Phenom Compatibility with pre-790fx boards, where does it stand?

[informal]

Kazgirl we need your feedback now !
Like Lightman and mAJORD asked:Spi,CPUz with memory tab and Wprime 1.55 please .
I hope we can solve the mystery of the beta bios.I hope your chip runs at 3Ghz,it would be amazing if phenoms can be bios unlocked.

[Aussie FX]

Kazgirl we need your feedback now !
Like Lightman and mAJORD asked:Spi,CPUz with memory tab and Wprime 1.55 please .
I hope we can solve the mystery of the beta bios.I hope your chip runs at 3Ghz,it would be amazing if phenoms can be bios unlocked.

I noticed my bios was showing upwards options but I never tried it, as I've seen it before and been able to select it, but then it won't apply.
I've gone back to my 6400 but seeing that makes me want to try again.

I remember seeing a few 14 series Opterons somehow unlocking themselves. A mate had a 148 that he could oc to 3.3 just on multis.

I also heard of 146 somehow unlocking itself on a flight from Sydney to Melbourne. Strange but true.

Bugger it, I'm going to put the 9500 back in and try it.
Back soon....

[informal]

Hehe,good luck man

[Aussie FX]

Hehe,good luck man

Alas, no luck

Here is a validation link.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=278589

I tried the 12 multi, I might go back and try a few more.

It gives the whole spread up to 25 in .5 increments like my old FX's used to, but I don't think this is unlocked.

I wish it was tho.

[LIKMARK]

@Kazgirl: Believe bios is showing bs, and everest is showing the right values, ie htt speed of 274. If you set "cpu speed" (htt ref) in bios to auto, I'm sure its just you wanting/hoping for it to unlock itself

[Aussie FX]

Believe bios is showing bs, and everest is showing the right values, ie htt speed of 274. If you set "cpu speed" (htt ref) in bios to auto, I'm sure its just you wanting/hoping for it to unlock itself

Yeah I've seen Asus bios' do this before.

[informal]

Makes me think about wth Asus did to that poor m2n32 deluxe bios .They somehow managed to OC it to 3Ghz in kazgirl's case,we just need her to confirm this by running 3 tests

[LIKMARK]

Yeah I've seen Asus bios' do this before.

According to my Crosshair's bios my 6000+ has done over 7500MHz lots of times..

Makes me think about wth Asus did to that poor m2n32 deluxe bios .They somehow managed to OC it to 3Ghz in kazgirl's case,we just need her to confirm this by running 3 tests

They abused it baad.. It don't know its ups or downs anymore

[informal]

1st recorded case of Phenom abused bios

[Aussie FX]

My POST screen is reporting 200x14 but cpuz says says 200x11.

My old copy of Everest doesn't recognise this cpu. Anyone know where to get the latest one from? I googled it but it seems you have to buy it now

[aGeoM]

Hi

U can grab it here

[Aussie FX]

Hi

U can grab it here

Thanks very much aGeoM

Here is a screenshot of my windows experience. It too shows 2800. Sorry kazgirl.
http://img476.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nom2800aq6.jpg

And here is a screenie showing Everest, it's doing the same thing.
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?i...est2800wz7.jpg


I'm getting some strange results with Everest such as photoworxx giving me 29429, but superpi is showing 35 seconds.
I'm sure Everest is wrong and cpuz is correct.

[aGeoM]

Welcome Aussie.

I'm also waiting for my 9500 to test in M2N32-SLI, and see if happens the same as kazgirl's test.

I will post here the results as soon as I get it.

Cheers.

[Aussie FX]

Since I stuck the Phenom back into this mobo I thought I might have a little play.
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nom2420mp8.jpg

2.4ghz and still going...fingers crossed. I'm still on stock volts too.

I got to 2475mhz @225 HTT on stock volts.
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nom2475uw3.jpg

Then I started getting bsods, so I loosened ram timings from 4-4-3-12 to 5-5-5-15 and still no luck
The bsods started at 235HTT and now I'm getting them again at 225. Only stock speed is stable now, so I'm not sure what's going on.
This board/bios is very strange with Phenom right now. Even raising the voltage doesn't help.

