The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[adrenaline7879]

the regulars in the forums has doen wonders for me and this board. thank you all and keep up the great work. been thinkin about getting some pc-8500 2X2gb ram and put my tracers to the side for an HTPC in the future before they crap out on me. there doin great right now at 1081 but not sure if i should wait for them to go out or just get new ram now and save them for a different board. been lookin into corsair and gskill alot but cant decide

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gskill

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although corsair are also good *notices furious salesman*

[ZenEffect]

you know its binned at 1200MHZ, total crap it is not...end user frustrated it is.

tony = yoda?

im scared.

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Anyone point out the CPU, VDIMM test point via pic please, I'm going off board on auto atm.

Overvaults like crazy & don't trust early bios.

[erocker]

Next time don't quote the whole ing page noob and ur comment is also very much useless and not helpful.

Wow, not only is this post unhelpful, it's quite insulting as well. Do you judge all people by thier post-count? ..and you call him a n00b! Trt, I think you seriously just have a bad stick of ram, try running memtest on them.

[beard]

Why don't you just send the ram back if it's defective as you suggest?

[ZenEffect]

That is crap ram . You should not have to stand on your head to get ram to run right. what your asking is crazy. When other companies make ram that works out of the box. Ocz forum has several posts about this problem or I should say had until they were deleted.

is it crazy to assume that you might have to take the extra steps to get the ram to run right considering you are using a modded board? have you tried that ram in other motherboards? its a bit unfair to lable ocz as the culpurate before fully testing to see where the root of the problem actually lies... weather it be in the asus bios, or in the actual sticks of ram themselves. according to what tony said, it seems more a fault of the asus bios rather than the ram. if the ram were bad, then there would not be a tweak to get them to run properly. i have some kingston hyperx pc-8500 that will not run anything but 800mhz in an ip35 pro (girlfriends puter) and yet i have no problem clocking them beyond 1200mhz on my machine. before labling something as "crap" perhaps the end user should determine the actual root of the problem

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there are loads of documented compatability issues between ram & mobo's, to blame ram outright is silly

[beard]

I must warn you maximus/rampage owners: for the second time the board switched vtt to 2.00V all by itself. I'm glad i noticed it both times before pressing f10. It's caused by (extremely) unstable settings. Beware!

First time it happened (4 days ago), i used MF1004 bios. The second time (half an hour ago) was with RF0219 bios. Settings was totally different. First time i used just stupid settings (was my 3rd day with the board), now i'm searching for min voltages.

Sorry if this issue has already been discussed, 5k posts you know...

[trt740]

you know its binned at 1200MHZ, total crap it is not...end user frustrated it is.

You may have to set the board up differently to mine, i had issues over 1040 till i spent time with skew and tRD...maybe you just have to do the same.

I can not spoon feed exact settings as every board is different, you may just need to keep tweaking

I was wrong and being new at computer building I didn't consider all the things you have mentioned. You guys have shown me the error in my ways. If you have a Rampage buy this ram your gonna love it. It fast as hell even at DDR2 800

[Dostoyevsky77]

Hey, guys! I just got my RMA MF. You may be interested to know that it shipped with 1006!!!

Well, first things first is turn this baby back into an RF.

[beard]

@ trt740: Well you must take a look in the mirror if you wasn't even sure what the ram is spec'd for.

EDIT: you keep editing your posts all the time, now my post kind of lost its meaning...

[ZenEffect]

Hey, guys! I just got my RMA MF. You may be interested to know that it shipped with 1006!!!

Well, first things first is turn this baby back into an RF.

that was a rather fast rma let us know how this mobo performs compared to the last, its interesting to see if there is a noticable difference switching motherboards though they are supposed to be the exact same.

[Grnfinger]

Hey, guys! I just got my RMA MF. You may be interested to know that it shipped with 1006!!!

Well, first things first is turn this baby back into an RF.

That was a fast RMA, is Asus still doing cross shipping?
I thought they stopped that, they wanted to test every board b4 sending out a new one.

[trt740]

Well you must take a look in the mirror if you wasn't even sure what the ram is spec'd for.

EDIT: you keep editing you posts all the time, now my post kind of lost its meaning...

As I said i'm new at computer building and now understand it was unfair to say that the OCZ ram was crap. I now realize it must be me and highly recommend to anyone that they should give it a try. The ram is speced for DDR2 1150 55515t2 and binned at DDR2 1200 as Tony has said.

[beard]

No you were totally sarcastic like "guys this ocz flex2 1150 is great ram and everybody buy rampage x48 it's the best" or something... But then you erased it...

[trt740]

No you were totally sarcastic like "guys this ocz flex2 1150 is great ram and everybody buy rampage x48 it's the best" or something... But then you erased it...

I realized I made a mistake and corrected it. seriously Tony is Ocz Jedi Ram Master. Being new at this kind of stuff I clearly set up something wrong. Its not the rams fault it was my fault. I should have posted my specs here first and then asked Tony for help before being judgemental. OCZ makes great stuff. Heck my powersupply is from them.

[beard]

Well, imo you're still being very sarcastic (pissed off?) but if you're serious then you're even weirder, sorry no offense, can't help the impression i get, this is not emotional statement Peace

And sorry for ot guys, this is a great thread let's keep it that way.

