Could B3 Phenom be the rebirth of AMD....+1000MHZ OC done!

[akaBruno]

I don't really think AMD really died, they just f*cked up their PR in a major way. I remember fanboy BS from circa 2000 that AMD "stole" all of Intel's designs blah, blah, blah. Seriously, it's OK to have opinions but I'm real tired of all the negativity towards the phenom (and fanboyism in general). intel took a few tries to get the Core 2 Duo architecture right. Anyone remember Pentium D or Core architecture?

Ranting and raving aside, I would like to thank you, Tony, for your efforts and objectivity in this thread.

Well said and great stuff!

[merkk1]

Hi everyone
Iam new to the board been wacthing this thread for a bit now finaly got clear to post. If you all are getting crashing at idle or go into a 3d app. and crash a few mins into it but you can run AOD stress test and be on the net
and play musice all at the same time it a vista bug from a update that came
out after SP1 for vista .MY 9850 was crashing at idle or when i run 3dmark-06
so after a week of checking stuff thinking it was hardware i did a clean install of vista-64 got it up to date to SP1 than stop ran test not crashing at idle or running a game so if you are having trouble with crashing at idle mite want to do clean install of vista.

[wiak]

QFT, Im getting mad at the stupid freeze behaviour lol. It makes no sense wtf ever I do.

lets hope amd will fix it in bios if they can

[stocius]

Hi everyone
Iam new to the board been wacthing this thread for a bit now finaly got clear to post. If you all are getting crashing at idle or go into a 3d app. and crash a few mins into it but you can run AOD stress test and be on the net
and play musice all at the same time it a vista bug from a update that came
out after SP1 for vista .MY 9850 was crashing at idle or when i run 3dmark-06
so after a week of checking stuff thinking it was hardware i did a clean install of vista-64 got it up to date to SP1 than stop ran test not crashing at idle or running a game so if you are having trouble with crashing at idle mite want to do clean install of vista.

I'm new myself, (not a n00b just new to the forum. I've read that phenoms have documented problems running on x64, especially with AOD and overclocks...have you oc'ed yet? What version of Vista are you running (like it matters lol)? I'd love to run x64 but I'm leery of crashes and vista in general. My opinion is x64 needs more time to mature some but man when it does watch out! Thanks m8.

[Nedjo]

trust me stocius vista x64 runs like charm, it's rock stable! Only thing is that you'll definitely achieve lower OC results under x64 OS compared to 32bti. In case of Phenom we're talking about ~200 MHz lower OC on air

[triple_A]

trust me stocius vista x64 runs like charm, it's rock stable! Only thing is that you'll definitely achieve lower OC results under x64 OS compared to 32bti. In case of Phenom we're talking about ~200 MHz lower OC on air

OS has no influence on overclock.
If it's not stable on 64bit os, it's not stable on 32bit too.

Agree with on on vista64 though, no issues with it at all.

[justapost]

We tested 64bit os stabilty with B2's already.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179058

This issue seems to be gone with B3's.

[triple_A]

Crap, didn't know that.. that's weird

[stocius]

Thanks for the info m8s, I appreciate. Yep, I've got a lot of reading to do, thanks for the link Justapost.

[Rammsteiner]

Hmmm, I just noticed RAM OC's need some special attention. Assumed I could as well test 4-4-4 DDR800 while testing CPU OC's. But then core 1 failed, 0.025Vcore more made core 4 fail. Luckily without reason I decided to set manual settings for the RAM and nothing failed thus far.

It runs now at 0.1Vcore less. So Ill leave RAM for what it is now, will get back to it later but turns out you got to test everything for 110% and dont assume anything from previous OC results from a different system lol.

Is there any word about 4 DIMMs to use unganged vs ganged? I read Tony said you'd better use ganged when running 1066 mode, so I was wondering if 4 DIMMs at any speed needed some special treatment too?

