How Intel Will Lock Overclocking on LGA1160 (Mainstream Nehalem) - Fud

[R101]

I think Bloomfield will be so much faster than anything else that 400$ for it will be considered a steal.. And we have yet to see the pricing and the binning of the mainstream Nehalems.

[mrcape]

Shakes head The Enthusiast market grew and gained ground because all computer parts got or became cheaper, not just CPU. The first Pentium 100MHz Processor I but clearance was reduced from it original price of $1,364.36 or something like, I jumped for joy since I only paid $500 $450 for my next AMD processor was steal. The Market crash brought in the largest influx of Newbies.

Folks in it for Bang for the Buck, cheap wise, aren't shopping for Nehalem until late 2009 in the first place. Most news printed so far has made that clear. Folks shopping Bang For The Performance Buck will absolutely look at how much they can get out of Nehalem Overclocked or not. The point is that Bang For the Buck has more than one meaning. Looking at most folks' systems, $200 isn't close to the average Enthusiast's budget!

Your average enthusiast statement is what I took issue with. Look at the Launch price of the X2 as the cheapest X3800 sold for about what Nehalem shipped at. Then also look at the first Intel Quad Core prices? $200 wayy unrealistic for any even mid ranged Quad Core. Again, they're talking Nehalem QUAD CORE, not Dual Core and since YOU SAID $200, that's ridiculous! If most enthusiast saw $200 as being close to average, AMD's X2 wouldn't sold at all=P I wasn't trying to start trash AMD rant!

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I see your point that over time the prices will probably take a similar dip. It's just that we've had it so good for the past couple C2D years and the AMD years before that... got spoiled maybe.

Wait and see I guess.

[Frank M]

You know there are some folks posting here who are worse than Fudo and that Shacoocoo guy. Fugger and the gang are about Xtreme Overclocking, not Bang for Buck overclocking, that's some other site, not this one. Thanks Dewd for clearing this up.

Nice...
*looks at sig*
So, you think people like me don't belong here?
Well, I have a vmodded gpu with water, running +50%, and even though
your hw and it's speeds are not displayed, I'd guess it's a higher percentile
than yours. Am I not an overclocker because I'm not buying the expensive
stuff?
Dude, put your fanboi-glasses down and try to look at this a bit more
objectively. However you want to twist it, this is a lame move.
I hope there will be some way to circumvent this lock.

[adamsleath]

yeah; there certainly have been a lot of very expensive chips prior to now..intel 'X's amd x2's, etc etc etc.; no surprise that first nehalem bf chippies will be at a price premium, as they will be in front of anything else on the market.

there will be a value gem in the line up somewhere down the track i'm sure; there always is; i dont mind waiting, patience is very very cheap.
very

[AliG]

According to that(fastest CPU), no one would use Phenoms/A64s right now, which is false.

no you said if core 2 couldn't oc everyone would be using amd cpus, which just isn't true. No matter who's in the lead, there's always going to be fanboys and people who can't afford top performance as you pointed out, but also I was simply stating that core 2 still has a huge advantage over k8 even if it couldn't oc

[Donnie27]

Nice...
*looks at sig*
So, you think people like me don't belong here?
Well, I have a vmodded gpu with water, running +50%, and even though
your hw and it's speeds are not displayed, I'd guess it's a higher percentile
than yours. Am I not an overclocker because I'm not buying the expensive
stuff?
Dude, put your fanboi-glasses down and try to look at this a bit more
objectively. However you want to twist it, this is a lame move.
I hope there will be some way to circumvent this lock.

Please note, my system is running at stock speed. I have a plain Jane 3870 (may add another later) and not SLI. The only 3rd party device I have is a Ninja Cooler leftover when from when I was overclocking. I'm going for and got a pretty quiet system without water cooling!

Why am I here then? Because I love to see others overclock. It's like watching a drag race. Then getting my standard Pick-up and driving home. Oh, the Sig was copied only for its wise crack-back, NOT the subject LOL!

I'll keep my Fanboi glasses on thank you very much. I say that because you sure as hell will not take off your Green Goggles LOL! For you to try and say I twisted something that is a plain FACT is a joke and it kills your credibility I'm not twisting anything here!

Q6600 sold for less than the X2 3800 did right up until the Conroe launched. They seemed like a Bargain after folks got used to across the Board High Priced AMD X2 price. No, we sure as hell aren't talking prices after INTEL forced AMD to cut them. Or are you one of those hopeless Fanbois who thinks AMD loves you and did you a favor?

[Donnie27]

I see your point that over time the prices will probably take a similar dip. It's just that we've had it so good for the past couple C2D years and the AMD years before that... got spoiled maybe.

Wait and see I guess.

C2D spoiled us, not X2 that is the point. I'm sorry but if Intel's C2D was dud, AMD would try to sell us the bottom rung processor at the 3800+ May 2006 levels. Maybe the other guy would rather forget but most of us haven't. I'm NOT the only one who bitc#ed about AMD's Price structure. Nehalem earily models will cost more but last thing I saw, Intel wasn't shipping the low end models until later. So it is not like we're talking low-end for $400.

