Firstly just to clarify mine is not a cherry, its actually a poor one compared to others I know of and have seen. Its more like the average, good ones will do what you see Tony's doing and more. I've just asked about the 3 others at uncles apart from this, all 3 are better than mine.

Stability
3.00GHz failed WISE stability after +7 hours at 1.552v idle
Currently testing this at 1.512v idle / 1.488v load.

Yes DAMMIT 9850 definitely still has the perfectly stable load tested-unstable idle and WISE tested problem at the high end!

EDIT 1/2/3/4/5/6: system just froze during WISE testing for 3055 [35mins], 3000 [432mins], 2990 [86mins], 2975 [25mins], 2915 [14mins], 2860 [9mins] and 2780 [11mins]. Somethings wrong here, I've had 2.9G 1.45v WISE and load stable earlier.. only thing higher now is HT/NB... back to stock HT/NB testings

EDIT 7: No, 2800 didn't fail with WISE and load testing at 1.376v load. That certainly points to HT or NB causing the freezing - this is one good thing about unlocked multi, you have many ways to approach a problem and thus, figure it out

Also I'm currently testing a setting just to check but.. Phenom B2 and B3 has a problem with 1066 mode oc. Stability in this mode is very hard past stock 1066 [this looks like the cause of instability to me - my perfectly fine setting I tested in everything but when I changed from 800 mode to 1066, it crashed during WISE although it was far under bench/MEM limit]

-Max CPU P95/load stable is 3055MHz [furthest tested - 3100 is definitely not] but it will fail WISE stability.
-Max MEM benchable is 638MHz but max stable is 613MHz so far. 9600BE had a 626MHz limit = all on stock MEM volts of 2.2v.
-Max NB stable at stock volts is 2380MHz, nothing more. Same with HT, 2380MHz.

Safe Temperatures
Tested HTC and THERMTRIP temperatures. People are confused about these values but the temp. values you see in EVEREST/AOD/CoreTemp/HWMon are all coming from a CPU register and the maximum Tcontrol_max value is calibrated to the same value as the real Tcase_max for this CPU - which is independently monitored and calibrated within the Thermal Control Circuitry (TCC). Thus, when Tctl_max is reached, Tcase_max is reached, TCC detects this and activates HTC/THERMTRIP to either throttle CPU or shut it down.

Through tests I found Tctl_max is a value in between 84 to 90C in software. Anything above 84C starts erroring but 86C does not shut down. A degrees value very close to it, soon after but before 90C is the shut down max temp. Thus keep it below 75C full loads and you're fine and within CPU stability range

Performance and Tweaks
Just messing around, B3 scored 2590 Single CPU in CB10 at 2990 with tweaks [beat the 3G score above].

WinRAR is 2478KB/s at 3000CPU 240HT 2400NB 638MEM. MEM/Cache b/w and other benches at similar settings can be seen here=>



















Sandra Multi-core b/w has always been very weak for Phenom

2k6 3000 vs 2990 tweaked
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Updated EVEREST scores

















I'm not going to push it yet, validator has a bug that its rejecting many different legitimate CPUs of users outright. Once its fixed by Sam/Franck, I'll go into it like a train, I know it wants it, I can hear it scream.... give me 1.7v....

Quote Originally Posted by SocketMan View Post
This might help.
It's not Tony's "water park workshop", but should keep the Phenom reasonably cool.
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5142
Thanks man but I already have wc if I wanted it - I didn't want to test Phenom for wc, but air, since I'm not keeping it but just playing with it for others to see and help them work it out and these are definitely just budget chips for the masses
Quote Originally Posted by justapost View Post
froze after 2hrs here 1.325V is what i use atm.
I'm going back to basics to sort the problems out. Testing 200x14 2800 at 1.4v idle / 1.376v load ATM. You have an advantage, your BIOS are far better for bootup oc with all volts and multis, we don't have that on this board so things are a lot harder to work with and oc.
Behaved unstable here at 1.4V. Prime ran fine for a few minutes but sandra prozessor arithmetic benchmark froze the machine even at 1.425.
Last time, 1.45v was what I needed for 200x14.5 2900 stability. My main aim isn't bench stability though, load stability has been a lot easier on my Phenoms than WISE stability
Hmm on the DFI mobo I can set CnQ and voltages to Auto and use a cpu multi suitable for stock voltage and the given ref HT.
Voltages and he multi can be modified via msr registers then.
The PC must be in Desktop mode however if ref HT x stock CPU multi exceeds the max the CPU can handle at stock volts.
By the looks of it, your board changes VIDs where voltages should be changed. The MSI can do CnQ at any voltage/MHz [as long as its stable] and yep, thanks to Sams tool, tweaking is far far far easier - I just apply everything through it
For the record you use the wattages from everest odin readings?
Calibrated Odin current readings with clamp ammeter, so check those, then AC watt meter and DMM for volts, system VAC and then work out power. Have traced each rail back, so I know which rail is powering which component to distinguish between all.
Always good for a platform comparison.
Yup, been cross-checking with yours to see if any of my settings were unstable [when unstable, there will be a performance drop]

Have you tried the 2200 800 comparison we did before yet?
Since we already have B2 perf. known, would be good to add B3 perf. to it too
I'll add Abit 770 and GBT 780G scores to it soon aswell, need to flash a new BIOS on them before that or they don't boot Phenom B3.

Quote Originally Posted by Oldguy932
Well, I just put my 9600 into my crosshair again. I found the nb voltage option that I wasn't using before. Its running 260x11.5 1.3v cpu, 1.35v nb. And to my liking, nb voltage maxes at 1.575. I'll try and get a 3.1ghz shot if I can, but I dunno because of how this cpu hates extra vcore.
So you can run this setting daily without problems or is it just bench/load stable?
Very good for a 9600 though.