TLB bug still present in B3 rev Phenoms

[LowRun]

This is yesterday news but as i saw it nowhere. This is in French and it says they got the story from the horse's mouth (AMD reps).

http://www.erenumerique.fr/ces_2008_...ews-11723.html

On savait déjà que les versions cadencées à 2.4 et 2.6 GHz des Phenom étaient repoussées au second trimestre. Nous avons pu confirmer hier que les 9650 et 9550, version « débugguées » des premiers Phenom (voir notre article) sont également repoussées au second trimestre. AMD a en effet reçu ses premières puces utilisant le stepping B3 (early silicon), le bug n’est toujours pas corrigé. Un nouveau « spin » est donc nécessaire, ce qui peut repousser les Phenom au mois de mai.

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AMD got its first chips using the B3 rev, the bug is not addressed still, a new spin is needed which could postponed Phenoms till May.

[naokaji]

OUCH... another blow... now they can just hope it aint true.

[FischOderAal]

the TLB-Bug doesn't seem to occur very often. so what's the problem for us if B3 clocks better than B2?

let's just hope it's not true, though

[STaRGaZeR]

AMD below 2$ anyone?

[Spectrobozo]

not good news from amd.... again...
let's hope that this b3 can get a lot more clock, but i doubt it

[mXpS]

I just heard the same thing from elsewhere and if really true, AMD is in deep trouble...

[freeloader]

IF the bug is still present, then AMD should just ditch the L3 and increase the L2 cache sizes in the next revision. If it's that easy of course.

[TEDY]

AMD is officially dead now, only low price might save them.

[savantu]

Well , this certainly makes you have a great deal of trust in their engineers.

The B3 stepping supposed to fix B2 suffers from the same problem.Did they bothered to do a proper debug or some are sabotaging the company ?I'm pretty sure most EE aren't happy in Austin.

Btw , you get the beauty of this : Tier 1 OEMs won't touch the chip until this bug is fixed.This will do wonders for AMD's MS and credibility among Tier 1 vendors and enterprise customers.

[terrace215]

Stick a fork in AMD, they're done.

B3 still having TLB bugs, and 45nm in 2009.

And yet their BOD still keeps Hector as CEO... incredible.

[metro.cl]

with this in mind what would NVIDIA need to buy AMD? i mean there shouldnt be VGA monopoly concerns right?

What does nvidia need to keep the x86 license going?

[naokaji]

with this in mind what would NVIDIA need to buy AMD? i mean there shouldnt be VGA monopoly concerns right?

What does nvidia need to keep the x86 license going?

amd can be had for pocket change now... if anyone was serious about buying them i think it would have happened by now.

[Periander6]

with this in mind what would NVIDIA need to buy AMD? i mean there shouldnt be VGA monopoly concerns right?

What does nvidia need to keep the x86 license going?

Why would they want to buy AMD? The CPU part is nothing but a hole to throw money into forever and obviously they would have to sell off the ATI part, and anyone that would buy ATI could only be a stronger and better funded company than AMD making Nvdia's life on the GPU front only more difficult.

Besides, if AMD dies and takes ATI with it then any attempt to move into the GPU business by Intel would be very likely seen as an attempt to leverage their CPU monopoly to generate another monopoly, something that would generate huge regulatory headaches. Nvidia would be better insulated from competition on the GPU front if AMD dies. Again, why would Nvidia want to buy AMD?

Anyway, AMD's x86 licence has a clause in it making it non-transferrable. There are some questions as to whether such clauses are enforceable or not, but at a minimum it would be a huge legal battle with an uncertain outcome. Once again, buying AMD makes no sense for Nvidia.

[metro.cl]

Why would they want to buy AMD? The CPU part is nothing but a hole to throw money into forever and obviously they would have to sell off the ATI part, and anyone that would buy ATI could only be a stronger and better funded company than AMD making Nvdia's life on the GPU front only more difficult.

Besides, if AMD dies and takes ATI with it then any attempt to move into the GPU business by Intel would be very likely seen as an attempt to leverage their CPU monopoly to generate another monopoly, something that would generate huge regulatory headaches. Nvidia would be better insulated from competition on the GPU front if AMD dies. Again, why would Nvidia want to buy AMD?

Anyway, AMD's x86 licence has a clause in it making it non-transferrable. There are some questions as to whether such clauses are enforceable or not, but at a minimum it would be a huge legal battle with an uncertain outcome. Once again, buying AMD makes no sense for Nvidia.

For the x86 license, it is the cheapest way to get one and also to elminate competition on th GPU front.