[merkk1]

Hi
iam using vista-64 it ran great until i down loaded one or two of the last vista up-date so reinstall vista-64 and update to SP1 one it runs great again no trouble.so i realy fell that it was a vista up that made the problems for me.
Something they did after SP1.

AMD 9850BE Phenom
DFI LandParty DK 790fx M2RS
2 HIS 3850 running in crossfire
2 WD 80gigs sata2 drive running raid-0

[dng]

merkk1:

are you ocing your 9850? what's your setup like? i'm trying to decide whether i should get the dfi 790fx for my next build. i think we should set up an oc database on this 9850.

[justapost]

merkk1:

are you ocing your 9850? what's your setup like? i'm trying to decide whether i should get the dfi 790fx for my next build. i think we should set up an oc database on this 9850.

A few OC databases
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183422
http://www.amdgeeks.net/overclockdatabase (no 9850 in here atm)
http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_1616

[Brother Esau]

I don't really think AMD really died, they just screwed up their PR and look like they're mismanaged in a major way. I remember fanboy BS from circa 2000 that AMD "stole" all of Intel's designs blah, blah, blah. Seriously, it's OK to have opinions but I'm real tired of all the negativity towards the phenom (and fanboyism in general). intel took a few tries to get to the Core 2 Duo architecture alright. Anyone remember Pentium D or Core architecture? Those weren't nearly as good as Core 2.

Benchmarks are great, but I don't think they tell the whole story (though I don't doubt the efficacy of benchmarks), personally I like to rate PCs by how they feel and move (which are partly subjective observations) regarless of paper specs and benchies. I know somebodies gonna insert insult...here, but that's my opinion. Ranting and raving aside, I would like to thank you, Tony, for your efforts and objectivity in this thread.

I agree on so many levels with that very constructive statement you just made None of us know or do not know if the Fix is in on Software favoritism as many can be persuaded at the drop of a dime regardless of morals and ethics if it means personal advancement and money "QFT"

The whole Fanboy situation well......Lets just say that I prefer AMD over Intel because it feels more fluent and natural with its responsiveness for day to day use and just in general. Computers should be judged on a individual basis thats why they elected to coinn the Phrase "PC" which = Personal Computer which = Personal Computing Experience

[keithlm]

Benchmarks are great, but I don't think they tell the whole story (though I don't doubt the efficacy of benchmarks), personally I like to rate PCs by how they feel and move (which are partly subjective observations) regarless of paper specs and benchies. I know somebodies gonna insert insult...here, but that's my opinion. Ranting and raving aside, I would like to thank you, Tony, for your efforts and objectivity in this thread.

Lets just say that I prefer AMD over Intel because it feels more fluent and natural with its responsiveness for day to day use and just in general. Computers should be judged on a individual basis thats why they elected to coinn the Phrase "PC" which = Personal Computer which = Personal Computing Experience

Only people that have a bias would accept benchmarks results blindly without considering any other aspect of the system. (Or even consider what each benchmark is actually doing.)

I remember a thread on another forum where somebody basically was telling me I was an idiot for not blindly accepting the results of the benchmarks based on JUST the number of "wins" versus the number of "losses". (And yes... some of the results were within a percent or two.)

[Rammsteiner]

Some nice posts here.

Reason why I chose AMD while Intel scores so much better? Well, I like to play so much around. AMD OCíng isn't like 'bump multi', 'bump HTT', 'hello new OC'. I really like to play around but it's often frustrating at the same time. But you'll have to live with it in the end.

Besides that, at the time I bought the AM2 stuff, parts for Intel were far from future proof and current chipsets all missed different features for me personally.

Fanboy or not, Im really pleased with AMD just for the fun with OCíng. If you're looking for max SuperPI, 3DMark etc, then Intel is rightfully the winer. But benchmarks for me personally are something to compare to equal systems and not to get huge e-peens. And as I never owned an Intel system, I cant really say anything about the 'smoothness' in usage, but I heard a lot AMD is running smoother from people who do own them both. But I dont use that comment as long as I dont experience that my self.

