Could B3 Phenom be the rebirth of AMD....+1000MHZ OC done!

[aGeoM]

9850BE is 1.3 default for CPUVID and NBVID.....Only B2's use 1.25vid i thought..

even though 9850 specs are 1.20/1.25/1.30v.....It should always boot to 1.3v if set to auto on any Mobo..


I could be wrong , but thats what ive been seeing/reading...

What ever the NBVID is set ,the CPU should be the same or Higher,but not below NBvid.

Thanks.

[Brother Esau]

Can some more people chime in on the Temp situation with their 9850's please?

[GunterFalstaff]

Can some more people chime in on the Temp situation with their 9850's please?

Hey man, ill post my temps later tonight... maybe early morning when i get home. im not even completely sure what to expect with compatibility with my mobo yet since i havent seen anyone else with a 9850 and the M2RS... we'll see =)

[Tony]

I would post my temps but they equal on load what you guys have as idle

3.4GHZ today i was idling at 20C and 43c load

[dinos22]

what ambient temps

[Brother Esau]

Uh hey I disabled Sam2008 TLB Fix and although this is B3 Stepping I still get 200-500 with the TLB Patch Enabled Is there anyone that can confirm that this is happening to them as well? Is that normal? Ishould not think so considering it is a Phenom B3

[aGeoM]

Uh hey I disabled Sam2008 TLB Fix and although this is B3 Stepping I still get 200-500 with the TLB Patch Enabled

Winrar bench??

[Brother Esau]

Winrar bench??

Yes Winrar Bench

[justapost]

9850BE is 1.3 default for CPUVID and NBVID.....Only B2's use 1.25vid i thought..

even though 9850 specs are 1.20/1.25/1.30v.....It should always boot to 1.3v if set to auto on any Mobo..


I could be wrong , but thats what ive been seeing/reading...

What ever the NBVID is set ,the CPU should be the same or Higher,but not below NBvid.

1.3V is used as the default on the DFI M2R here too. The GBT780G mobo chooses 1.25V as default but that board seems to handle voltages different. With higher multis i had up to 1.44V usage shown in CPU-Z load whene it was 1.28V in idle and 1.25V in the bios.

NBVID can be higher than CPUVID had my BE9600 running at 500MHz with 0.7V while the NB was at 1.8GHz at ~1.05V. Why do you not recommend lower CPU VID's than NB VID's? Have there been issues?

[KTE]

There's something wrong with your board DFI based BIOSes in pretty much everything including temps. You can see it in justaposts' ss of different BIOSes

CPU diode which EVEREST/BIOS can read will never (plus zero) be higher than CPU core temps. Usually there's a -10C difference for it. Look at mine for instance or of those on other boards unless they've screwed the readings up by adding offsets.

65C load... that's high, but that's what stock cooler gets at 30C heatsink ambients, 45min load and no TIM.

But I get confused because of the lack of details you guys give when you ask qs

what ambient temps

In Manchester where Tony is, they won't be much different than 15-25C at most.

[justapost]

Yes Winrar Bench

You have TLB-Caching enabled in the bios?

[Tony]

MSI and DFI have not disabled TLB from bios with B3, you still have to apply a fix. I have reported this to DFI and to AMD, we wait for a fix.

Being real honest the DFI bios has many issues, i have a few end users now suffering from the flashing cursor issues, tRFC non detect etc so we wait on a fix.

The board with the lowest amount of issues (without testing the asus yet) is the Gigabyte DQ6, it just needs separate NB VID and it would be awesome.

The MSI is clocking good on the latest 1.4 Bios apart from the TLB annoyance.

Ambient water temp is between 8 and 14C dependent on how cold it is out side on my water loop.

[justapost]

MSI and DFI have not disabled TLB from bios with B3, you still have to apply a fix. I have reported this to DFI and to AMD, we wait for a fix.

I get >2100MB/s with winrar on the DFI if i enable TLB-Caching in the bios (means disable the fix which turns caching off).
Tony that is an vista sp1 issue i guess.

[KTE]

BIOS P0J doesn't apply the TLB fix by default for MSI Plat. Tony
Official releases 1.3-1.4 do but the official ones are quite poor for oc but better in stability/compatibility.

EDIT: yeah look to your OS

[KTE]

It sounds like most 790FX boards have some issues. I suspect that the "dreaded C1" problem comes up with the DFI more often because the M2R has an LED that shows POST codes... so people actually SEE a C1 code. So someone with another motherboard probably wouldn't call it a C1 error. They'd just call it a boot problem.