It's late here now so I will try again in the morning.

[kazgirl]

HI guys,

Apoloies for the delay in replying, but I've been quite perplexed by this for a while....

After a bit more digging it seems its a BIOS problem, I posted the same details over at the AMD forums, and also did a bit more trying things, and theres even an example of a 5GHZ CPU speed where another user tried the same thing, using a x25 multi....

So all my dreams were shattered...!!! :sob:

I also came across a post where someone has used ntune to change the HT Multiplier which was another problem, and I tried this after re-setting the BIOS back to defaults.

It did seem to change my HT link to 1000MHz, but then another problem cropped up, random BSOD's "Clock interrupt request not received from secondary processor in allocated interval"

This was with a ntune OC to 210 x 11 = 2310MHz and 1050MHz HT Link

The BSOD initially happened after the 2nd CPU test in 3dmark06 had completed, but is now happening even when Vista idling with nothing running...

And another user has tried the same workaround and has the same BSOD problem.

So it seems as though its still a case of waiting for a better BIOS from ASUS... so I'm giving up on it for now and following Aussie's example and putting my 6400+ back in until either ASUS give a working BIOS, or I get a new mobo, whichever happens sooner.......

[Aussie FX]

HI guys,

Apoloies for the delay in replying, but I've been quite perplexed by this for a while....

After a bit more digging it seems its a BIOS problem, I posted the same details over at the AMD forums, and also did a bit more trying things, and theres even an example of a 5GHZ CPU speed where another user tried the same thing, using a x25 multi....

So all my dreams were shattered...!!! :sob:

I also came across a post where someone has used ntune to change the HT Multiplier which was another problem, and I tried this after re-setting the BIOS back to defaults.

It did seem to change my HT link to 1000MHz, but then another problem cropped up, random BSOD's "Clock interrupt request not received from secondary processor in allocated interval"

This was with a ntune OC to 210 x 11 = 2310MHz and 1050MHz HT Link

The BSOD initially happened after the 2nd CPU test in 3dmark06 had completed, but is now happening even when Vista idling with nothing running...

And another user has tried the same workaround and has the same BSOD problem.

So it seems as though its still a case of waiting for a better BIOS from ASUS... so I'm giving up on it for now and following Aussie's example and putting my 6400+ back in until either ASUS give a working BIOS, or I get a new mobo, whichever happens sooner.......

Hi kazgirl, if you follow my overclocking attempts last night, when I got to 235HTT I started getting that same BSOD. I was lowering the HTT incrementally but still kept getting it, even after previously successful overclocks. In the end I had to revert to stock speeds to get it to boot.
I'm trying to find out what it is. It can't be a high NB speed that's for sure
Also I discounted ram as I loosened timings and dropped to the 6400 divider, and I'm using 1066 so that shouldn't have been an issue in the first place.

I had real trouble with my mobo and Phenom when I first installed it, that's why I went back to the 6400. I put the Phenom in last night when I saw your post, just to try to confirm what you were seeing. For some reason my chip now is running ok albeit at stock speeds, so I'm going to soldier on with it for a while and hope in the meantime Asus release a new bios, or Gigabyte get me that new board.

[kazgirl]

Hi Aussie,

thanks for posting your results, it helps to know that the BSOD problem is a common problem, with mine I only got as high as 215 HTT, before it started happening, someone else has had it happen after installing FEAR, so I'm wondering if its a problem with processor synchronization, you know they had the dual core optimizer for the X2's to set the RTC, just wonder if maybe they need something similar for the X4's now as well.... seems that the BSOD message is pointing to a synchronization problem with a core, but could it be CPU Cores, NB Core, or GPU core, maybe this is where the whole NB>CPU thing is an issue.

Anyway, back to the 6400+ for me for a while.....at least then I can use my PC for something more than a pretty typewwriter.....

