Nope. SP3 is better and quicker than SP2. I've used both.Originally Posted by Suosaaski
Vista was known to be messed up this way even though Microsoft did not state anything as such in their logs. We need initiatives where they are fined if they withhold such information we can clarify.
Options or if chosen doesn't mean it works. It just doesn't change multi's above max multi the CPU can run which are: 11x CPU, 9x NB, 9x HT for yours.
i manage to change 11.5, 200fsb and it OCed to 2300mhz accrding to cpuid...Options or if chosen doesn't mean it works. It just doesn't change multi's above max multi the CPU can run which are: 11x CPU, 9x NB, 9x HT for yours.
one thing i notice can i change my NB setting to x13 or is this the HT speed?am running it to auto..
when i change it to x13 NB frequency reading is 2600mhz and HT speed is 1800mhz, is this normal?
Last edited by madfaze; 03-05-2008 at 11:42 AM.
AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+ AM2 CCB8F 0740 FPMW
MSI K9A2 Platinum v1.2
4 x 1GB Corsair XMS2 (rev 5.1 and rev 5.2)
Zalman CNPS9700LED
PowerColor ATi HD 3870 512MB DDR4 256bit PCIe 2.0
Corsair TX750 Watts (12v @ 60A on a single rail)
80 GB WD SATA I (primary)
250 GB WD SATA II (backup)
any chance i can get P0J from someone to see if i can make it work? (on accound P0H still causes BSOD even with new install)
edit : i don't know if i even should.. hmmm
Last edited by dr_drache; 03-05-2008 at 02:47 PM.
Pretty normal, a known bug.i manage to change 11.5, 200fsb and it OCed to 2300mhz accrding to cpuid...
one thing i notice can i change my NB setting to x13 or is this the HT speed?am running it to auto..
when i change it to x13 NB frequency reading is 2600mhz and HT speed is 1800mhz, is this normal?
Check AMD OverDrive and see what real values it reads
If it changed, then it would read what they read for mine.
Also even better, benchmark it.
Why was your HT stuck at 9x? Because so is your NB.
Start AOD, you won't be able to move HT plus 9x because your NB is only 9x real. If you actually moved it up, the HT will move up along with it. We've been through this many times in this and many other threads.
On MSI site for a while, but courtesy of Suosaaski: http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.ph...e=A7376AMS.P0J
Your own liability entirely.
Nope.
On a side note, while underclocking using MSR values, have a look at this using decimal multiplier and DID. Very very very slow, took long to save a basic 200KB image, about 45 seconds.
Lowest underclock? Quite low that, it crashed very soon after the 1M run due to changing volts past 0.850/1.038. Power for that idle and load differed 2W AC.
Anyway, I've tested very slow, observantly and hard. I's true, my 4th core is the weak link and by far. Any time my system freezes or reboots, it's the 4th core spiking and getting stuck at full load. Luckily the 4th core is not needed for much at all. When I tested stability with high NB volts and higher CPU volts not gaming/lengthy testing on just core3 but on all others, for over 15hrs now, I've had no failure or error. This is what I'm running since then.
Thanks for the update, thought higher DID's than one (2x) did not work. Tried 600MHz with success. 300MHz also works but it's too slow.On a side note, while underclocking using MSR values, have a look at this using decimal multiplier and DID. Very very very slow, took long to save a basic 200KB image, about 45 seconds.
Lowest underclock? Quite low that, it crashed very soon after the 1M run due to changing volts past 0.850/1.038. Power for that idle and load differed 2W AC.
For the record, 0.85V VID was lowest stable for you, no matter what freq?
Update:
broke 100W ground here
96.3W AC idle
100MHz (0x48009500)
Can switch between 100MHz/0.625V and 2.6GHz/1.3625V via reg c0010062h without problems.
UPDATE: 500MHZ/0.7V is somewhat comparable to by old celeron laptop at 600MHz, still onyl 97W AC consumption in idle. I like the higher DID's.
Last edited by justapost; 03-06-2008 at 02:01 PM.
There's a new BIOS, not sure about what it brings. Will try it and see: A7376ACI.101
Air, if cooled, it will bench 2.7G stock volts. I tried two of them, both did, others had some which did the best so far too, some above 3G.really?! stock vcore?!
cool...
Nope, first time hearing it. Set PCIe speed to Auto in BIOS and see what happens.not tested so far cause i had an isue with our board specially on the link width of pcie..sometimes it read out x4 only (instead of x16)...do you happen to experiece that too?!
Which PCIe are you using BTW? Use the one closest to the CPU.
I haven't had any time to try things, only tried 2-3. I was at 207MHz HT and so couldn't try lower, had much work open so not sure. I just left volts as they were for previous 800MHz CnQ setting
I read some ignorant individual online saying AMD Phenom has problems that it can only go to 800MHz power saving, and it's obvious he had no clue what he was talking about, so we proved him wrong.