No, sadly, most 700 series boards don't share the DFI's problems.
The MSI does have the C1 but only I've had it, and I know why and when to avoid it - unlike with DFI 790FX where its a guessing game leading inevitably to RMA.

[GunterFalstaff]

Can some more people chime in on the Temp situation with their 9850's please?

Hey Brother, i set my Phenom down closer to where you have yours and ran OCCT for awhile to get my temps up... i seem to max out at about 48C. anything else you want man?

[LIKMARK]

Hey Brother, i set my Phenom down closer to where you have yours and ran OCCT for awhile to get my temps up... i seem to max out at about 48C. anything else you want man?

You sure temps are correct?

BTW is that 2*2gb dominators or 4*1gb in your sig, and how do they oc with phenom?

[Koekerwauz_NL]

@ Tony

Thanks fore putting in the efford regarding to the 9850BE.
I'm still waiting for the 45nm phenom series. My current cpu will do fine.

I'm upgrading my memory first.
Can you tell me what the differences are between the reaper and the platinum 1066 2x2GB kits besides the look.
Are the techincal the same?

I want to now because my HUMONGOUS IFX-14 is blocking the first 2 dimm slots due to height. I've got only 40mm of space between the top of the dimm slot to the base of the cooler.

thx

any comment plz

[GunterFalstaff]

You sure temps are correct?

BTW is that 2*2gb dominators or 4*1gb in your sig, and how do they oc with phenom?

well, those temps were the same that HWmonitor read as well as Everest, my temperature sensor is also reading roughly 3 degrees celcius below what these programs are reading (its always a little lower) so im quite sure its right. why?

and im using 4x1, i havent done much tweaking with the system since i put the phenom in as i installed the phenom about an hour ago... heh

[mAJORD]

WEll, you guys are having some decent fun with your Phenoms!

mine still won't post on a 14 or higher multi! no matter how cool it is.. God damn. I'm running out of possibilities.

[LIKMARK]

well, those temps were the same that HWmonitor read as well as Everest, my temperature sensor is also reading roughly 3 degrees celcius below what these programs are reading (its always a little lower) so im quite sure its right. why?

and im using 4x1, i havent done much tweaking with the system since i put the phenom in as i installed the phenom about an hour ago... heh

Running under water?

My Phenom @2,5GHz and 1,3v is under water with load temps of 57c. Read by Abit EQ and in bios. Hwmon + everest reads 30+c and AOD reads 25c..

Quite a lot of different temps. But I'm thinking the first one is the closest one.

That's why

Let me know how your dominators do. I've ordered the 2*2gbs. (and I know they use different kinds of ic of course)

[GunterFalstaff]

Running under water?

My Phenom @2,5GHz and 1,3v is under water with load temps of 57c. Read by Abit EQ and in bios. Hwmon + everest reads 30+c and AOD reads 25c..

Quite a lot of different temps. But I'm thinking the first one is the closest one.

That's why

Let me know how your dominators do. I've ordered the 2*2gbs. (and I know they use different kinds of ic of course)

OK now this may add clutter, but heres what i posted in another thread about what ive done with my phenom... wasnt much, but it helped.... im also using air cooling with an Asus Arctic Square (works very well =) and arctic silver 5)

PHENOM IS GO!!

i immediately lapped my phenom after seeing the crappy high corners (see pic in other thread )

before lapping



before polish...



finish...



now, on to testing it out on the M2RS =P

now... i would deffinately recommend the dominators, before i got my phenom i had them running at 1000mhz at 4-4-4-12 @ 2.2v with my 6400 BE. i have yet to push them with my phenom tho. but i will in time =)

[LIKMARK]

Ahh I see Maybe I have to lap mine too

[GunterFalstaff]

heh, lapping only really makes maybe 2-5 degrees of difference... its not gunna make your 57 degrees drop to 47 degrees load like, say, mine. odd that your W/C is that high. whats your idle temps? im sitting around 29-31 when at a 3.0ghz OC

[Tony]

I don't run SP1 on vista, so its not the OS

Boot open AOD, its yellow, bench, take scores, open AOD, set red, bench see increase

Simple way of testing me thinks

Go to bios, set enabled, go to vista..AOD yellow.>
Go to bios, set disabled, go to vista, AOD yellow

DFI

What am I doing wrong here?