ASUS Maximus Formula SE

[cstkl1]

If the tRD is the "Read To Write Delay Time", it can be manually set to 7. Is this not the same?

nope..
read anandtech x48 review

also another good read was from this website
edgeofstability.com

[cstkl1]

Noo, do not use AUTO, as this board will overvolt everything!!! as u want to beat your old CPU, start with 445x9 = 4005ghz,
strap: 400mhz, 1.20-1.40FSBv and 1.47-1.49NBv should be enough, really depends on the board and cpu. and try to figure out how much vcore u need, set accordingly SBv: 1.05 SB1.5v: 1.50v, CPU GTL : 0.63x NB GTL: 0.67x, and set CPU PLL: to 1.50 ( as it overvolts crazy lol), transaction booster/ dram read static control: Auto or disable clock twister : auto. And pay extra attention to vDRAM: as it overvolts by 0.08 , here again it depends on what mem u got. These "basic settings" u can use to start.

Right now I am priming with the above setting 468FSBx9 , 1.20FSBv, 1.49NBv, 333 strap, transaction/dram static disabled/ clocktwister strong, so far it works.

I am currently using BIOS 0907, seems to work great, but so are 0802 & 0903 , I tried, but I didnt noticed any differences between those.

hmm cool but i havent seen anybody with a e8400 on 450fsb above
pass orthos large fft/prime large fft ...

thats the issue..
also hmm not sure how but when i use the fsb voltage lower than vcore..
although the rams are unstable.. but manage to pass orthos small fft prioriy 8 on a lower vcore for an hour.

[Spyrus]

I have posted my settings for orthos stable blend default priority.
These where at 9x450@air. Didn't try with higher fsb since this was
the 24/7 i wanted.
But benching at 9x500 was easy with PL=8 though and have manually set
PLL=minimum=1.5 and fsbtermination=1.2(minimum) again.

[cstkl1]

THis is my current Problem..

CPU Configuration E8400

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
CPU Ratio Control [Manual]
Ratio CMOS Setting [8x]
FSB Frequency [500MHz]
FSB Strap To North Bridge [Auto]*
PCIE Frequency [110]
DRAM Frequency [Auto]*

DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
Primary Info; 5-5-5-15-4-42-6-4

Scondary Info; 8-4-5-4-6-4-6

Ive loosen the ram timings according to OCZ reaper PC2-8500 EPP profile.


DRAM Static Read Control [Auto]*
Ai Clock Twister [Auto]*
Transaction Booster [Auto]*
Relax Level [Auto]*
------------------------------------------ [CMOS setting] = effective value
CPU Voltage [1.5875v] = 1.275v = 1.256v loaded
CPU PLL Voltage 1.52v = 1.632v
North Bridge Voltage [1.47v] = 1.504v
DRAM Voltage [2.12v] = 2.208v
FSB Termination Voltage [1.22v] = 1.136v
South Bridge Voltage [1.075v] = 1.104v
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Refference [0.63%]
North Bridge GTL Reference [0.63%]
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage [Auto]
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage [ Auto]
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5v Voltage [1.55v] = 1.584v

Proc Stable as hell on small fft priority 8/9 as long as i dong mess with the FSB termination..
anything above it.. fails in 30 minutes orthos or fail to boot.
anything below it.. Hangs or failt to boot..

Rams Fails in 30secs and sometimes even last to 5 minutes on large fft orthos

any clues??

[Tony]

If you guys are seeing 4GB ram clocking issues, especially with 2x2GB modules the issue is TRFC.
Asus in their wisdom have limited TRFC to a max of 42 unless your modules have SPD higher. I have an SPD for the OCZ 8000 ReaperX which gets round this issue , if you need it come post over on the support forum.

I have a feeling those of you running 4GB 4x1GB modules may need to set higher than 42 also, it makes a huge difference to stability.

Just a heads up, Asus know and we are beating on them to fix this. It effects all 965,P35,X38 and X48 boards

[cadaveca]

Thanks Tony! I hope you are successful...4x1gb @ 600mhz needs your help!

[Tony]

There are a lot of non-micron 1066 parts available now, 1066 1.8V is getting quite easy but TRFC does need to be loser than with Micron parts.

