X3350 Arrival

[X2beach]

I got my X3360 Running 3825 OCCT Stable.. After 2weeks of tweaking I finally got the Volts correct!

[zoob]

Quick results




EDIT:

This is about as high as I can get this chip. stable Poor clocker.. slightly less vCore will lock up after 10-15 min of Prime95, a huge amount of vcore more and it still can't do 3550. At least my coworker isn't as picky as me.. this will go into his setup

[ChaosMinionX]

The X3350 I received today is an absolute piece of garbage...

Info -
Newegg
FPO/BATCH # - L806A744
Pack Date - 4/3/08
VID - 1.125

This thing cant beat a G0.... I have tried everything. I am on Asus Rampage Formula BIOS 0308.

No matter what Vcore, PLL, VTT, GTL or anything I set. It will not boot at 8x450, it wont even go into BIOS @ 8x460.

I feel like throwing this thing in the garbage and buying a new one rather than go through the hassle of returning it. Really pissed atm with this thing...

Not only is there all of the above, the damn thing runs about 15C hotter than my G0. Maybe coretemp is reading it wrong, but on water this damn thing is running at 40-45C with a room temp of 20C.

Anyone got any ideas? I been at this for hours trying to even get into goddamn windows.

[RunawayPrisoner]

Core Temp reports the wrong temperature for all 45nm processors... apparently.

And... this one only works so well in some specific boards. ASUS P5E-VM HDMI and ASUS Striker II Extreme seem to be the two good ones at the moment.

[ChaosMinionX]

Core Temp reports the wrong temperature for all 45nm processors... apparently.

And... this one only works so well in some specific boards. ASUS P5E-VM HDMI and ASUS Striker II Extreme seem to be the two good ones at the moment.

Im thinking it might be bad 45nm support in BIOS? I dunno I will play with it some more, but I think this ones getting thrown out.

[RunawayPrisoner]

I don't think it's the BIOS... as I can hit over 4GHz bootable with all BIOSes... on this board... even the ones that don't support this CPU.

[ChaosMinionX]

I don't think it's the BIOS... as I can hit over 4GHz bootable with all BIOSes... on this board... even the ones that don't support this CPU.

In that case this really is a crappy chip..... Not gonna bother with the RMA on it, just gonna let it go cheap on here probably.

[NIZ]

When I first setup my system I settled on 3.2GHz 1.28v as it was the easiest clock speed. After 2weeks of tweaking I have my cpu running prime stable @ 3.52GHz 4:5 1.32v. Very very happy, I'm pretty sure I could go to 3.6GHz but I don't think my RAM would cope as I'm running 4x 1Gb. I could possibly run 1:1, will have to do some tests to see if it is worth the hassle.

[RunawayPrisoner]

In that case this really is a crappy chip..... Not gonna bother with the RMA on it, just gonna let it go cheap on here probably.

It's happened with two chips on two different boards with the same model. I think it's really a board problem.

[xcluded]

any P35-dq6 and crucial ballistix PC6400 2 x 2GB users?

i am currently stucked at 3.4ghz... 425 FSB.

FSB overvoltage : 1.3V
MCH voltage: 1.275V
Ram voltage: 2V
Vcore: 1.2v in bios (in cpu-z 1.168V)

wondering what i need to do in order to reach 450 mark.
i tried higher voltages but within safety zone , but still cannot do it.

or could be my mobo simply cannot make it?

[ChaosMinionX]

It's happened with two chips on two different boards with the same model. I think it's really a board problem.

What do you mean? You chip ran 3.8ghz fine on 2 boards and not fine on others? I dont see how its a board limitation when I can clock my Q6600 perfectly fine, it goes all the way up to 490FSB on water.

I really think its one of 2 things, maybe both?

1) BIOS doesnt completely run a 45nm chip to its fullest
2) The chip just wont do anymore

Maybe some other Maximus/Rampage users could give some input on their findings, anything I have seen has been pretty inconclusive.

[RunawayPrisoner]

What do you mean? You chip ran 3.8ghz fine on 2 boards and not fine on others? I dont see how its a board limitation when I can clock my Q6600 perfectly fine, it goes all the way up to 490FSB on water.

I really think its one of 2 things, maybe both?

