E8500 or Q6600

[The0men]

I am very sorry to start another kind of meaningless thread. But I really want some firm knowledge if I can put an E8500 into my P5N32-E Sli mobo (680i)

I am looking to get a new processor, and for about $320AUD I can get a Q6600 and for a little bit more I can get a E8500.

I am hoping to gain high clocks, and it seems everyone is happy with how the E8500 preforms so far, but they are not something I know about, and I was only going to get a Q6600 if I can get a SLACR but I dont know what are good 8500's etc.

Thank you for any replies

[YukonTrooper]

The 8500 will clock higher (likely), but the Q6600 does offer two extra cores. Depends what you do man. Some apps and games like dual core and some like quad.

[atlxkevinx]

Yeah like Yukon said, but I prefer the Quad, you get two more extra cores and the G0 will give you atleast 4.0Ghz if you are equipped with the right cooling unless you get real unlucky. I would go the Quad just because its 4 cores.. haha.. I guess I am bias..

[AriciU]

E8500 of course :P

[The0men]

Damn its sooo hard to decide, g0 are proven overclockers, and there isnt alot of data out on the E8500 yet, although it's looking good so far.

The application doesn't matter so, much, it's just because I like computer hardware and overclocking.

Is everyone sure that an E8500 will work with my 680i?

thanks

[[XC] gomeler]

I don't know if the board itself will support Wolfdale but the difference between a Q6600 and an E8500 is like comparing a big truck to a sports car. E8500 will beat the pants off the Q6600 on air-cooling with mid 4GHz possible 24/7(if the previews are true) while the Q6600 while slap the E8500 around in multi-threaded applications. I personally bought a Q6600 and QX9650 as I prefer quad-cores for crunching when I'm not benching, but the E8500 would be a great gaming and SuperPi/3D01 chip.

[LiViD]

According to Asus, that board does not support the E8400. The only Nvidia based boards that do are the Striker Extreme II, P5NSLI, and P5N-T Deluxe. The majority of their Intel chipset based boards past the P965 will work with it though.

Support is limited with the 680i, so you have been forewarned. If you want guaranteed support for 45nm, get the 780i. This is why I avoid Nvidia chipsets as the 2 year old P965 will support them with overclocking. :P Typical Intel-shaft-Nvidia / Nvidia-shaft-Intel.

[AriciU]

I don't know if the board itself will support Wolfdale but the difference between a Q6600 and an E8500 is like comparing a big truck to a sports car. E8500 will beat the pants off the Q6600 on air-cooling with mid 4GHz possible 24/7(if the previews are true) while the Q6600 while slap the E8500 around in multi-threaded applications. I personally bought a Q6600 and QX9650 as I prefer quad-cores for crunching when I'm not benching, but the E8500 would be a great gaming and SuperPi/3D01 chip.

Spot on and great comparison my friend!

[The0men]

O thank you very much for the replies, I guess I will get the Q6600, I think I can still get it to clock ok even with the silly 680i, at least it's a watercooled NB.
Pity about the E8500 not being compatble. That would have been good.

[stasio]

Just order E8500,should come next week.I also think that 4 GHz will be no problem,will see soon.

[Brian MP5T]

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/pa...720_28_40.html

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Another way of looking at the choice between Q6600 and E8850:

In all games that are out today Q6600 will give you enought preformance to enjoy the gameplay to the fullest. On the other hand in most of the future games they claim to have an "optimised" support for Quad CPUs. In 2006 chairman of Remedy went as far as claiming that they got Alan Wake to the point where they can use one core just to calculate physics. I couldn't find any detailed info on what they mean by Quad core support in games besed on new Crytek/Unreal engines or even an "optimised" Valve engine but if they can use the extra two cores for physics and AI E8850 will plainly fail vs Q6600.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j6rR-Xv2Ro

Some here have said that you have to trust benchmarks but all benchies in toms review are based on pretty much outdated games, Q6600 doesn't lag that far off behind the E8850 in Supreme Commander and in the review on anandtech E8850 falls behind Q6600 in Cave and Equals in Snow tests.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=3038&p=1 5

I belive that it all comes down to your expectations. If you expect the gaming industry to find a way to REALLY USE Quads in the upcoming titles like UT3/Crysis/Wake and/or you work with apps benefiting from Quads - you hit Q6600. If you think that gamedevelopers are slow on the uptake you hit E8850 and live with fear that you might be wrong :heink: And overcloking pretty much comes down to the same. If you overclock E8850 to 5 Ghz and Q6600 to 4 but your game/aplication has the ability to use all 4 cores it will be a total 4 Ghz increase for E8850 vs 5.36 Ghz increase for Q6600


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Xela... you're working with a lot of "what ifs," and "supposed" facts.


And let's not forget... Tom's may be using some old games, but a LOT of people play a LOT of old games. Counter-Strike 1.6 still has a HUGE user base, and is the focal point of a large amount of e-sports activity.



EDIT: I haven't gotten to the conclusion of the article yet.. but I hope they tell me why the e6850 failed on some benchs...


EDIT EDIT:
Wow... I just checked out the anandtech article. Since most users are looking at CPU from a purchasing standpoint, the anandtech article BLOOOWS the THG one out of the water. THG should have just posted their CPU charts and left the articles to anandtech.
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Phrozt wrote :

Xela... you're working with a lot of "what ifs," and "supposed" facts.

And let's not forget... Tom's may be using some old games, but a LOT of people play a LOT of old games. Counter-Strike 1.6 still has a HUGE user base, and is the focal point of a large amount of e-sports activity.


