There are golden Phenom X4 B3s out there capable of hitting 3.2Ghz on air!

[jas420221]

Interesting. I have not seen any 3.2Ghz Phenom benchmarks to support your statement.

Until I see such a benchmark then your statement is a "theory". You may be correct. On the other hand it is possible that your theory is not correct. There is no way of knowing at this time since no such benchmarks exist.

Although it appears that we might have benchmarks at that speed soon.

You just havent been looking. Im not here to spew FUD or hate on AMD. Its just the way it is. I will go find one bench of phenom vs quad and link it, but the rest is up to you. What Im saying is, what I posted is common knowledge that non penryn quads outperform phenom in the majority of testing at the same clocks. In all fairness there are some benches (Divx encoding, WAV to name a couple) that phenom accels at over Q6600. Overall though, clock for clock the Q6600 is faster at the same clockspeed. The margin may be little but it is there. Throw Penryn on top of that, and that gap increases to something more than a negligable win.

Let me find a review since you wont...http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10427&page=9

AMD's nascent Phenom also suffers under the considerable yoke of Intel's Core 2 Quad 6600 pricing, which at £165 for a hugely-overclockable 2.4GHz part is something of a bargain. AMD, though, is pitching its slightly underperforming quad-core part at roughly the same price. The industry needs AMD to survive and succeed yet it's very difficult to make a compelling buying recommendation for a processor that's a year behind its competitor - one who has already moved on to a more-efficient 45nm manufacturing process - is between 10-20 percent slower in most benchmarks, and costs much the same.

Our HEXUS.bang4buck graphs show that AMD needs to lower the pricing of the Phenom 9600 to, say, around £135 before it becomes a genuinely viable option to Intel's '6600, should your usage pattern reflect that of a heavy multitasker. If the Phenom 9600's pricing (£159) stays exactly where it is right now, it's a case of too little, too late, we're afraid.

Bottom line: the new Phenom quad-core processor and 7-series chipset pack in some potent technology. Trouble is, Intel got there first. You need to be better than the competition if coming from behind: AMD's new launches aren't quite that.

EDIT: or just read the link above your last post that covers the exact same thing I just mentioned.

Since TF2 doesn't make use of any more than two CPU cores, the Phenoms have no advantage over dual-core chips. Clock for clock, Intel's Core 2 chips are faster here; at 2.4GHz, the Core 2 Quad Q6600 outperforms the Phenom X4 9750. And the Core 2 Duo E8400 and E8500 are both well ahead of the Phenom X4 9850.

[Donnie27]

I know Q6600's clock higher, 9550's are cheaper (or atleast they are over here ) so that put's it at around the same price/performance ratio.

But if the netherlands is the only country where a 9550 is cheaper than a q6600; sure, if a q6600 costs the same or even less than a 9550 it's a way better deal.

No NO NO! That's the Q6600 running at stock 2.4GHz speed and running as fast as the ES Phenom at 2.6GHz. Now if you try and scale the speed, go from 2.4GHz to 2.6GHz for Phenom most times (clearly not all) it would need to be 2.8 to 3GHz to get a better result. Even with Games that aren't GPU Bottlenecked. Sure with some apps the Gap is small.

One example. The Valve particle test. Phenom 9750 = 66.0, Phenom 9850 = 72 FPS 100MHz faster = 6FPS. Core2Q 6600 = 83 FPS. So if we scaled just as an example only, we'd need 12 more FPS or 200MHz more to get 2.7GHz to reach 84 FPS. Since HT is running 200MHz faster that might be more like using 4 or 5 FPS per 100MHz CPU speed. I based this on 6 FPS and did a mulligan (give me) of the HT bus. So Q6600 is a similar speed at 2.4 compared to 2.7GHz or at a 300MHz Deficit ON THIS TEST.

That's just one test and others vary but Phenom was NEVER clock for clock on more than 1 or 2 tests. Some times it much closer and other time the GAP is wider. That unless some folks think Sandra is an app?

[i found nemo]

yea, amd should have taken thier winning streak and kept it going. they just got used to the luxury .... shame. atleast there's not a 1ghz difference. like how a 3200+ ( 939 ) was about the same perf as a 3.0 ghz p4

[AliG]

Nope, it had nothing to do with that though AliG. That was kind of understandable because there were some doubts about if Core would really be that fast. Then some thought it was too good to be true and cost what it did. I'd not give anyone a hard time on that one.

This time it is Different. All of the Proof is there. There isn't any Guesswork, Doubt and etc.., though some are still in denial.

Thing is unless you're willing to buy me a p35 mobo, getting a q6600 is completely out of the question because my budget is too small and I already have an am2 board

[GunterFalstaff]

Ehhh, no. Thats the thing. A Q6600 can be had for $199 at Microcenter. A quick look for the 9550 gives me $210.

try $199 ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103251

[Jimmer411]

As I said, AMD has no place on these forums kinda sad when you cant post anything AMD without having C2D shoved down your throat.


If these start to average out around 3ghz Im going to pick one up. If Im really hurting for that much more performance than Ill just add a 2nd video card to my system. Its not like the gap between Intel and AMD is noticeable above 1680x1050 res.


The more time I spend using my computer for day to day things and gaming and the less time I spend looking at 3D06, Cinebench and superPi the more I realize how happy I am with my slow crappy 3.2ghz AM2 rig.

[Kingcarcas]

Will they even release the Phenom X2 at this point?................

[lazy]

Its sad that everytime the name AMD comes out, everyone has so much crap to say about it.

