram 1200, in my maximus and my NB volts are around 1.45. I too have had a couple restarts (over a month or so) since installing 4gb's. I will give 1.49 a try though, thanks for the info!

On another note, am I not the only one becoming confused with the latest bios numbering for this board?

[trt740]

Is this pretty universal? I'm running 4 x 1gb sticks of axeram 1200, in my maximus and my NB volts are around 1.45. I too have had a couple restarts (over a month or so) since installing 4gb's. I will give 1.49 a try though, thanks for the info!

On another note, am I not the only one becoming confused with the latest bios numbering for this board?

Erocker convert your maximus it will do alot higher fsb with the Rampage bios and runs alot better aswell. The whole Rampage is has a higher binned chipset is BS my MF converted to a Ramage matches it's fsb FSB , as a Rampages my board now does 570fsb . It is all just bios. They made a new and better bios and Flashed Maximus Formulas just as we are. I believe they are intentionally hold back the Maximus formula boards in the bios to sell Rampages. My Maximus formula before the flash would do 490FSB to 510Fsb. It now does 533fsb to 570fsb. I cannot believe a class action suit hasn't been filed against Asus yet or DFi for that matter.

[Grnfinger]

Is this pretty universal? I'm running 4 x 1gb sticks of axeram 1200, in my maximus and my NB volts are around 1.45. I too have had a couple restarts (over a month or so) since installing 4gb's. I will give 1.49 a try though, thanks for the info!

On another note, am I not the only one becoming confused with the latest bios numbering for this board?

4x1GBs of ram will tax the NB alot harder than 2 sticks, if at 1.49 you still have the odd restart you may need to go to about 1.51 1.53 or so.
Aslong as your NB temps stay respectable dont worry to much about going in the "yellow" voltage zone

It seems the bios's are getting out of order I'm not sure if we have a few inacurate posters or if Asus has been sniffing glue

Maybe someone could post a comparison on the 2 new bios 1201 / 1104 ??

[Nuckin_Futs]

Anybody notice if there are good and or better batches of the Q9450? I got my SLAWR 10 days ago batch # L803B524.

Recap, what are we finding is the fair to safe high end vcore on these and PLL? What are some user examples at 4GHz?

[ZenEffect]

Anybody notice if there are good and or better batches of the Q9450? I got my SLAWR 10 days ago batch # L803B524.

Recap, what are we finding is the fair to safe high end vcore on these and PLL? What are some user examples at 4GHz?

honestly i havent found any 4ghz 24/7's of this cpu. im assuming its a bit rare, and too much hassle for me to play the exchange game to get one.

[newls1]

Please, can someone tell me if the newer RF4xx bioses are proving to be a better BIOS then my current 0219RF bios? Thanks.

[XtremeTiramisu]

Please, can someone tell me if the newer RF4xx bioses are proving to be a better BIOS then my current 0219RF bios? Thanks.

For me and most of others, it's better in terms of stability. The DET RAM hang issue is completely eliminated in the MF 1201 or RF 04xx bioses. If you have the symptom that I've described in the above, you should give RF 04xx a try.

[newls1]

For me and most of others, it's better in terms of stability. The DET RAM hang issue is completely eliminated in the MF 1201 or RF 04xx bioses. If you have the symptom that I've described in the above, you should give RF 04xx a try.

I do not have any issues with the DET hang issue (never had with my board) but I am going with the 403 RF bios as it says it fixes ram compatabilty, so I am hoping that maybe I can get a better OC with my 8GB G.Skill PC8500 ram. I'm still using the 219bios, and that is the first release bios for the RF, so maybe this will improve apon things Thanks

[Sparda]

Erocker convert your maximus it will do alot higher fsb with the Rampage bios and runs alot better aswell. The whole Rampage is has a higher binned chipset is BS my MF converted to a Ramage matches it's fsb FSB , as a Rampages my board now does 570fsb . It is all just bios. They made a new and better bios and Flashed Maximus Formulas just as we are. I believe they are intentionally hold back the Maximus formula boards in the bios to sell Rampages. My Maximus formula before the flash would do 490FSB to 510Fsb. It now does 533fsb to 570fsb. I cannot believe a class action suit hasn't been filed against Asus yet or DFi for that matter.

It all just marketing m8. Btw If I am not mistaken both company are in Taiwan so they does not bind to US law. It like RIAA vs Pirate Bay. If anybody in other country want to do something. All they just can do is to block , sabotage or boycott the product which doesnt going to happen to a good mobo.

edit : it sucks for Torrent Spy to have base in US....lol

[Nuckin_Futs]

Q9450 Breakin in? I am getting ready to run some test on the new Q9450. So far it was an easy change over into MF BETA v1004. Started in auto vcore and ratio, everything left as was from my 480x8 profile excep RAM was tightened to DDR800 timings of 4-4-4-12 on the same 5:6 divider. I didn't get any DET_RAM issues eithers (Same Crucial Ballisitx PC2-8500's.