Overclocking. I got preached to by Experts when I tried to just say "guys the FSB isn't that bad for the Desktop. It is flexible ......... I still laugh when I think about one line from that thread. "I don't think you understand" LOL. Locked or Not, Nehalem is a steal compared to other processors that shipped in the $400 range. It remains to be seen if the other processors can overclock high enough to out perform it and that's all I tried to say from the start. In that old thread I told guys "the FSB is more flexible". Hell, I'd love a Dual core model and still run 4 threads

[mrcape]

Nehalem earily models will cost more but last thing I saw, Intel wasn't shipping the low end models until later. So it is not like we're talking low-end for $400.

Well if that's the case then bring it on.

[biftek.]

You guys missed the point, sure the procs are gonna cost 400 at entry level, but the mobo's not having to include the NB will be reduced in price.
Plus DDR3 will come down in price as well.

Also, all these prices are release prices. They are bound to fall after a few months and I'm sure most of us could hold on to our C2D setups for a bit longer. I mean how many of you were really considering upgrading the day of release? Plus you have to factor in any last minute issues that will arise, which are bound too, and the initial performance gains.

[villa1n]

Hmmmm I have a different take on this. I personally think that by using the PLLs they are going to use that as a lynchpin against motherboard manufactuers by forcing them to pay some sort of royalty in order to get overclocking motherboards.

Specifically to me this sounds like a means to effectively lock out nvidia from the enthusiast market and force them to give SLI liscenses to Intel.

That along with the mainstream segment they are targetting, with their millions of dollars of marketing r&d that gives them the pricepoints and performance numbers they need to meet... makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Intel is not a person.
Its a company responsible to shareholders, and their only concern is to keep a good public image while making as much money as possible, the latter being more important than the former.. remember they are not your friend, its fun to personify them, and indeed they want you to ascribe human traits..but they are a company that is making money, and if you view their decisions with that in mind, this is a very wise decision on their part. Amd is no different, just intel happens to be in the drivers seat atm with tech and marketshare.

[Nuker_]

If you can't unlock this, I'm probably staying with my q6600 for a little while longer.

[cegras]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if intel locked overclocking. Early back then you had to use pencil mods to close points on AMD's athlon xp's.

Remember, you're a laughable minority here at this forum, and furthermore, you hardly make up any significant fraction of sales for intel. It's the hard truth - intel doesn't really care about any of you. And it's probably going to stay that way.

[savantu]

I wonder what's the basis for this rumor.IMO , OC Nehalem will be very similar to K8/K10 , nothing different.
Intel knows the power of the enthusiasts , the bad press they can bring and sure as hell won't upset the status quo.

[Frank M]

Please note, my system is running at stock speed.

I'll keep my Fanboi glasses on thank you very much. I say that because you sure as hell will not take off your Green Goggles LOL! For you to try and say I twisted something that is a plain FACT is a joke and it kills your credibility I'm not twisting anything here!

Q6600 sold for less than the X2 3800 did right up until the Conroe launched. They seemed like a Bargain after folks got used to across the Board High Priced AMD X2 price. No, we sure as hell aren't talking prices after INTEL forced AMD to cut them. Or are you one of those hopeless Fanbois who thinks AMD loves you and did you a favor?

Dude, this argument of yours is pathetic.
First you are saying I don't belong here while your system is not even oc'd.
Then you accuse ME of AMD-fanboyism. Strange, I don't see any AMD or
AMD/ATi products in my system.

Were dual-cores expensive back then? Sure; but were there other options,
too? Of course, there were the SC Athlon64s and the s754 Semprons, which
were the cheapest platform then and still oc'd - and there were also the
ancient ones, like the Barton I had up to my current system, and in the
single-threaded world, it still performed fine enough to get by. So this
argument of yours is beside the point. The point is that this is not a nice
move by Intel and would piss off a large group of oc'ers.

Having to pay $400 just for an oc-able cpu? That's a bit too much, if that
turns out to be true, then I'll stay with the cheaper Yorkfields or I'll go
back to AMD if they can bring out something worthwhile.

[Macadamia]

Donnie27 does not get the primitive idea of relative pricing.

Remember, Intel themselves dug their "spoiled" market with the Q6600 $200 pricing, and sub $200 E8k/7k pricing.

[Hornet331]

Donnie27 does not get the primitive idea of relative pricing.

Remember, Intel themselves dug their "spoiled" market with the Q6600 $200 pricing, and sub $200 E8k/7k pricing.

and if the release a nahalem based quad which performes better then A Q6600 for nearly the same price, 98% of the "spoiled" consumers will be happy.

[skindogg]

I have to admit, if a nub like me can turn a 2.4ghz C2Q into a 3.2ghz folding powerhouse for $200 and a bios setting change, we've definitely been spoiled. I would be surprised if it continued with Nehalem, but I definitely wouldn't complain if it did.

[Donnie27]

You guys missed the point, sure the procs are gonna cost 400 at entry level, but the mobo's not having to include the NB will be reduced in price.
Plus DDR3 will come down in price as well.

