Could B3 Phenom be the rebirth of AMD....+1000MHZ OC done!

[Charles Wirth]

I could not get the CPU below 0c or the system would not post.

Working on max frequency @ 0c, My tandem compressor Krotech can hold 0c

OCZ Cryo-Z is far too cold, doesnt boot and I lost a day putzing with it.

[massman]

Fugger: did you test for coldbug on different motherboards?

AANNDD: what is max frequency

[biohead]

I could not get the CPU below 0c or the system would not post.

Working on max frequency @ 0c, My tandem compressor Krotech can hold 0c

OCZ Cryo-Z is far too cold, doesnt boot and I lost a day putzing with it.

no post is probably mainboard related, 0°C isn't coldbug area for phenoms iirc. do you have other boards to test? (just asking).

anyway, thanks for pushing it around. effort's appreciated.

[Nedjo]

I guess FUGGER could use one of these three DFI mobos that Tony has
P.S
FUGGER please start new thread when you're ready to show what you've achieved!

[Oldguy932]

Yeah, coldbug is mobo related. Out of the 4 phenoms I've tested, on my 9500 had a slightly higher coldbug at around -35C or -30C. All the others boot at below -40C but its pointless because cold hurts your overclock. 0C should be interesting though, its cold enough to keep the temps down alot, but also warm enough that it won't be as limiting as my vapo.

[wiak]

Its Tricky.
lets hope AMD releases new bios updates soon, and phenom will rock my socks off or crap they are off :P

[biohead]

Yeah, coldbug is mobo related. Out of the 4 phenoms I've tested, on my 9500 had a slightly higher coldbug at around -35C or -30C. All the others boot at below -40C but its pointless because cold hurts your overclock. 0C should be interesting though, its cold enough to keep the temps down alot, but also warm enough that it won't be as limiting as my vapo.

yeah, the colder they get, the less volts they can chew. weird stuff, but interesting nonetheless.

[triple_A]

Processor/BIOS please?
I've heard of it doing 240 on single core 3000+, but not anything else.

athlon x2 3800, don't know about the bios.
I'm not near that pc untill this weekend so i'll check back for bios version then.
ps it even boots fine and runs 3dmark without a prob on 250mhz but then it's not 100% stable

Sorry for the OT.

[Astennu]

Very nice job Tony.

Phenom is not so bad as i thought. I hope 45nm will make it even better

[medjohnson77]

sorry you feel that wat Biohead, but I was not trying to hijack this thread, this is a tread about the new Phenom right?? So I got the 9850 and tried it on my motherboard, and I had no luck. So I thought just maybe some one else on here with their exp. could give their advice. Like I said I will be building the new spider build here soon so Tony, and others testing will really help me out. Thanks Tony and all who have posted their exp.

[Tony]

Phenom is a totally different animal thats for sure, I have 4GB Flex2 here that I have 1200MHZ fully stable on a P35 MARS and its not doing as well with my 9850

1066 is to easy, 1100 was easy 1150...not as easy, I think its drive so more testing needed.

Note on the new dfi bios, flashed it my way, sorry brother and it then would not boot the 9850...flashed it with a 6400+ after it would not boot the 9850 with the shipping bios either...total frustration now set in.
Soooo battery upside down, power off for 10 mins, rebuild and the dreaded 88's came again...hit reset...C1 25 26 2d boom it was up LOL

Weird crap thats for sure

Little teaser pic for ya



NB 2.6GHZ...100 more than on the older DFI board

[Particle]

Looks like my replacement K9A2 will arrive tomorrow. The 9850 has been here for a week, so it's about dern time that I can mate the two together. If it doesn't happen soon I'm going to miss all the excitement.

@Tony: When you said a dozen or two pages ago that "AOD killed the board" did you mean that it just shut down or the board was fried? My last K9A2 died the instant I opened AOD with a 5000 BE.

[Tony]

just shut the board down, not killed it.

Weird it killed the MSI, my board and AOD get a long just peachy here, much better than the DFI and AOD do

[Brother Esau]

Phenom is a totally different animal thats for sure, I have 4GB Flex2 here that I have 1200MHZ fully stable on a P35 MARS and its not doing as well with my 9850

1066 is to easy, 1100 was easy 1150...not as easy, I think its drive so more testing needed.

Note on the new dfi bios, flashed it my way, sorry brother and it then would not boot the 9850...flashed it with a 6400+ after it would not boot the 9850 with the shipping bios either...total frustration now set in.
Soooo battery upside down, power off for 10 mins, rebuild and the dreaded 88's came again...hit reset...C1 25 26 2d boom it was up LOL

Weird crap thats for sure

Little teaser pic for ya



NB 2.6GHZ...100 more than on the older DFI board

Don't have to apologize to me Tony By far you know more about Bios then I do These Bios are Flaky since day one and I can't quite understand why all the hoopla is needed myself Just try to keep folks out of trouble by posting a reference for them to go by that will lessen the risk of having a bad flash

[justapost]

Phenom is a totally different animal thats for sure, I have 4GB Flex2 here that I have 1200MHZ fully stable on a P35 MARS and its not doing as well with my 9850

1066 is to easy, 1100 was easy 1150...not as easy, I think its drive so more testing needed.

Experienced a similar thing with my CB Tracers they needed less voltage in an p5ke-wifi with an qx6850.

NB 2.6GHZ...100 more than on the older DFI board

Nice 13xmulti What NB VID/voltage does it need?