I wanna' work up to 480FSB again, so what is a likely needed vcore rang for that height? What other app then RightMark can read the 45nm Quads to display VID? Auto started as 333x8 at 1.190v and PLL of 1.616v What are you guys finding or hearing is a medium PLL to maintain higher FSB with 45nm quads? I was using 1.632 PLL for a year and a half now on my Q6600 but I now they needed it for 470+.

Some feedback would be cool, especially from fella Q9450 overclockiers.

[FrancoisC]

At least the date publish in the ftp, the 1102 is 10 days newer. If it is really newer or not, i can't tell you.

Best regards,

I checked with a HEX editor,

On 1102 its "$ASUSAMI$.MAXIMUS.1102.04/02/2008-17:27:32.Bearlake.Formula.ASUS.rombuild414"

On 1201 its "$ASUSAMI$.MAXIMUS.1201.04/23/2008-21:08:07.Bearlake.Formula.ASUS.rombuild414"

So 1201 i definitly newer... they just uploaded 1102 late it seems!

PS: If you want to see for yourself, just open the bios with any hex editor and search text string "2008"

[Milamber]

What are the benefits of using the rampage BIOS over the P5E?

And can you use any Rampage BIOS?

[Nuckin_Futs]

Just curious here. In BETA BIOS v1004 and Q9450 under Everest 4.50.13xx and core Temp, I get high looking temp reads from stock 333 of 1.90v to 1.290v @ 425x8 yet BIOS repots cores averaged to 29c stock and now 33c at 425FSB @ 1.29v. Yet Everest still shows 35c core 4 and 45c 1~3. and they hold through various FSB overclock tests. They do move if I load yet, mobo temp is cool and actual pipes at base barely warm up and everything is smooth. So is this a 45nm, Penrin or Yorkfield issue?

Anybody?

EDIT: O.K. It seams to hit the FSB wall just above 455FSB for me but I only gave it 1.48v max so far, till I learn more of the safe voltage ranges for these. Temp was only 38c (4 cores averaged in BIOS). Again, the reason I stress peepz reporting with used actual voltages, my FSBT when left set as previously to 1.40v to give me 1.472 actual for Q6600 became much less now and took setting of 1.46 to get 1.37v.

[aussie-revhead]

Guys , Im not happy with the clocks on my q6600 and I want to keep going with my Rampaged Formula , what cpu would you guy get for benching ? QX9650 would be the obvious best choice but way too dear for me , how well do these mobos clock 45nm quads ? Can I get one to 4GHz on water ?

Any help would be great.

[Dostoyevsky77]

I have a weird situation: Recently, I added a non-SLI 9600GT to my system to run my secondary display. Last night, I took it out to compare benches. After I put it back in, BIOS gives me a "Keyboard/IO Error: Press F1 to continue" error. If I press F1, everything is fine but it's weird: why is this? Has anyone seen this before?

I've tried these: resetting CMOS, removing the 9600GT, reseating all other components, removing all USB except the keyboard, and trying the keyboard in different USBs.

[WFO]

Can I get one to 4GHz on water ?

Any help would be great.

Probably not. 3.6-3-8 is much more realistic.

[Grnfinger]

I think my Maximus is on its way out......
When cold booting LCD poster sits at "USBFINAL" for a very very long time then when fianlly boots to vista USB printer is not working, USB card reader is not working.
Xbox 360 controller wont work and Guitar Hero controller is not working.
This could be my last Asus board for a long time.

[ZenEffect]

I think my Maximus is on its way out......
When cold booting LCD poster sits at "USBFINAL" for a very very long time then when fianlly boots to vista USB printer is not working, USB card reader is not working.
Xbox 360 controller wont work and Guitar Hero controller is not working.
This could be my last Asus board for a long time.

reason im done with asus is
#1 never got a response ever from customer support
#2 3.3v kept dropping over time to 3.28 to 3.2 to 3.18... thats when i pulled the board.
#3 i feel asus is intentionally holding back features that could be implemented through bios and is on other boards.



other than that its been a great board.

another disturbing thing though... my dfi board had a sticker on it that said "made in china"
my e7200 i got yesterday would not post but q6600 would on dfi, e7200 would not post on either asus or dfi *mabye bios issue... mabye doa*

either way i gotta flash back to maximus, rma the board then sell it.

[OVERK|LL]

reason im done with asus is
#1 never got a response ever from customer support
#2 3.3v kept dropping over time to 3.28 to 3.2 to 3.18... thats when i pulled the board.
#3 i feel asus is intentionally holding back features that could be implemented through bios and is on other boards.



other than that its been a great board.

another disturbing thing though... my dfi board had a sticker on it that said "made in china"
my e7200 i got yesterday would not post but q6600 would on dfi, e7200 would not post on either asus or dfi *mabye bios issue... mabye doa*

either way i gotta flash back to maximus, rma the board then sell it.

What features are you thinking are being held back?

[ZenEffect]

What features are you thinking are being held back?

fine gtl control is the main thing...

[Grnfinger]

I have had this Maximus since November 2k7, seems once you sort one bug out another comes along the way.
Just flashed the board back to MF bios 1201, WOW what a performance hit on the boot time, I'm calling Asus now to start the RMA process I have an SE so I will get a Maximus Extreme, looks like I get to go DDR3
Still going to get the DFI once you post me some results