[Nedjo]

it seems to me that the "drop-in" feature of AM2/AM2+/AM3 is just BS

except for a few boards

Its' only about manufacturers support. Support code for Phenom is around 30KB, but some manufacturers filled their 4 MB BIOS chips full, and don't want to optimize... On the other hand all 8MB BIOS based mobos will work flawlessly... ofcourse, some manufacturers will manage to squeeze Phenom support in to a 4MB chip

[Shaz]

Anyone know if the Abit KN9 will give me any luck with Phenom, obviously pending a BIOS upgrade.

[Aussie FX]

Hi Aussie,

thanks for posting your results, it helps to know that the BSOD problem is a common problem, with mine I only got as high as 215 HTT, before it started happening, someone else has had it happen after installing FEAR, so I'm wondering if its a problem with processor synchronization, you know they had the dual core optimizer for the X2's to set the RTC, just wonder if maybe they need something similar for the X4's now as well.... seems that the BSOD message is pointing to a synchronization problem with a core, but could it be CPU Cores, NB Core, or GPU core, maybe this is where the whole NB>CPU thing is an issue.

Anyway, back to the 6400+ for me for a while.....at least then I can use my PC for something more than a pretty typewwriter.....

I think it's still a bios issue, it's strange that you can only get rid of it after a reset to stock condition.
I know what you mean about the 6400, but this time round my Phenom is ok as long as I don't clock it past 230HTT. There is a wall there for me.
I just want my Gigabyte board back, the new bioses seem to be helping a lot with the 790's now.
Asus, as usual will take forever to release anything new for AM2

Are you going to try a 790?

[Marioace]

anyone has the ASUS M3A32-MVP with Phenom?

cant set stable parameters on this board :S

[aGeoM]

Hi

I got the Phenom and as promised had done some testing:

System used:

PSU: LC-POWER SCORPIO 480W
MOB: ASUS M2N32-SLI DLX Bios 1503
CPU: AMD Phenom 9500
RAM: 2Gb GSKILL F2-6400CL4D-HK
GPU: Geforce 8600GT SLI
HDD: SAMSUNG SP0411N (40 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)

System default:



System @ CPU Multi 11 - FSB 240



System @ CPU Multi 13 - FSB 200



System @ CPU Multi 13 - FSB 240



System @ CPU Multi 13 - FSB 240 - HTT 5 set in ntune



Based in this I can confirm that setting CPU multi in bios dont make any difference in performance, the only advantage is for show off an Phenom @ 3xxx Mhz

to kazgirl:

- EPP memory option can be set in bios, Gskill modules was recognized and set @ High performance.
- HTT 5 in ntune also make BSODs in my system, I couldn't end any 3D benchmark.


I notice another bug in this bios, not only the HTT multi is not working but HTT link speed is set @ 8-8 and not @ 16 -16, can be see it in AOD 2.0.0.9.



There is no 3D benchies because the bios bug scores to low.
Unless ASUS bios team work in a good bios for Phemon or some of the Bios Masters here in XS can help us, we SLI users are in deep trouble using Phenom CPUs.

All the best and be well.

[Aussie FX]

aGeoM, what version of overdrive are you using?

I have got 2.10 and it will only work on a 790 chipset based motherboard.

You have a good overclock there for an AM2, i get bsods at 230HTT. It's not the chip either as it's still on stock volts @2.5+ghz.

Also I can't use ntune on this board, it simply won't work, it doesn't lockup at all just when you hit apply it does nothing.

ps I just noticed you have 2.0.0.9 version of AOD.

EDIT: Can you put up a link for your version of AOD?
I just searched for it and found lots of 2.10 but no 2.0.0.9. Thanks

[Inteleron]

Are any AM2 Biostar boards working with phenom?

[aGeoM]

...ps I just noticed you have 2.0.0.9 version of AOD.

EDIT: Can you put up a link for your version of AOD?
I just searched for it and found lots of 2.10 but no 2.0.0.9. Thanks

Here it is, 2.0.9 not 2.0.0.9 (misspelled in previous post)