Could B3 Phenom be the rebirth of AMD....+1000MHZ OC done!

[dinos22]

apologies
missed that post

but with those temps 4GHz looks possible i'm sure heh

[Oldguy932]

Just because those ones had cold boot issues doesn't mean they all do. Of the three phenoms I own, only the 9500 had a cold boot issue below -30C. Both my 9600 and 9600BE booted at -50C. Then again, these are B3, but the only difference was that they fixed the TLB bug in this revision right?

[ZL1Killa]

Tony... you are da MAN!!!

[knopflerbruce]

Those who still remember good ol' socket 939 (I do! ) also remember that some CPUs had coldbug @ +10c, and others would work very well on dice.

[jas420221]

Well managed to get 3.4GHZ reasonably stable. Issues are I was benching 3.3GHZ last night and hit 14000 so I am unsure as to how consistent 3Dmark 06 is at this time...but anyway...here is the bench.



NB speed is around 2.4GHZ, as you see HT speed is 2GHZ

Nice! Though its odd b/c I can put up 4k CPU with my dual core @ 4.5Ghz.

[Tony]

Nice! Though its odd b/c I can put up 4k CPU with my dual core @ 4.5Ghz.

run your CPU at 3.4 and see what it gives you...
man a 6400+ at 4.5HZ would kill this quad at 3.4...please get real

[roadie]

Good to finally see some potential from Phenom. I won't be upgrading until at least 45nm, but it's nice to get a handle on where things are going.

[justapost]

Seems they fixed more than just the tlb-issue with this stepping. I appreciate lower vdimm for the mem and better oc's on 64bit vista.

@Tony: Have you ran cb10 with 2GB NB speed and beside that same settings as in your screenshot? If so, what results did you get? Looking at your last 3dmark screeny you applied ~1.58V to the CPU. from what i saw before b2's topped out at ~1.45V.

[i found nemo]

Back in the good ol' days of Socket 939, we called them "steppings".

yea

Oh... you don't mean stepping but batch date.

technically if u see cpu-z screenie b3 is actually a revision ....

edit -

i see that it says it's running single channel .... why is that?

[Tony]

single is miss reported, its unganged

[i found nemo]

ahh i see

[jas420221]

run your CPU at 3.4 and see what it gives you...
man a 6400+ at 4.5HZ would kill this quad at 3.4...please get real

Easy killer. Dont jump on the defensive for no reason. (battered AMD syndrome?)

Im just shocked that I am so close with 2 cores. Most o/c quads arent even close to my score.

And a 6400+ @ 4.5Ghz... 1. Isnt possible on air. 2. A 6400+ @ 4.5Ghz wouldnt beat it out as it is slower than Penryn in the first place. If I didnt beat it at 4.5Ghz no AMD is going to.

[Tony]

Easy killer. Dont jump on the defensive for no reason. (battered AMD syndrome?)

Im just shocked that I am so close with 2 cores. Most o/c quads arent even close to my score.

And a 6400+ @ 4.5Ghz... 1. Isnt possible on air. 2. A 6400+ @ 4.5Ghz wouldnt beat it out as it is slower than Penryn in the first place. If I didnt beat it at 4.5Ghz no AMD is going to.

you are pushing for this to be AMD Vs Intel, this is NOT what the thread is about and I will pull away if this is what it becomes.

im not interested in what your C2D is doing, the thread is about Phenom.

[jas420221]

you are pushing for this to be AMD Vs Intel, this is NOT what the thread is about and I will pull away if this is what it becomes.

im not interested in what your C2D is doing, the thread is about Phenom.

1. You got a PM.
2. You brought it up what the 6400+ could do, I just went along with it in the context.

Like I said in PM, chill out man.

[biohead]

1. You got a PM.
2. You brought it up what the 6400+ could do, I just went along with it in the context.

Like I said in PM, chill out man.

you misread it, he said a 6400+ at 4.5G would beat the phenom quad @ 3.4G as well.

[jas420221]

you misread it, he said a 6400+ at 4.5G would beat the phenom quad @ 3.4G as well.

No no.. I got it. Im was saying he is wrong and used my C2D (sorry Tony) as a comparison for proof. I said if my chip cant beat out his quad (but is "oddly" close), the 6400 at the same clocks sure as heck wont do it.

Tony, sorry...I'll keep heed of the idea of this thread!!

[jonspd]

And I think this thread shouldn't have anything to do with your C2D as we all read enough to know what they will do.

[Tony]

Guys, lets move on, but please lets not drop the thread into the C2D Vs AMD bucket that most all the other threads end up in...like the one in the news section has already

Someone asked about NB core speed, I managed to get 2500MHZ NB stable with the CPU close to 3.4GHZ and ran off an 06 for ya



Its close to the true 3.4 scores even with the ram a little lower but the NB a LOT higher.

250HTT worked, 251 errored like mad...im still playing with HTT bus OCing.

Dinner now and friday night relax...maybe some more over the weekend.

EDIT: Just examined the scores here and for me there is no loss but no gain running high HTT over stock and pushing up the multi on the CPU.
Phenom was not built to take advantage of HTT increases and this pretty much proves it, there is no need to push HTT UNLESS you are tuning the ram to a specific speed away from the fixed ratio's.

Also it seems NB at 2200 performs as well as 2500MHZ in 3d06 inc the CPU score, so L3 looks to be a none issue maybe once you hit 2200 or so.

[Brother Esau]

Listen up everybody please Don't Piss Tony off because he will leave just as fast as he came in and I already see this going down unfortunately

Please do not turn this Into a Intel / AMD debate we are in the AMD Section of the forum so that means AMD discussion not Intel.

What allot don't realize is that we need and appreciate people of Tony's caliber and skill level because this platform does not have much of a user base ATM and we are trying to debug whats going on with this stuff on many levels

Just the fact that Tony is nice enough to buy this CPU and dedicate his time for all of us and work on the Bios issues and the Ram SPD issues @1066 divider is a huge help for people on AMD with Phenom. Now all that wish to debate Intel / AMD SuperPi please G.T.F.O and please cease and desist

[jas420221]

So many martyrs, so little behind them... **sighs**

/Unsubscribed. Good luck with this thread and where you drove it for no reason. I hate faux moderators more so than I do fanboys.

[Tony]

Last one for the day also I will write this all up on TTR in a small article.

Cinebench 10 3.375GHZ with the NB at 2500MHZ, as per the 06 run I just posted.



A few MHZ here and there over my last run shows some nice gains....

[Tony]

So many martyrs, so little behind them... **sighs**

/Unsubscribed. Good luck with this thread and where you drove it for no reason. I hate faux moderators more so than I do fanboys.

No need to leave, the AMD boys have a hard time here off the Intel boys and it gets to them on occasion.

Im not biased in anyway...I just like tweaking but I do see lots of bashing.

stick around m8

[highoctane]

Nice results, definitely good to see something positive!!

Its been a while since I've personally considered building an AMD rig. X4 still isn't quite enough for my tastes but it's like AMD just got a boob job and I'm'a watchin with interest!

[Trunks]

@ tony, what's the cpu stepping (or batch)

[Movieman]

Put's on Mods hat:
Gentleman:
Here's a novel idea for you:
Let's keep this an AMD thread and JUST that!
What does it take to get through to some people that a discussion of one type or the other doesn't have to lead to a battle of the brands?
Why the hell can't people just sit back, enjoy and learn from what Tony is showing and take it for JUST what it is?
This IS the AMD section and that is what should be discussed here.
I swear, sometimes it baffles my mind that people can be so closed minded to only look at one brand..
Tony: Many thanks for bringing this. Good info!