[dball3]

Is there any word about 4 DIMMs to use unganged vs ganged? I read Tony said you'd better use ganged when running 1066 mode, so I was wondering if 4 DIMMs at any speed needed some special treatment too?

I'm running 4 X 1024 at 1066 currently at unganged 2.0v 5-5-5-15, The only problem i had was , when i first booted up everything was at auto, and i would get random errors, so just make sure to set everything up manually. I'm running the asus m3a here

[Blacklash]

Does anyone know if I got a 9850 and installed Vista x64 SP1 would it force the TLB patch on me like it does for the older chips or would it recognize the 9850 doesn't need it?

When I patched SP1 over Vista x64 with my Agena 9600 it forced the TLB fix on me and I could not get it to disable.

[Sparky]

Does anyone know if I got a 9850 and installed Vista x64 SP1 would it force the TLB patch on me like it does for the older chips or would it recognize the 9850 doesn't need it?

When I patched SP1 over Vista x64 with my Agena 9600 it forced the TLB fix on me and I could not get it to disable.

I would hope that it won't apply a TLB patch on the B3, that would suck as they have no need of the patch (heck even the B2 didn't need it in many cases for most people).

What do you suppose my odds of getting a B3 is replacement of my B2 when I send it in to AMD? (it has some major issues not related to TLB)

[Tony]

B3 has no need for any patch, vista has no issues with B3's

[Sparky]

wonderful, good to know that. I was afraid that vista would just assume TLB patch on phenoms in general, not looking for a specific revision. Good news for sure

[stocius]

keithlm: Only people that have a bias would accept benchmarks results blindly without considering any other aspect of the system. (Or even consider what each benchmark is actually doing.)

I remember a thread on another forum where somebody basically was telling me I was an idiot for not blindly accepting the results of the benchmarks based on JUST the number of "wins" versus the number of "losses". (And yes... some of the results were within a percent or two.)That's one of the reasons I signed up on this forum:smile:

Rammsteiner: And as I never owned an Intel system, I cant really say anything about the 'smoothness' in usage, but I heard a lot AMD is running smoother from people who do own them both. But I dont use that comment as long as I dont experience that my self. I have, well at least the P4 v. Athlon Series, in my opinion AMD tends clock lower but really move. I've never owned a an intel quad but I've had 3 intel core 2 laptops and my current amd lappy wips them without a dedicated video card (I don't game on laptops, of course) I will never say this cpu is empirically better over that one beacause of all the variables that go into setups, I will however say that I prefer one cpu over another. I will also put on the record that I am not against building Intel, I just don't really want to nor do I have the resources to outfit 2 builds of higher end parts. Sorry for the confusing post I couldn't the multi-quote to work.

[justapost]

Sorry for the confusing post I couldn't the multi-quote to work.

Hmm, press the multi-quote button an all post you plan to reply the press post-reply.

[merkk1]

Hi
iam able to get 2.8 on air cool auto volts setting .I try to bummp it
more but will not stay stable . it mite be you realy need to be water cool for highter clocks speed but iam not as good a over clocker as other people
are on this board iam still learning over clocking . Now as the board gose i like the DFI LP DK board . I think it a mite more trouble free than the DFI LP UT
board it newer it also DFI sec time around making a 790fx board so i think they learn from the UT what they wanted to do and want not to do. There
is a con then using the DK board is when you use the on board sound the audio out port is right under your sec. video card when running crossfire so
you will not be able to run the wires from the port to your case jack also
the chips temp. for the north bright get up to the low 70c range when i play a game bough video cards are crank up to full speed . I my self had a X-Fi sound card already so it was no big deal for me . I would like to know if the UT guys can post what the chips set temp. run at under full load.

[stocius]

Hmm, press the multi-quote button an all post you plan to reply the press post-reply.

Freakin' strange...I try to quote you and those multi-quotes showed up...oh well I'll do it right next time. Thanx for the help tho