[cadaveca]

I thought it odd I did not see higher values on X38...considering how DDR3 goes...i thought someone would completely open up the chipset to DDR2, but I mean really...bioses have come a long way in the last little while when it comes to overclocking...

[Spyrus]

With bold are my suggestions

THis is my current Problem..

CPU Configuration E8400

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
CPU Ratio Control [Manual]
Ratio CMOS Setting [8x]
FSB Frequency [500MHz]
FSB Strap To North Bridge [400]
PCIE Frequency [100]
DRAM Frequency [DDR-1000]*

DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
Primary Info; 5-5-5-15-4-42-6-4

Scondary Info; 8-4-5-4-6-4-6

Ive loosen the ram timings according to OCZ reaper PC2-8500 EPP profile.


DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Light]
Transaction Booster [Enabled/Disabled]
Relax Level [1]
------------------------------------------ [CMOS setting] = effective value
CPU Voltage [1.5875v] = 1.275v = 1.256v loaded
CPU PLL Voltage 1.52v = 1.632v
North Bridge Voltage [1.47v] = 1.504v
DRAM Voltage [2.12v] = 2.208v
FSB Termination Voltage [1.22v] = 1.136v
South Bridge Voltage [1.075v] = 1.104v
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Refference [0.63%]
North Bridge GTL Reference [0.67%]
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage [Auto]
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage [ Auto]
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5v Voltage [1.55v] = 1.584v

Proc Stable as hell on small fft priority 8/9 as long as i dong mess with the FSB termination..
anything above it.. fails in 30 minutes orthos or fail to boot.
anything below it.. Hangs or failt to boot..

Rams Fails in 30secs and sometimes even last to 5 minutes on large fft orthos

any clues??

But if you want 4GHz try 9x450- because 500 fsb is stressing mobo

[Jaekae]

Hi im new with overclocking so i would like to get a little help to get my system stable at 4 ghz. I have a e8400 , maximus formula and crucial ballistix 8500.

current settings are
_________________________________
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 435
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-870
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : disabled
Relax level: 0

CPU Voltage : 1.31
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.47
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
________________________________________

I ran it 30 min in orthos without any problems and tried 3d mark and got 14325 score, but tested cod4 later and had a bit of fps drops.

Any settings i can change to get it more stable? will try get fsb to 445 later.

[.OCX]

Hi im new with overclocking so i would like to get a little help to get my system stable at 4 ghz. I have a e8400 , maximus formula and crucial ballistix 8500.

current settings are
_________________________________
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 435
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-870
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : disabled
Relax level: 0

CPU Voltage : 1.31
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.47
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
________________________________________

I ran it 30 min in orthos without any problems and tried 3d mark and got 14325 score, but tested cod4 later and had a bit of fps drops.

Any settings i can change to get it more stable? will try get fsb to 445 later.

Hello,

Those Ballistics have a lot of horsepower with a 400 Strap you can take advantage of. Plus a lot of folks are reporting tight timings which gives you some flexibility for overclocking.

Backup/Save your Current Overclocks to a Profile in Bios:

Try these:

FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1159
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : ENABLED
Relax level: 0

CPU Voltage : 1.31 Subjective to your Situation

CPU PLL Voltage :
1.50vBios ~ 1.632v HM (Hardware Monitor) Start Here@ 1.50vBios
1.52vBios ~
1.54vBios ~ 1.664
1.56vBios ~ 1.696

North Bridge Voltage : 1.47 This may need to be increased with 47c Max Temperature to watch out for underload.

FSB Termination Voltage :
1.20(Start at 1.20v. Many users stable at 1.20-1.22v.)

CPU GTL Reference : .61x
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :DDR2

[CERO]

Dram static enabled should work too pared with strong twister and TB enabled, up to 450 fsb with ballistix,

[Aurhinius]

Thanks Tony! I hope you are successful...4x1gb @ 600mhz needs your help!

Running 4 x 1 Gb Transcend AXeram 1200+'s at 600mhz with this board. Had to up NB v to 1.49 from 1.45 and FSB term V from 1.4 to 1.51.