[Tony]

You know guys I feel boards are getting way to complicated, i had a long discussion with Raja about this over the last 2 days on and off and he agrees.
I was asked by the office to write guides for 1150Flex, on many boards you can NOT just set the speed and go, this is especially so with X38 and X48...P35 is usually a lot easier.

On the Rampage i had forgotten there is a skew setting, i for one really feel skew should be handled by the boards engineers as they can properly measure and calibrate the bios to adjust skew as clock speed rises. Alternatively thru lab testing bios code should auto adjust with known good settings, IE PSC die IC's we all use for 2GB modules, they pretty much need the same skew at the same frequency so you just map the skew settings and hide the option so the end users don't have to touch it...the ram clocks easy but may not hit the absolute max, end users would not worry to much though on the whole.

One things for sure though, its quite apparent that quite a few of these settings we are seeing in bios now actually DO need to be tweaked...if you stay by auto you may not get the best from your system.

[trt740]

Well, imo you're still being very sarcastic (pissed off?) but if you're serious then you're even weirder, sorry no offense, can't help the impression i get, this is not emotional statement Peace

And sorry for ot guys, this is a great thread let's keep it that way.

Man you cannot win on this thread no matter what you say

[dimsdale]

I've had that happen to my 1004 beta MF board a few times when I was working on different OC settings.
Very strange indeed.

I must warn you maximus/rampage owners: for the second time the board switched vtt to 2.00V all by itself. I'm glad i noticed it both times before pressing f10. It's caused by (extremely) unstable settings. Beware!

First time it happened (4 days ago), i used MF1004 bios. The second time (half an hour ago) was with RF0219 bios. Settings was totally different. First time i used just stupid settings (was my 3rd day with the board), now i'm searching for min voltages.

Sorry if this issue has already been discussed, 5k posts you know...

[Dostoyevsky77]

@ GrnFinger & ZenEffect:

Uh... actually, I ordered a new board, so I don't have to stress about the RMA period.

Here are some (surprising) differences between the new board and my last one (besides being shipped with 1006)...

1) My NB temperature is about 5(c) higher at the same voltage! I don't remember if there was a break-in period for the stock TIM (I didn't replace it last time either) because I was on a different chip and RAM. I hope it gets better! It WAS at 40/43, now we're at 45/49. Is that too high?

2) The silver VRM heatsinks near the I/O panel are recessed towards the CPU quite significantly. I had to bend the fins on the HS and bend the pipe slightly just to fit my Tuniq back on there (pictures to follow).

Here's the kicker. I have the SAME problem with the new board, but I've figured out how to circumvent it. I wonder if it's a PSU idiosyncrasy. As you might recall, any BIOS changes requiring a cold restart (where the system shuts down completely before restarting) would result in just a shutdown, with only clearing CMOS bringing it back on. It appears all I had to do was hold the normal case power button for five seconds and then press it again to restart with the BIOS changes. Grr... I might switch back to my old board if the NB temp doesn't come down.

@ Tony:

I tried changing the DRAM clock skew on both channels as you recommended, and it resulted in no bandwidth improvement. A quick 15-minute Everest stress test resulted in BSOD. I can't attribute it to the clock skew because I'm on a new board, but it appears my Ballistix don't like or need it. Thanks for the tipper, though! I'll look into that more in the coming days!

***EDITED for blatant spelling errors.

***EDIT #2: @ Beard: I had that VTT weirdness on 0907. It really freaked me out.

[Nuckin_Futs]

At least i have show you can push the board high but you have to tune a lot more than most have been doing.

So to make clear, you have this mobo but tested the FLEX-II only on your P5E? I'm very interested in this for my MF on BETA v1004, I'm not ready to hack just yet. I have not gotten enough input or feedback on the rteality of issues from hacking to Rampage BETA's. Is it likely I can just run them in my rig as is but tuning to match your P5E less the the skew tweak? Every RAM i tested in my profile does 1153 anywayz so I am hoping this can do that plus 1200 w/ same vdimm as all? Also I noticed tou, like many, manually set a few or if not all the sub timings to exactly what auto ends up using. Is there a reason for this? I'm only curious.

For my overclock as is (480x8 in 5:6) I want or sort of need a bit more RAM so I guess 2x 2gb is the answer if I can at the very least keep my same profile. Is Primary Timings of 5-5-5-18-3-55-6-4 ok for 480x8 in 5:6 DDR1153 @ 2.22v if I dont have skew control? What actual vdimm got used for your test?

Hey, guys! I just got my RMA MF. You may be interested to know that it shipped with 1006!!!

Well, first things first is turn this baby back into an RF.

Furthermore, not to you Tony, just in general.
I thought this was a cool friendly inviroment. What happen? I mean I know a few just ignor us and will never answer untill somebody they like ask, but wow. The ones acting rude wasted more tread space and time rudely replying and commenting then it would have to just answer, or say nothing.

To the guy who is gonna' RMA is hacked MF: is it stuck on RF BETA, or were you able to get back to MF for return? Is or has anybody been hassled from ASUS for flashing to RF then back to MF for an RMA? I mean can they really tell, are there block traces left like BETA v0907 left.

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How about you give it a rest, he has apologized and admitted his mistake.
if the 2 ppl he directed his comments at are not piss'd off why the are you

I pick on the small guy, British you see.

Anyone wanna get back n track