GeForce 9800 GX2, 9800 GTX & 3870 X2 Compared

[flopper]

*yawn*, ATi's been ahead at 06 this round, why is this a surprise now?

Seriously, it's the games that matter.

That said, the 9 series(and the 3870's) are a disappointment in my eyes either way. A year and a half after the 8800GTX and they STILL can't show a card that's fast enough to make a worth-while look, much less upgrade...

Ah well, just keeps this being the best gpu investment in quite some time.

x1950xtx to 8800gt was well worth it.
now, nothing as far impress me for an upgrade.
double the fps or sumtin that shows a reason for upgrade.

later this year maybe there is a reason for an upgrade.
Next generation, this one isnt a reason to upgrade even with x2 and gx2.

[Tim]

don't u see? 3dmark is a fair indication....it should pretty much double up the score for the 9800 gx2 and a fast cpu. 14k for gx2 isn't digestable

Not anymore it is. You need a faster CPU. Doesn't that tell you anything??

[jimmyz]

Oh yeah, dismiss the fact that Crysis runs like ass on ALL ATi Hardware.

and we'll dismiss the fact you don't know jack **** about it. ATI run's crysis just fine. take your crapping elsewhere. dollar for dollar the cards are almost equal.

[Tim]

and we'll dismiss the fact you don't know jack **** about it. ATI run's crysis just fine. take your crapping elsewhere. dollar for dollar the cards are almost equal.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...ormance_1q08/2

Performance in Crysis isn't that great in my opinion. nVidia definitely are faster.

[v_rr]

*yawn*, ATi's been ahead at 06 this round, why is this a surprise now?

Seriously, it's the games that matter.

That said, the 9 series(and the 3870's) are a disappointment in my eyes either way. A year and a half after the 8800GTX and they STILL can't show a card that's fast enough to make a worth-while look, much less upgrade...

Ah well, just keeps this being the best gpu investment in quite some time.

Well RV770, RV740 and R700 are just arround the corner (1 quarter away +/-), and with the failure of Gf 9xxx series ati as here a good chance to turn arround things in market share in 2008.

[jimmyz]

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...ormance_1q08/2

Performance in Crysis isn't that great in my opinion. nVidia definitely are faster.

nice a link that doesn't show any of the cards this thread is about, wow you sure proved my point. try again.

[Tim]

nice a link that doesn't show any of the cards this thread is about, wow you sure proved my point. try again.

Well he said ALL ATI hardware didn't he?

Oh yeah, dismiss the fact that Crysis runs like ass on ALL ATi Hardware.

[jimmyz]

I know my rig is an exception but it runs great on my rig and also on my buddys dual core with a 2900xt. Nvidia fanboys act like it won't run or is just plain terrible which isn't true at all.

I'm not disputing the 8800 gtx or ultra run Crysis better than comperable ati cards... crytech would be in hot water if it didn't.

[grimREEFER]

it really is plain terrible on everything outside of 8800u tri sli.
it runs ty on all cards out now, and its gonna run ty on next gen cards too from the looks of it.

[NH|Delph1]

Well RV770, RV740 and R700 are just arround the corner (1 quarter away +/-), and with the failure of Gf 9xxx series ati as here a good chance to turn arround things in market share in 2008.

I seriously doubt that the 9 series will fail. On the contrary. You're all looking at the cards as meager improvement of the GeForce 8 series, but considering GeForce 8 is a good, yet very old, series it is going to succeed.
Most people are just going to see that the new cards are slightly faster and less power consuming than the old ones and be happy with that.
The hardcore people like us are of course disappointed, but we're still just a drop in the ocean for NVIDIA. Even though we do create the most headlines.

And what really puzzles me is that there wasn't half the discussion when ATI decided to name the RV670 cards HD 3800 instead of 2950...

//Andreas

[v_rr]

And what really puzzles me is that there wasn't half the discussion when ATI decided to name the RV670 cards HD 3800 instead of 2950...

//Andreas

DX_10.1 masked that, because historicaly a new serie = new DX revision.
And in ATI the power savings where much more drastic with the new crossfire-X maked also some diference.

