Because it's my uncles personal contact (not mine) rather than normal user technical correspondance, I'm limited to not being allowed this liberty, sorry. I know the contact quite well since 2004 and we chat very informally rather than in official tones if I'm around at my uncles work place (I have met and worked with him at times). I can tell you what I learn non-verbatim though, but I ask for personal knowledge and experimentation rather than official responses, bear in mind. I have already mentioned much of what we discussed with respect to temperatures and Core 2 DTS in my last major post with my own Q6600 G0 TjMax hunting, for instance, TDP +3W, IC temp. idle cannot be equal to processor socket ambient temp. on air cooling, it has to be higher, even if slightly.Originally Posted by ixtapalapaquetl
That's one thing to notice, the CPU MFGs don't look at case and environment ambient temps. alone but the most crucial ambient temp. to them is the socket ambient which has to be lower than the actual CPU temp. but higher than the case ambient temp. in all cases (unless more extreme cooling is used i.e. even a chiller). I also verified the safe rating advised at a personal level, I asked what the maximum voltage he would run without worries at 45nm when overclocking, it's 1.3625V tops safe for 45nm. I was warned to stay below it and not even keep 1.35V volts prolonged on air to be frank (note: Intel is not liable for any damage by my personal comments discussing overclocking!). I also asked what the lowest E8400 temperature would be possible on air cooling, at 22C socket ambient at 1.4V real Vdd supply, stock 3GHz and if 35C idle was possible without CE1 (what I was getting), and the answer was not a chance in definite tones. At 1.4V on air cooling, the core would be very hot, idling plus 40C and the contact doubted highly you can even hold temps. below 45C on air idling at that voltage for E8400. These were for my personal guidance though as I have to troubleshoot and setup many systems at the IT department at two of my workplaces (both scientific, one purely medical), so I take serious advice necessary.
unclewebb, I missed the end of your post after my Q6600 testing post. But now that the RealTemp bug is fixed, knowing my TjMax, temperatures above PROCHOT# should show up correctly past 115C, right?
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)). You can have the metal surface (Tcase) idle ambient with large air flow and good thermal resistence between contact materials but you can't have the internal core producing the heat idle at or near ambient (i.e. 0W or 0J/s) even at 1.5W unless you had it naked and were directly cooling the core itself with a lot of pressurised air and good contact thermal resistence. Still, it would not produce a core internally idle ambient temps. unless it was off producing 0W TDP, as we measure using the DTS... only the immediate air contact surface could be, as heat emitted cannot be equal to surrounding temps. and carry increased thermal energy. We have to remember basic circuitry and engineering physics: heat (Q), passively will not travel but from a higher temperature subsystem to a lower temperature subsystem. Heat naturally can only transfer between areas and objects with a temperature difference between the two (zeroth law of thermodynamics) and to the colder object/area (second law of thermodynamics).
Cash reward for the first person to send me a screen shot of that without using PhotoShop. Reward does not include a new processor. If this latest fix causes any problems with people exploring the sub zero spectrum then send me a screen shot so I can look into it.
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