400MHz is fully stable, even 150MHz was fully stable switching between ~150MHz to 2691MHz. I never tried lower yet.
I think we're making very good ground here Achim, excellent tweakers chip its become.
It looks to be too complicated a chip for too many out there to get most out of though.
You're right, below 400MHz gets slow, jitters and stutters. 400MHz seems like best CnQ option to run and that's what I've been running since my last post. I also have 3rd core downclocked (13x core 0,1,2 and 12.5x core3). This is what I'm running for a day now:
Enable CnQ:
Nice, glad you got below 100W, finallyUpdate:
broke 100W ground here
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=96acc2b.jpg
96.3W AC idle
100MHz (0x48009500)
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=100dh0.jpg
Can switch between 100MHz/0.625V and 2.6GHz/1.3625V via reg c0010062h without problems.
UPDATE: 500MHZ/0.7V is somewhat comparable to by old celeron laptop at 600MHz, still onyl 97W AC consumption in idle. I like the higher DID's.
I am idling 93W AC with the above CnQ config (2xHDD,1xOptical,2xfans). Same as 800MHz/0.850V-1800/1.038. Which means, the power consumption for CPU at the 1GHz mark idling is negligible and most of the AC power is the rest of the system. Phenom at 200MHz/0.600V idle cannot be consuming much power at all, it won't even be 10W DC IMHO.
Quick calc: 95*((200/2300)*(0.600²/1.232²))
= 1.959W TDP
So CPU alone will have very low power idle at those settings, the rest will be nearly all other system component power. That's why CPU power is not going down much and neither is CPU temperature.
That's kinda incredible that it can run stable from 100-2700MHz, no core that I know has done that or given the user the ability to run CnQ in such a way. BTW I have the Abit 770 and the GBT Odin since a few hours now. Going to set it up morning, too busy now before sleep.
It's supposedly 1.3 with option for TLB-fix disable. I asked for MSI with an option in BIOS for it and they uploaded that BIOS to their FTP-server a few days ago.
I am not sure what it is based on though, my guess is 1.3.
That bolded one...
Last edited by Suosaaski; 03-06-2008 at 10:29 PM.
yup i always use the first mezzanine the one nearest to pcie, have to reseated to bring x16..well its my first time too, wish they had a locked in it...
AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+ AM2 CCB8F 0740 FPMW
MSI K9A2 Platinum v1.2
4 x 1GB Corsair XMS2 (rev 5.1 and rev 5.2)
Zalman CNPS9700LED
PowerColor ATi HD 3870 512MB DDR4 256bit PCIe 2.0
Corsair TX750 Watts (12v @ 60A on a single rail)
80 GB WD SATA I (primary)
250 GB WD SATA II (backup)
Ah looking at your screenies 0.625 also works for you.I read some ignorant individual online saying AMD Phenom has problems that it can only go to 800MHz power saving, and it's obvious he had no clue what he was talking about, so we proved him wrong.
The high power consumption due to overclocking in idle always bothered me. With a tweaked ps-1 this is no problem anymore.400MHz is fully stable, even 150MHz was fully stable switching between ~150MHz to 2691MHz. I never tried lower yet.
I think we're making very good ground here Achim, excellent tweakers chip its become.
p-state tweaking is also neat for testing individual cores, even with cnq. As soon as you remove the load you are save.
Gonna try to enable more than two p-states this weekend if i find the time, also have a small gui app in the works, might take a week, can work an hour max per day on that.
Now with those low cpu TDP the difference in AC shrinks, you have one hd more that might make 5W max difference. Gigabyte PSU should arive here next week.I am idling 93W AC with the above CnQ config (2xHDD,1xOptical,2xfans). Same as 800MHz/0.850V-1800/1.038. Which means, the power consumption for CPU at the 1GHz mark idling is negligible and most of the AC power is the rest of the system. Phenom at 200MHz/0.600V idle cannot be consuming much power at all, it won't even be 10W DC IMHO.
Quick calc: 95*((200/2300)*(0.600²/1.232²))
= 1.959W TDP
So CPU alone will have very low power idle at those settings, the rest will be nearly all other system component power. That's why CPU power is not going down much and neither is CPU temperature.
Wonder in what degree the cpu will suffer from higher voltage and temperature differences over time.That's kinda incredible that it can run stable from 100-2700MHz, no core that I know has done that or given the user the ability to run CnQ in such a way. BTW I have the Abit 770 and the GBT Odin since a few hours now. Going to set it up morning, too busy now before sleep.
But having different p-state profiles for manual switching will come in handy here.
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