The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[zlojack]

I tried 1003 and had the same issues... would just send itself back to the bios unless it was all set to auto.

Needless to say, I reflashed to 0907.

[iadstudio]

Nuckin_Futs, I'm not sure what OSs are effected by the downgradeable bios update utility issue. However, now that I know crashfree bios actually works I'm not so concerned about it anymore. This is certainly the flash-back of choice for me.

[Raver]

Nuckin_Futs, can you tell us what NB voltage you have and temps please.

Or better yet your whole settings template.

[Tony]

seems 1003 does not like 45nm cpu's, those with 65nm cpus look to be doing fine...this needs to be reflected on the first page with the bios.

I will poke asus again to see whats happening and see if they can fix the multi/fsb issue

[Spyrus]

If possible ask them to have +/- 1 steps for tRFC.

[HousERaT]

seems 1003 does not like 45nm cpu's, those with 65nm cpus look to be doing fine...this needs to be reflected on the first page with the bios.

I will poke asus again to see whats happening and see if they can fix the multi/fsb issue

Thanks for pressing the issue on this Tony.

[M-XXXX]

What are the highest voltages for benching under water? (water has about 5-6C) I have under water NB and CPU, and I would like to know max voltages for:
CPU Voltage
CPU PLL Voltage
North Bridge Voltage
FSB Termination Voltage
South Bridge Voltage
Thank you!

[xgman]

Also, the 2nd RAM slots (White) are noted as being best for highest 2 stick OC to 1300MHz (good RAM, average= DDR1200).

Anyone else here seeing this?

[Renegade5399]

I don't see this. My Ballistix got to DDR2-1257 in either blue or white.

[Dostoyevsky77]

I've heard others suggest this too, but I've always run in 4x1, so it's not important for me. I have gotten past 1250 with all four DIMMs.

Incidentally, does anyone have experience with manual DDR REF voltages for 4x1?

[zlojack]

Mine don't do too well above 1000 MHz...

But they are 2x2 rather than 4x1, so it's a known issue.

[Ymir]

Anyone else here seeing this?

I haven't. Could vary by board and RAM, because I have seen other accounts that are similar.

[Grnfinger]

I don't see this. My Ballistix got to DDR2-1257 in either blue or white.

Same for me
blue or white the ram will run the same , same bench scores and will crap out at the same MHz.

[Durkadurka]

I've heard others suggest this too, but I've always run in 4x1, so it's not important for me. I have gotten past 1250 with all four DIMMs.

Incidentally, does anyone have experience with manual DDR REF voltages for 4x1?

I see you say you run your ram at 2.18v, is that what you set in BIOS?
(I will be using 4 of the same memory sticks, so curious to know)

[jnick]

This is going to sound really newbish, but how do I figure out what the memory divider is on this board? All of my mobo's in the past have had a divider setting...however this one apparently does not.

What is the math behind figuring out the current memory divider based on FSB?

My memory is natively DDR2-1000. If I were to set my mobo to 350fsb, what divider would I be running? If someone could show me the math based on the above numbers, hopefully I'll be able to see what's going on

[Nuckin_Futs]

What is the temp reading problem? I have phase so I don't see real temps anyway.

I too am curious about all this so called temp error I keep hearing of. Are those having problems, saying your CPU (as read by ASUS PC Probe II and CMOS) displays the higher of the 2 temps or that it just reads higher then any other app reads? Example, the CPU temp displayed in CMOS is only the CPU IHS top average temp, not the internal core. . v901 was supposed to correct this by displaying the combined core temps in both CMOS but PC Probe II would still display CPU IHS emp. Idealy, the internal temps are gonna' be warmer and the IHS coler, so we should be focusing on the core temps, not the heat sink or IHS for bragging, of corse it's always less.

Just downloaded 1003 and when i change multi from auto i get no boot! Have changed back to 0907!

i had something simular. I guess I'm the only one here with the issue. I EZ-Flashed to 907, didnt like it and reverted (XP x64 live update) bk to 802, worked fine. I EZ-Flashed to 903 and now it was locked to auto, default only, I could not change so much as anything in CMOS, could only boot to XP x64 if I pressed F2 to continue. I of corse (Live update v6.10.02) bk to 802, and same thing. I'm still there. Oh well, may get time to RMA soon.

I'm called up ASUS today to get my RMA, and They will only repair it....They will not give out any replacements, and if they say the board is non-repairable, they will call me and give me "options" I'm never going with ASUS again....

Does this apply to bad BIOS flash or general problems or all. However, in my case, all I need is the eprom so should be simple for them.

Nuckin_Futs, can you tell us what NB voltage you have and temps please.

Or better yet your whole settings template.

I of corse lsot a lot of my files in another DATA loss due to checkdisk error gone bad so I will have to look it up since I cant get out of AUTO on this system right now. I will recover some from my notebook maybe to share, or else check my previous post wich show complete CMOS layouts with recorded temps for several OC profiles.

I don't see this. My Ballistix got to DDR2-1257 in either blue or white.

Ya, these RAMs are great, I got 1266 out of mine on my old P5K (black slots - 2nd slot). It did need 2.34 as reported. We should all know by now that this mobo overvolts so can we please start listing our volts as reported, not set, or both if you will? ThankX1

This is going to sound really newbish, but how do I figure out what the memory divider is on this board? All of my mobo's in the past have had a divider setting...however this one apparently does not.

What is the math behind figuring out the current memory divider based on FSB?