[Loser777]

I've also heard about SpeedFan issues with the M2R/M2RS...
Basically,
Open program
Bam board is dead.

[Tony]

Experienced a similar thing with my CB Tracers they needed less voltage in an p5ke-wifi with an qx6850.

Nice 13xmulti What NB VID/voltage does it need?

Running a tad over 1.4V, and 1.5V for the core, shooting for near 3.5GHZ 3d06 runs.

Workin my way up to see if I can get 2.7GHZ and 1100 ram workin ok

[Daveburt714]

To go to 1066 mode you have to set it and reboot, or the bios files get confused.

Daveburt714

Set 800 mode, set vcore to 1.35N
Push up NB ratio till you find its max stable setting and report back

Thanks Tony, sorry it took so long to get back to you, I only had an hour or so to play with it last night. I took your advice and set 1066 mode, let the bios reset, booted into Windows, and then shut the machine down and restarted. When I tried to run 4x Prime Blend I got a serious crash with video corruption and on reboot a message that Windows was corrupt, so that pretty much used up what time I had...

On the bright side, I did get windows to start and used Sytem Restore to get things back to normal. I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to wait for a Bios Update from GBT to get 1066 mode working. (BTW: System specs shown in my sig are correct)

The reason I say that, is that I think I could get it to work if I could manually set it to 5-8-8-30. But when I go into Manual mode, Precharge is limited to 3T, in auto mode Precharge is 5T and it almost works. If I could only get a 5T precharge in manual mode..

Jonspd is right I have a 96BE and had a 9850 (out for RMA, wouldn't even run stock stable ).

I'm really not looking to set any records, just want a decent day to day OC (and was hoping to get 1066 mode working ). My 96BE is VERY SOLID at 208x12.5x10x8 @ 1.275v CPU, 1.150v NB, 2.1v Mem...

Schneider: Thanks man, I'm normally not real confident in info from Wiki, but it's worth a look! Your probably right about those last 4 being tweeks... Guess I was wrong, I'd just like to get 1066 working first!

[Rammsteiner]

Yes, I got 14x207 at 1.425Vcore, 10x207 1.3Vimc, 10x207 HT 1.29Vht Priming stable for 9 hours now...

However, now Im just very afraid to stop it and do some poor idle stuff in it in case it crashes (which Im sure about anyway). But Ill try to get it stable anyhow. Im making notes of everything so I hope to see a clearish red line in it.

[Daveburt714]

Yes, I got 14x207 at 1.425Vcore, 10x207 1.3Vimc, 10x207 HT 1.29Vht Priming stable for 9 hours now...

However, now Im just very afraid to stop it and do some poor idle stuff in it in case it crashes (which Im sure about anyway). But Ill try to get it stable anyhow. Im making notes of everything so I hope to see a clearish red line in it.

Hey Ram, I've been messing with Phenoms since the begining of the year. I don't claim to be an expert, but from my experience high NB v's seem to be the culprit when it comes to Idle crashes....

Since your only running your NB @ 2070Mhz, I'd be willing to bet you could lower that voltage and improve Idle stability. My IMC runs at 2050Mhz with only 1.15v's....

You might want to try lowering it... Just food for thought

[Rammsteiner]

Thx, Ill test that out. Strange though as I understand from KTE's results he had to use higher and higher Vcore and Vimc all the time for idle stability.

Did you find a way yet to get Phenom stable while idle? Im trying to get as much info as I can just to klnow in what direction I should be going

[Rammsteiner]

Anyhow, as I want to test things first before changing a parameter right away, I quit Prime (it ran 10 hours). It didnt lock up, then I browsed some trough folders, opened WMP. Although Ive no drivers installed or even a Windows update I cant really use WMP though. But well, decided to browse trough the other HDD with XP64 and run 3 instances of Memtest.

I dont know if Memtest helps in finding stability in NB? After all it controls the memory bandwith and such. Anyway, whether it does help or not, Ill let it ruyn for 1~1.5hours, then let it idle for a few, open some programs.

As Im typing this I might actually be able to try and play a music CD. I wont have sound, but as long as the data comes trough heh.

[Daveburt714]

Ram... KTE, Tony and Justapost are Phenom Guru's!!

I'm just a lowly servant who has learned everything he knows from the masters scraps...

But to answer your question, yes, so far the settings I listed above have been stable at both Idle and Stressed.

Guess it really depends on what your objectives are... My settings certainly won't be setting any records!!

[Rammsteiner]

Nah, Im not looking for heavy instable bench wh0ring. Im trying to get it solid at the first point, but along with some nice clocks of course.

I dont think 3.5Ghz, as with my 6400+, will be doable. But if I could manage to go around 3~3.2Ghz solid Im happy. It's just a bit hard as for example 14.5x200 doesnt really work, but as I said, 14x207 was 10h+ stable lol.

All in all I really love to play around with it. Just got to keep one thing in mind, you've 9850BE speeds and you COULD get more, but nothing is guaranteed.

A few years back with my first system I OC'd I tried to get the very max 3DMarks out of it, but now I dont see the point of that (for a 24/7 system) as you only fool your self then... IMO of course. I got frustrated often since lots of people hit 100~200Mhz higher than me. Benchies are nice to compare some results with previous system or with other equal systems to chceck for messed settings. But in the end you'd never beat the Vapochill/LN2/Dice people anyway.

[Meatwad]

Great now I regret getting a 780G Asus board...... can't handle the Phenom. Life sucks