1) BIOS doesnt completely run a 45nm chip to its fullest
2) The chip just wont do anymore

Maybe some other Maximus/Rampage users could give some input on their findings, anything I have seen has been pretty inconclusive.

I mean... two different chips, on two different ASUS P5E-VM HDMI boards. Both hit 4GHz or over. I don't think that's luck.

Edit: Here are the two validations:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=334952

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=345603

[FiXeR]

The X3350 I received today is an absolute
No matter what Vcore, PLL, VTT, GTL or anything I set. It will not boot at 8x450, it wont even go into BIOS @ 8x460.

Same problem here.
I won't want 445FSB or higher. No matter what I do. It just dont want to boot.

Rampage, X3360.

[wyemarn]

Maybe Intel limits these chips to help Extreme series. The latest L08 G0 quads are crap compared to the early batches.

[Xilikon]

That's a possible explanation. I was in the same place as ChaosMinionX and unable to reach 8x450 with a Q9450 (X3350 brother). I have a P5K-E/Wifi-AP unopened as well and I might try a experiment to see if that board will clock higher. My Q6600 is able to reach 3.8 GHz with ease...

This might also be why Intel is creating a C1 stepping to fix a issue with some boards about stability at higher FSB. C1 is also crap

[zoob]

It's happened with two chips on two different boards with the same model. I think it's really a board problem.

What VIDs did your two CPUs have? Maybe I'll try out a P5E-VM HDMI.. or maybe I should just open up my QX

[Bang Rossi]

Same here. My P5E (w/ Rampage 308 Bios) wont even POST at 8 x 450.

I think the problem is my ASUckS X38 series board. My E3110 overclock like hell but not X3350...

I tried with maximus, p5e, and rampage bioses. But still no go

[mrab54]

I'm at work and haven't had much time to play around w/ my RF but I'm able to get 3.68 GHz stable. Won't even POST at 475 fsb bus though no matter what volts I crank up. Q9450 and 2x2GB GSkill 1066 RAM. My NB ran super hot at stock even w/ my cheapo case fans, but I put two 120mm Zalmans and it doesn't get much higher than 40 C.

[Xilikon]

My NB is watercooled and I even pumped 1.7v without changing anything... Maybe I need to play with the GTL to get something...

At worst, I could buy a P5E-VM HDMI, slap the Q9450 then build a HTPC box, returning my golden Q6600 back in my main PC.

[FiXeR]

I made a new topic about the FSB probs with the new C1 stepping.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=184565

[RunawayPrisoner]

What VIDs did your two CPUs have? Maybe I'll try out a P5E-VM HDMI.. or maybe I should just open up my QX

VIDs were at 1.125v on both of them?

And anyway, there's another board that I think will do good with the chip: ASUS Striker II Extreme. It's not like I'm the only one to have ever reached these clocks... and... a P5K-Deluxe modded to death is currently holding the world record at 519 FSB.

[»X$«êdên]

Mine
Popped out of newegg 4/3/08
L806A744

[ChaosMinionX]

Ok so who would like to explain the following....



Asus Maximus Formula 1004 flashed----> Rampage Formula 0308....

Now the interesting stuff.

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.4v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.6
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

These settings result in a no boot.

Now Same thing

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1132
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.4v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.6
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

This also resulted in a no boot (wouldnt even show the Vista loading bar). Now it gets even better...

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 266 ---------------Changed
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1128
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.4v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.6
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

This also resulted in an incomplete boot, however I will note that it showed the vista progress bar for a bit! Progress ? Id say so, so I further explored this anomoly.

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 451 -------------------------------Increased 1mhz
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 266
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.4v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.6
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

This resulted into a full boot into windows, and I am here typing this to you all now.


So who wants to explain whats up with that? It really looks like its a board problem now, this chip seems to be fine for higher FSB when its found what it really needs.

Any info would be appreciated

[zoob]

I noticed on my LT X38-T2R BIOS 1/11 if I play with the settings, sometimes it will not boot into Vista. If I load from CMOS Reloaded my working settings, it still does not get into Windows. I have to yank the AC and do a complete cold boot.

EDIT:
8x451 will post with
vcore 1.35
nb 1.604
ctt 1.325
gtl 173/137/128

won't boot windows. hm.

[ChaosMinionX]

These chips are very frustrating to say the least....