5,5,5,12,42 no problem at 2.2vdram TRD 7 4:3 divider FSB 450, strap 400 Q6600 at 3.6ghz. Tried CAS 4 but I think that is impossible unless someone can suggest settigs :-) Couldn't get 700mhz either at CAS6 :-(

My Gskill 8000's 2x2Gb gave up at just over 500mhz with a TRFC of 52 programmed into the SPD. So not sure extra TRFC will make much of a difference.

[Tony]

TRFC makes a huge difference to modules with 128x8 density...you guys need to look past 64x8 microns as they don't need TRFC loser than 42 in many cases.

Micron is losings its grip on 1066 and higher IC's, OCZ have dimms doing 1066 at 1.8V now 64x8 and 128x8's doing 1150 with 2V...so you could in theory have 8Gb running 1100+MHZ real soon guaranteed....but they will need TRFC higher than 42.

The big picture is micron does not need higher TRFC in most cases, but Micron is losing its grip on the market and these new IC's need higher TRFC.

I have 3 bios files already with TRFC to 132 from bios, 1 being for the maximus formula...i can NOT release this bios im only a beta tester.

Sit tight...you will see it soon once we have tested.

[Tony]

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My Gskill 8000's 2x2Gb gave up at just over 500mhz with a TRFC of 52 programmed into the SPD. So not sure extra TRFC will make much of a difference.

52 is to low

[Spyrus]

If i understand correctly you are saying that:
1)Micron D9's can have low tRFC (25 for mine at 600+MHz) but cannot clock well at same voltages with other brand modules?
2)So the other brand modules can play at higher MHz but not keeping low tRFC?

Example:
Micron D9's @600MHz@2.2v@tRFC 25
Powerchips,Elpida etc @600MHz@2.1V@tRFC 40+

[Tony]

thats right, except TRFC needs to be 54 or higher over 960MHZ.

New IC's are rated 1066 1.8V, some are doing 1150 1.8V 5-5-5-18 but need higher TRFC values than D9

[Tony]

Started testing and it does help

[Aurhinius]

I have to confess to not knowing much about memory overclocking but I would imagine there is a bandwidth sacrifice made for that higher TRFC Tony?

increasing TRFC to 56 as you have suggested on average what do you think you could get in terms of raw mhz and what would the associated TRD be?

I'm thinking if you have to settle for a TRD of 8 and 1100mhz and TRFC of 56 then Micron d9's at TRD 7 1200mhz TRFC 42 are going to be the better choice?

I'd be more interested if Asus gave us better control over TRD so I can get my d9's running at 1200mhz TRD 6 :-)

[Tony]

you have good control of TRD, enable 0=6 and disable 0=7, 1=8, 2=9

TRFC is just coming to the forefront, as is 8GB usage with vista, 1GB dimms are last years tech now and its time to move on IMO

[Aurhinius]

I don't doubt it if you want to see 8 gig but honestly. Can the X38 north bridge handle 4x2 at high FSB's?

as for TRD. Isn't the TRD dependent on the strap.

I am running enable 0 at the moment and memset reports 7 not 6. Tried enable 1 which I assume is 6 and I am guessing the north bridge or the memory just can't handle it :-/

To be honest I have can't get anything with the 266 strap working without relaxing TRD.

If you have any advice Tony it is always greatly received.

[GFORCE100]

you have good control of TRD, enable 0=6 and disable 0=7, 1=8, 2=9

TRFC is just coming to the forefront, as is 8GB usage with vista, 1GB dimms are last years tech now and its time to move on IMO

I believe he meant allows us to change TRD as in the Rampage Formula X48 BIOS which actually works. The Maximus Formula BIOS just doesn't cut it yet when it comes to straps.......and yet it gets the ROG badge.

[Aldy402]

anybody successfully force the rampage formula BIOS on this board?

[kup]

anybody successfully force the rampage formula BIOS on this board?

Not that I'm aware of. I tried and tried with all manner of flash utilities but couldn't do it.

If someone could modify the model string within the Rampage bios to that of the Maximus it should work.

[Spyrus]

I have not tested my self the difference with loose tRFC over raw MHz.
But i will do it. Interesting though...