Also, all these prices are release prices. They are bound to fall after a few months and I'm sure most of us could hold on to our C2D setups for a bit longer. I mean how many of you were really considering upgrading the day of release? Plus you have to factor in any last minute issues that will arise, which are bound too, and the initial performance gains.

So give use a link showing Intel will be shipping low-end first? Low-en processors have never shipped first from Intel or AMD=P So we're supposed to believe now that Low Nehalems will all of a sudden change that trend? Note* There's been almost no talk of Dual Core models, I don't think Intel going to only sell Quads Surely the Dual Core processing four threads should be faster than current Quads because of it IMC and faster Clock speed at stock.

Nehalem is a microarchitecture that will eventually replace the Core microarchitecture used in the company's current product line, and will initially be manufactured using the same 45-nanometer process that's currently used to produce Intel's top-line Penryn family of chips. The first Nehalem chips that get released will be designed for servers and high-end desktops.

This has been repeated repeatedly!

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=1025

It appears that the rumors about Intel’s next major microprocessor “Nehalem” being a huge juggernaut may be true according to leaked documents from Sun Microsystems (removed Sunday night). The slides appear to be inadvertently placed on Sun’s publicly accessible website and “jokerman” posted the link on Aceshardware (thanks to tip from ZDNet reader JumpingJack). The slides looks like the real thing meant for Intel’s partners and they’re probably well known in the server industry.

It’s noteworthy that the C2D E6600 2.4 GHz dual core Conroe which has a list price of $316 is able to beat the fastest AMD AM2-based FX-62 processor which costs around $1000. There have been rumors of large price drops on AMD processors but it will be interesting to see what AMD’s

I was only saying that the $400 range was given for what will end up being the MID-RANGE not a Budget processor at all. It will be the equivalent to the E64/6600 or Northwood 2.6GHz when it, the 2.8 and 3GHz models shipped and the Other cheaper models of these shipped much later, hell, 6 to 8 months later. I could be wrong, I'm not an expert but just following what both of them have done in the Past. I'm curious about the Dual Core models as well

[Donnie27]

That along with the mainstream segment they are targetting, with their millions of dollars of marketing r&d that gives them the pricepoints and performance numbers they need to meet... makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Intel is not a person.
Its a company responsible to shareholders, and their only concern is to keep a good public image while making as much money as possible, the latter being more important than the former.. remember they are not your friend, its fun to personify them, and indeed they want you to ascribe human traits..but they are a company that is making money, and if you view their decisions with that in mind, this is a very wise decision on their part. Amd is no different, just intel happens to be in the drivers seat atm with tech and marketshare.

QFT!

[Donnie27]

Donnie27 does not get the primitive idea of relative pricing.

Remember, Intel themselves dug their "spoiled" market with the Q6600 $200 pricing, and sub $200 E8k/7k pricing.

Donnie27 does get it, you don't Q6600 didn't start out at $200. If it did, I'd have made different comments.

[Donnie27]

Dude, this argument of yours is pathetic.
First you are saying I don't belong here while your system is not even oc'd.
Then you accuse ME of AMD-fanboyism. Strange, I don't see any AMD or
AMD/ATi products in my system.

Were dual-cores expensive back then? Sure; but were there other options,
too? Of course, there were the SC Athlon64s and the s754 Semprons, which
were the cheapest platform then and still oc'd - and there were also the
ancient ones, like the Barton I had up to my current system, and in the
single-threaded world, it still performed fine enough to get by. So this
argument of yours is beside the point. The point is that this is not a nice
move by Intel and would piss off a large group of oc'ers.

Having to pay $400 just for an oc-able cpu? That's a bit too much, if that
turns out to be true, then I'll stay with the cheaper Yorkfields or I'll go
back to AMD if they can bring out something worthwhile.

Please, snap out of it, wake up!? I have Intel and AMD products and will have them irrespective of what you say. I replied in Fanboy manner because it is what I was called=P The rest of what you're saying makes little to no sense so I'll not even bother!

For everyone else not sleep walking, Intel processors will run into the same overclocking woes that have plagued AMD and no locks will be necessary. It is the simple difference between Slower less complex but more flexible FSB, or Complex, much faster but less flexible QPI!

[Trunks]

Donnie next time press the "multi-quote" plz

[Frank M]

Please, snap out of it, wake up!?

The rest of what you're saying makes little to no sense so I'll not even bother!

1/10, FAILtroll is FAIL, NO U!, etc.

You were not even trying to understand - which means a rational argument
is useless with you. Happy trolling, I'm getting out

[Donnie27]

1/10, FAILtroll is FAIL, NO U!, etc.

You were not even trying to understand - which means a rational argument
is useless with you. Happy trolling, I'm getting out

You're the troll!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...FSB+bad&page=7

Same thing has already been posted! Up yours' buddy!

[Hornet331]

1/10, FAILtroll is FAIL, NO U!, etc.

You were not even trying to understand - which means a rational argument
is useless with you. Happy trolling, I'm getting out

nobody can help you, if you take a general statement personally and let yourself get offended by it.