EDIT: I haven't gotten to the conclusion of the article yet.. but I hope they tell me why the e6850 failed on some benchs...

EDIT EDIT:
Wow... I just checked out the anandtech article. Since most users are looking at CPU from a purchasing standpoint, the anandtech article BLOOOWS the THG one out of the water. THG should have just posted their CPU charts and left the articles to anandtech.



* I was addressing the question of Q6600 vs E8850

I do work with a lot of "what ifs" and "supposed" facts but lets review what we know to be true facts:

Compared to E8850:

- Q6600 has more proccesing power if all 4 cores are used.
- Q6600 does it's part much better in games already released in 2007 (Lost Planet, Supreme Commander)
- Q6600 cannot be overclocked to the hights of E8850 but as far as four core applications go the benefit of 4 slighty less overclocked cores will outway the benefit of 2 overclocked cores. ( I only belive the latter to be a fact because of simple math ( as E8550 oc @ 5 Ghz will give us 2 * 5 = 10 Ghz vs Q6600 @ 3.5 * 4 = 14 Ghz), but there might be factors I am not aware of)
- Many of the upcoming titles such as UT3 + all games running U3 engine, Crysis + all games running new Crytek engine, Alan Wake claim to be Quad core friendly but noone is willing to tell us to what extend... (those games are not years but month away)

and that brings us back to where I've started:

* The answer of choice (for gamers) between the Q6600 and E8550 lies in eather you bet on game manufactures ability to utilise all cores in near future or their failure to do so and to that we do not have an answer based on solid facts.

PS: It's cool that people still play CS 1.6 but will you be better off with 150 FPS with E8850 then with 135 FPS with Q6600? Same counts for most of todays games ---> Q6600 should deliver you a cool gaming experience in any modern game.

PS2: Another two facts:
- I have not yet seen one site that would give a satisfactory prediction or even a guess in how the future gaming will/won't be boosted by Quads. My guess is that they have no solid facts to work with and are afraid to give guess as thier reputation in on the line.
- with a lot of howevers, buts and ifs, Anandtech went for Q6600 in the end

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Spanki's link seems to indicate that the new G-0 stepped version of the Q6600 should be out for consumers to buy already (16 July 2007). I've pretty much decided on the Quad, but I wasn't sure if I'd be able to wait for the G-0 stepped version. Has anyone seen this version online yet? I would think that it will take some time for the vendors to sell off their current version of the Quad before they start selling the G-0 stepped version (logical?). I would think that any vendor that had the newer version would display that fact prominently...but I haven't seen one.

[Pandamonia]

WTF is an E8850?

i thought it was E8500?

[Don_Dan]

WTF is an E8850?

i thought it was E8500?

Yeah, I bet it's a typo...

[The0men]

Hmm, well I think I would get the E8500, except it most likely wont work on my board, I'm also not keen on updating BIOS to see if I can get it to work, because it took me ages to find a good BIOS in the first place.

The comparisons are excellent. Though I'm more worried about getting it to work with the 680i. Anyway, if I can get a G0 I dont think I will be dissapointed. So its a win-win (I hope)

Also getting some dominator 8500 as my OCZ have seen better days. Thank you alot for replies

[NoSoMo]

I'm dropping my Q6600 G0 and current board for a 780i and an E8500. 45nm w/ 2 cores vs 65nm and 4 cores. You'll get a much higher clock out of the e8500 w/ 2 cores than you'll ever see with the Q6600. Since 97% of what you'll do throughout the day will only utilize a single core, it really makes no sense to get 4. The dual core at 4.5Ghz will be about 30% faster than the quad with most of what you do.

[DFI pit bull]

I'm dropping my Q6600 G0 and current board for a 780i and an E8500. 45nm w/ 2 cores vs 65nm and 4 cores. You'll get a much higher clock out of the e8500 w/ 2 cores than you'll ever see with the Q6600. Since 97% of what you'll do throughout the day will only utilize a single core, it really makes no sense to get 4. The dual core at 4.5Ghz will be about 30% faster than the quad with most of what you do.

Just what I thourght, so i've already sold my Q6600 G0 and ordered an E8400 with the money (free upgrade)

[The0men]

I cant afford a 780i

However I know have my Q6600, and might sell my E6600, or maybe give it to my bro.

If I can hit 4ghz on liquid even without being 24/7 usable I will be happy, thats if my MOBO permits it.

[NoSoMo]

I cant afford a 780i

However I know have my Q6600, and might sell my E6600, or maybe give it to my bro.

If I can hit 4ghz on liquid even without being 24/7 usable I will be happy, thats if my MOBO permits it.

That's the one thing that I don't like about the E8x00 series. Running @ 1333FSB really limits what you can do unless your board is stable @ higher FSB freqs. I hope** the 780i runs better than the 680i. I'm sure it will. I'd love to see 2ghz stable! I hope I get a good 4.6 or so out of the e8500 w/ my Tuniq w/ 120 & 80mm I have on it.

[Kingcarcas]

Simple, gaming? E8500, crunching? Q6600.

[adamsleath]

Since 97% of what you'll do throughout the day will only utilize a single core, it really makes no sense to get 4. The dual core at 4.5Ghz will be about 30% faster than the quad with most of what you do.

can i put this in my sig??

[YukonTrooper]

These new 8*00 chips seem to be hitting 4Ghz consistently. I know where I'm putting my money.

[The0men]

Yer I wanted an E8500.. Sadly they cost more than the Q6600, which I wouldn't have minded to much, other than the fact that then I also need to replace my motherboard, and thats way out of the question at the moment.