NVIDIA is still evaluating to get a CPU working so this might be the best chance they can get. AMD is freaking cheap now.

[mXpS]

amd can be had for pocket change now... if anyone was serious about buying them i think it would have happened by now.

Anyone want to throw some money together and buy AMD?

[savantu]

For the x86 license, it is the cheapest way to get one and also to elminate competition on th GPU front.

NVIDIA is still evaluating to get a CPU working so this might be the best chance they can get. AMD is freaking cheap now.

Who's gonna pay those debts ?

[Periander6]

For the x86 license, it is the cheapest way to get one and also to elminate competition on th GPU front.

No, the cheapest way to get an x86 licence by far would be to buy Via, not AMD. Remember that anyone that buys AMD has to take on their 5+ Billion in debt on top of buying up the stock.

There is no way in hell, zero, that Nvidia would receive anti-trust clearance to purchase ATI. To buy AMD they would have to sell off the ATI division to have any chance whatsoever for approval, and anyone other than AMD owning ATI would make ATI stronger.

The idea of Nvida buying AMD is a fantasy that won't happen, not before AMD goes into C11 at the very least.

[Shintai]

I dont know if people dont understand it yet. Or maybe do not wish to understand it. Its been said 1000s of times.

Let me bend it in neon this time. You will NOT, NEVER, EVER get an x86 license by buying VIA or AMD. It will be LOST and GONE. No nobody can change that.

So in short, buying VIA would give you...nothing. Buying AMD would give you a struggling GPU business.

The CPU parts of VIA and AMD would be trash and gone!

nVidia buying AMD would be like buying sand in Sahara. Pretty darn useless and dumb.

[Cooper]

I dont know if people dont understand it yet. Or maybe do not wish to understand it. Its been said 1000s of times.

Let me bend it in neon this time. You will NOT, NEVER, EVER get an x86 license by buying VIA or AMD. It will be LOST and GONE. No nobody can change that.

So in short, buying VIA would give you...nothing. Buying AMD would give you a struggling GPU business.

The CPU parts of VIA and AMD would be trash and gone!

nVidia buying AMD would be like buying sand in Sahara. Pretty darn useless and dumb.

You can buy AMD and keep the brand as "independent" company and have the license

[freeloader]

I dont know if people dont understand it yet. Or maybe do not wish to understand it. Its been said 1000s of times.

Let me bend it in neon this time. You will NOT, NEVER, EVER get an x86 license by buying VIA or AMD. It will be LOST and GONE. No nobody can change that.

So in short, buying VIA would give you...nothing. Buying AMD would give you a struggling GPU business.

The CPU parts of VIA and AMD would be trash and gone!

nVidia buying AMD would be like buying sand in Sahara. Pretty darn useless and dumb.

How many times do you need to be told that the U.S. government, not to mention the EU is going to allow Intel to have a monopoly on the X86 license? It's just not going to happen. They'll be forced to renew the agreement with a probable suitor or come to some type of financial agreement.

[R101]

We need AMD or Nehalem will cost 2k$ per CPU until late 2009..

[Swarm dude]

Really bad news for AMD, that's a shame...Looks like that bug is a really tough one to kill
Looks like the K8 will still remain quite much alive...at least until that error is fixed...

[duploxxx]

I dont know if people dont understand it yet. Or maybe do not wish to understand it. Its been said 1000s of times.

Let me bend it in neon this time. You will NOT, NEVER, EVER get an x86 license by buying VIA or AMD. It will be LOST and GONE. No nobody can change that.

So in short, buying VIA would give you...nothing. Buying AMD would give you a struggling GPU business.

The CPU parts of VIA and AMD would be trash and gone!

nVidia buying AMD would be like buying sand in Sahara. Pretty darn useless and dumb.

not so sure if you checked GPU lately but they are doing just fine....

670 is going well
635 is on track to reduce costs again
lots of mobile designs won for 2008, not like 2007 where all designs went to nvidia
and not the least: they are now the best price/performance you can buy at every segment in the workstation market wit the firegl series


for the rest still a rumor....lets see when they are there end of february

[Faktor]

We need AMD or Nehalem will cost 2k$ per CPU until late 2009..

Why do people keep saying crap like this?

[freeloader]

Why do people keep saying crap like this?

If AMD goes under, they can charge whatever they want for their CPUs. Not saying they'd charge 2K for a top of the line CPU, but $1500 wouldn't be out of the question. They charge $1000 now for top of the line as they have no immediate competition from AMD, can you imagine what they'd charge if there was no AMD, period?