If you dont like it then just dont say anything

[YukonTrooper]

Golden? You mean bronze?

[flippin_waffles]

It's almost as if they feel Intel chips can't stand on their own merits, but need a posse of viral marketers to go with them. When anything positive is posted, you can guarantee a known group to chime in and attempt to squash it before it grows legs. It literally seems as if it's their duty, odd as it may seem. I think they may as well come to terms with reality, and realize that their objective is futile.
It's a two team race, like it or not! I wonder if the litigation has anything to do with it. It's all very strange...

[[XC] gomeler]

I for one am happy to see the B3 Phenom clocking up to K8 standards. Now if only further revisions will net us 4GHz and then I'll be positively thrilled. Maybe the 45nm K10 will gain us 4GHz?

[AliG]

Maybe it will, but unless they dump soi I don't think amd will hit 4ghz for a while

[STaRGaZeR]

I for one am happy to see the B3 Phenom clocking up to K8 standards. Now if only further revisions will net us 4GHz and then I'll be positively thrilled. Maybe the 45nm K10 will gain us 4GHz?

And what if it does

[RPGWiZaRD]

I will get somewhat excited if Phenom would reach 4.2GHz taking into account Penryn's IPC advantage as well. But that will never happen though, sadly but true.

[Donnie27]

Thing is unless you're willing to buy me a p35 mobo, getting a q6600 is completely out of the question because my budget is too small and I already have an am2 board

Look at my specs? Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L

Edit; only 87 us dollars!

[irev210]

Its sad that everytime the name AMD comes out, everyone has so much crap to say about it.

If you dont like it then just dont say anything

Wait, when companies release products that are inferior to their competitors (regardless of whom) we shouldn't state the facts?


When Intel was in the Netburst era, their chips were crap. Thank god lots of people let it be known so they could buy the superior AMD chips.


You can't inform by "not saying anything"

[Donnie27]

yea, amd should have taken thier winning streak and kept it going. they just got used too the luxury .... shame. atleast there's not a 1ghz difference. like how a 3200+ ( 939 ) was about the same perf as a 3.0 ghz p4

Yepp! Intel got lazy too in the past and it bit them. They also screwed up by putting too many eggs in the processor basket because their Farm was wayyyy to diversified! Meaning they got distracted away from *one of their core businesses.

[Donnie27]

Wait, when companies release products that are inferior to their competitors (regardless of whom) we shouldn't state the facts?


When Intel was in the Netburst era, their chips were crap. Thank god lots of people let it be known so they could buy the superior AMD chips.


You can't inform by "not saying anything"

Absolutely QFT! When or If AMD slaps Intel Silly, we'll see the same type of posts for AMD!

[Donnie27]

And what if it does

What if it doesn't?

[Jimmer411]

I for one am happy to see the B3 Phenom clocking up to K8 standards. Now if only further revisions will net us 4GHz and then I'll be positively thrilled. Maybe the 45nm K10 will gain us 4GHz?

4ghz would be nice. Low priced chips with unlocked multis is very nice imo. Usually you have to pay out your rear for that, and now to see that there is some overclocking headroom makes it even nicer.

Looks like ill be picking up a dfi 790fx pretty soon

[Donnie27]

It's almost as if they feel Intel chips can't stand on their own merits, but need a posse of viral marketers to go with them. When anything positive is posted, you can guarantee a known group to chime in and attempt to squash it before it grows legs. It literally seems as if it's their duty, odd as it may seem. I think they may as well come to terms with reality, and realize that their objective is futile.
It's a two team race, like it or not! I wonder if the litigation has anything to do with it. It's all very strange...

Let's change one word and see what happens here?

It's almost as if they feel AMD chips can't stand on their own merits, but need a posse of viral marketers to go with them. When anything positive is posted, you can guarantee a known group to chime in and attempt to squash it before it grows legs. It literally seems as if it's their duty, odd as it may seem. I think they may as well come to terms with reality, and realize that their objective is futile. It's a two team race, like it or not! I wonder if the litigation has anything to do with it. It's all very strange.

No, we all should lie, fudge and spin for AMD since they need help. Then the same folks bashing other members by calling them Bunnies, Gang, Group, Posse and etc... would gather with us and sing KumBaYa LOL!

[keiths]

I'm curious how much power it draws at 3.2 since Phenoms already draw a huge amount at their stock speeds.

[AliG]

Look at my specs? Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L

Edit; only 87 us dollars!

I'm not going to waste my money on a dual core, that would hardly be an upgrade for my purposes as it will bring considerably faster single threaded tasks, but its still no quad core. If I'm going to do a system overhaul, I'll do it either with nehalem or k11 (which ever is better price:performance)

[Donnie27]

I'm curious how much power it draws at 3.2 since Phenoms already draw a huge amount at their stock speeds.

Please stop that! Talking about their huge power draw is bashing them.

[villa1n]

I for one am happy to see the B3 Phenom clocking up to K8 standards. Now if only further revisions will net us 4GHz and then I'll be positively thrilled. Maybe the 45nm K10 will gain us 4GHz?

These may be then next golden chips, but if amd can do 3.7 ghz on air with a reasonable volatage, they would be in pretty decent shape, depending on how much of an advantage the nehalem ipc has vs it. But in the value segment, definately would be hopeful for that. I lucked out with my current q6600 with it being able to maintain this clock 24/7, so i still cant justify going back to green, as it would be a downgrade unfortunately for me.