My memory is natively DDR2-1000. If I were to set my mobo to 350fsb, what divider would I be running? If someone could show me the math based on the above numbers, hopefully I'll be able to see what's going on

This a norm for ASUS for the past 10yrs. However, it is rather simple compared to other mobos. No math needed, just select an FSB and choose a calculated DRAM Frequency. Leave the CPU strap to mobo out of it as all the selections are available in AUTO and much more stable anyways for climbing FAB to 500.

[Raver]

Nuckin Futs one thing you need to remember is even though you leave the STARP on AUTO, once you select a certain MHz for the mem it will automatically kick in the appropriate starp. So without knowing you might be trying to boot at the 266 starp while using a certain FSB and selecting a certain mem speed.

It work fine for you because you are running your mem at 1:1 so the 400MHz starp is the one being selected by the mobo. But if you select a mem speed that is diffrent than your FSB speed you might not boot because that divider you selected belongs to the 266 starp.

So dont be fooled by the fact that when you set the STARP to AUTO and you see all the mem dividers show up, some of them belong to the 266 starp, some belong to the 333 starp and some to the 400 starp.

I hope what I'm saying is comprehensible :p


Ok I went into BIOS and selected an FSB of 400MHz, set the STARP to AUTO, then to 200, 266, 333 and 400.
These are the results I got in the memory DDR2 MHz speed.


Jnick I put the formulas so you can see how to figure out what STARP and divider you need to get as close to your 350FSB and 1000DDR2 mem speed, relative speed is your mem DDR2 divided by 2, so it's 500.

so for a FSB of 350MHz and you want to reach 500MHz relative for your mem, the closet would be the 400 starp and the 3:4 divider 350x4/3=466 (DDR2-933MHz)
Or you can use the 333 STARP and use the 5:8 divider but then your mem will be overclocked, 350x8/5=560 (DDR2-1120MHz)

For oveclocking you use the 333 and 400 STARPS the 266 and 200 have low FSB limits.


FSB 400
Starp Auto
DDR2 MHz
800
961
1003
1066
1203
1280
1334
1603

FSB 400
Starp 200
DDR2 MHz
1334
1600

FSB 400
Starp 266
DDR2 MHz
1003
1203
1603

FSB 400
Starp 333
DDR2 MHz
801 <-----------------> DDR2 800MHz relative speed is 400MHz so this divider is 1:1 i.e. 400x1/1=400
961 <-----------------> DDR2 961MHz relative speed is 480MHz so this divider is 5:6 i.e. 400x6/5=480
1280 <---------------> DDR2 1280MHz relative speed is 640MHz so this divider is 5:8 i.e. 400x8/5=640

FSB 400
Starp 400
DDR 2MHz
800 <-----------------> DDR2 800MHz relative speed is 400MHz so this divider is 1:1 i.e. 400x1/1=400
1066 <---------------> DDR2 1066MHz relative speed is 533MHz so this divider is 3:4 i.e. 400x4/3=533

So here you can see that when you set the STRAP to AUTO some of the resulting DDR MHz speeds are also in the other STARP selections and if you chose one of those DDR MHz speeds your BIOS wil select the corresponding STRAP.

You might end up trying to boot with a FSB of 400MHZ on the 266 STARP, it probaly wont boot.

[Nuckin_Futs]

Actually there is a way to downgrade your bios IF you are using Vista x64.
I did this...

1. Reboot etc and start flashing of 09xx bios from DOS.
2. After the erase part you will see "writing flash". Now turn off your computer
3. Now the crash-free bios will kick in and you can flash to whatever bios you want using a flashdrive/thumbdrive/memorystick like Corsair Flash Voyager etc. Just name the bios you want to be flashed like "FORMULA.ROM".
You can also use the driver-cd to recover your bios back to 0401.
4. Now be happy with your downgrade

O.K. I figured why not, I'm likely gonna' just end up RMA'n it anywayz, so might as well gave it a try. Well, it was tricky to get back up but it did after 3 trys but same thing again. I cannot set anything in CMOS without it locking up at SET RAM. If I press F2 it loads to XP x64 fine as default. Beyond that, everything is same. I started from BIOS v005, moved to v0505, v0602, and same.

Each time I flash (YES EZ-Flash) it will reboot and come up to the same CMOS eror with choice to press F1 to enter set up or F2 to load defaults and continue. If I so much as set the time and exit to save, it will never POST past DET RAM. I have to clear CMOS and reboot. Only the time is kept, everything else is stuck in default.

I will just figure this as an isolated issue since I got none, what so ever other feed back of something at least close. It happens.

To others reading, this is a great mobo even if at stock, but once OC'd, it's awsome.

@ Darkstormz, How did yours crash that led you to need to use this method? or was it trial to flashback?

[Grnfinger]

testing my new cpu



notice the 10x multi


dont think this chip will do well, it was an early batch

[Zucker2k]

Looks like your chip isn't satisfied with the 9x multi.... it wants more...

[eSp!s0]

Haven`t seen this before or it was a fake

[Leeghoofd]

Hows does that work Grnfinger a Q6600 with a 10X multi ? a wrongly named Q6700 ? performance though doesn't seem so impressive 1.4 volts for only 3.4ghz... bummer...

[teknokid]

Woah... did you just set a 10x multi in the bios? thats wierd

[kup]

It's an ES chip, they're unlocked...

[Grnfinger]

looks like it will hit a wall at 3.8 needing 1.565 (bios) I was hoping to get a 4.0GHz at decent volts but oh well.