[jimmyz]

it really is plain terrible on everything outside of 8800u tri sli.
it runs ty on all cards out now, and its gonna run ty on next gen cards too from the looks of it.

have you even played it? plays fine on my rig

[NH|Delph1]

DX_10.1 masked that, because historicaly a new serie = new DX revision.
And in ATI the power savings where much more drastic with the new crossfire-X maked also some diference.

I'll give you half a point for that, mainly because history speaks against you on some early occasions, but overall I agree with you.

Power savings will be significant with GF9 series as well, but perhaps not to the same degree.

I still think that people are overreacting now compared to then, but I guess it's easier to like AMD/ATI than NVIDIA.
I would know since NVIDIA has shunned us...

//Andreas

[Papu]

i like games.

[Ugly n Grey]

Nothing is fast at crysis and throwing four ATI video cards at it didn't help so who cares? I question whether crysis will ever run full steam on ANYTHING. Time is better spent looking at train wrecks. That game shouldn't even be mentioned benchmarking something. I'll wet myself laughing when the next monster comes out and pull 45 fps at crysis on a good day,

[G.Foyle]

I have said it many times and will say it again: did Far Cry turn out to be future of gaming? did CryEngine1 turn out to be most used and popular engine?
The same is true for Crysis and CryEngine2. It's a jungle rendering tech demo. It has nothing to do with future of gaming. I'd rather look at Source engine, UEngine3, next idTech (sadly no benches available yet).

[adamsleath]

consider the cost of the original 8800gtx vs the 9 series cards on the verge....that's basically the difference. 9 series is cheaper to make, and buy, and has similar performance to the 8800 series cards.

that's it.

next gen with big performance differences come later, in the future, not now.


so; what is left is: how much are the 9 series cards? and will they cost less than 8 series cards at launch and who will buy them?

not me for 1

any1 with a gtx or ultra dont need them, so that leaves 'others'

[Epsilon84]

I'm more interested in gaming performance than 3DMark performance, so I'll reserve judgement until then. If you want to use 3DMark as an indication of gaming performance then the 2900XT would almost be as fast as the 8800GTX...

[KoHaN69]

8800gtx Ftw :d

[TG01]

I question whether crysis will ever run full steam on ANYTHING.

There once was a time when nothing out there could run DOOM3 full steam..

[Papu]

There once was a time when nothing out there could run DOOM3 full steam..

lol no ati cards can run doom3 on full as it is Lolololbbq11111imsopro8800Ftwrzor

am i cool now?

bashing makes me sick... i loved my 2900.

[KoHaN69]

There once was a time when nothing out there could run DOOM3 full steam..

You're kidding right?
I played on max setting on my 9700 PRO

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I think the need of a video card upgrade seems to be the desire to game at a native LCD resolution, rather than to game period.

. I'd rather look at Source engine, UEngine3, next idTech (sadly no benches available yet).

Source engine is amazing. It's the only engine of mainstream games that doesn't even require Directx9!
and vALVE is great about SDK and supporting modders. But its steam-platform and memory management could always use improvement. That said, 2-year old hardware could run most source games maxed out at decent framerates.

U3 is at least at least 2 years old now. And unfortunatelly many new games use it. Unlike source, epic has their heads up their arse and their wallets with nvidia, because there was no reason to drop SM2.0 support, losing all X800 owners - a significant cut of the market.

afaik, Carmack previewed idTech5 on a Macbook Pro. That, and the development on all platforms at once approach, suggest that it's just a mere evolution of Doom3 engine.

My point is - there are no clear-leading fairly optimized game engine that pushes modern hardware performance.

[zakelwe]

To be fair on Crysis, Far Cry made cards bleed for a long time and now is fine. Website testers have used it for a longtime and have just stopped using it as part of their testing in general. It still looks good. I think that Crysis will follow that as well. Could be a while waiting for it though.

As for this comparison, after the big jump nvidia did with G70 they have made small improvements it seems but mainly in keeping their margins up and getting the cards "potentially" cheaper to the end user but have not concentrated that much on performance jumps. ATi has caught up with them to a larger degree though I think most people will say they are still a touch behind in general.

We are treading water until the next big jump forward.

Regards

Andy

[artissco]

This (or next) month will come out new 3dmark vantage and then we will see what is the best videocard for future games... With games what we play now, we can't see all potential what it can produce...

i think... or maybe im wrong...

[mascaras]

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