retail QX9650 first run -> 4400mhz on Intel cooler box

[Loque]

those temps look way to high for that cooler, maybe board is miss reading them ?

[rbuass]

Nunca imaginei que um quad chegasse a 4400 com box.....
Congratulations....

[oscar3d]

Ok my panic is over... my temps are just fine. I'm reviewing the pics from pcCI2Minimal.

So... Let's add this factors...


My settings:

10x400 @ 1.4V.

On Idle I'm sitting around 36C perfect.

On Load: I'm getting 75C tops while stressing 4 cores Prime 95

That's 25C to Tjunction remaining.

This is kind of what it was achieved by pcCI2Minimal @ 4100, but with extra factors to consider.

-Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Lapped Mirror finish.
-Arctic Silver 5 paste.
-Most important Case doors of my P182 enclosure closed.
-120mm CPU and exhaust fan undervolted @ 1024RPM, I'm not running my fans full speed, I like silence.
-And on top of that to make things worse, I have a 8800Ultra Overclocked inside that case. ( a freaking furnace), in my experience from switching my former GPU to this one it adds 5-7C more to the CPU temp.
-And finally Ambient temp of 75F = 23C



The run on air that pcCI2Minimal , if I'm not wrong and for the pictures I see it was done with the motherboard outside the case in the air and the stock cooler.

I've rechecked and re-installed my TRUE 120 and AS5 paste again. (Also note I have the coin/washer mod made on this cooler). There could be absolutely nothing wrong.

So now you have it, for the ones interested that's the test inside a case with a Thermalright 120 Extreme.

Thanks pcCI2Minimal for providing me with the settings I neded, a word or a suggestion is really appreciated. I really hope I'm not wrong.

[S1mon-]

Ok my panic is over... my temps are just fine. I'm reviewing the pics from pcCI2Minimal.

So... Let's add this factors...


My settings:

10x400 @ 1.4V.

On Idle I'm sitting around 36C perfect.

On Load: I'm getting 75C tops while stressing 4 cores Prime 95

That's 25C to Tjunction remaining.

This is kind of what it was achieved by pcCI2Minimal @ 4100, but with extra factors to consider.

-Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Lapped Mirror finish.
-Arctic Silver 5 paste.
-Case doors of my P182 enclosure closed.
-120mm CPU and exhaust fan undervolted @ 1024RPM, I'm not running my fans full speed, I like silence.
-Ambient temp of 75F = 23C


The run on air that pcCI2Minimal , if I'm not wrong and for the pictures I see it was done with the motherboard outside the case in the air and the stock cooler.

I've rechecked and re-installed my TRUE 120 and AS5 paste again. (Also note I have the coin/washer mod made on this cooler). There could be absolutely nothing wrong.

So now you have it, for the ones interested that's the test inside a case with a Thermalright 120 Extreme.

Thanks pcCI2Minimal for providing me with the settings I neded, a word or a suggestion is really appreciated. I really hope I'm not wrong.

Glad everything works fine for you I think it's time for you to change your sig

[oscar3d]

I just did.Thanks for the reminder! :-)

[PcCI2iminal]

Ok my panic is over... my temps are just fine. I'm reviewing the pics from pcCI2Minimal.

So... Let's add this factors...


My settings:

10x400 @ 1.4V.

On Idle I'm sitting around 36C perfect.

On Load: I'm getting 75C tops while stressing 4 cores Prime 95

That's 25C to Tjunction remaining.

This is kind of what it was achieved by pcCI2Minimal @ 4100, but with extra factors to consider.

-Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Lapped Mirror finish.
-Arctic Silver 5 paste.
-Most important Case doors of my P182 enclosure closed.
-120mm CPU and exhaust fan undervolted @ 1024RPM, I'm not running my fans full speed, I like silence.
-And on top of that to make things worse, I have a 8800Ultra Overclocked inside that case. ( a freaking furnace), in my experience from switching my former GPU to this one it adds 5-7C more to the CPU temp.
-And finally Ambient temp of 75F = 23C

Well my friend I know what is wrong with your temps,the fan speed is to low ,why not a try on full speed?

The run on air that pcCI2Minimal , if I'm not wrong and for the pictures I see it was done with the motherboard outside the case in the air and the stock cooler.

yep ,outside the case and Intel cooler box @ full speed

Thanks pcCI2Minimal for providing me with the settings I neded, a word or a suggestion is really appreciated. I really hope I'm not wrong.

You are doing a great job , the Ultra 120 X is amazing but he needs a help ,give him a better fan

[PcCI2iminal]

Thank you very much! But is that as high as it goes with 1.48v ?

Sigh, I guess we have to be content with 4.2G, thats not bad after all. I love those temps, but more voltage would not be healthy for this cpu. Maybe try 1.5v and see how high you can go. I would never run more than that.

I can push a bit more on air (4250mhz-4300mhz ,1.5v - 1.55v maybe).
well I am a little crazy but not a killer and 1.45v will be the top voltage for air(24/7)

Very nice results criminal

Is this going to be your new 24/7 setup or are you just doing this for a review/testing?

Its only a small review
well, I can not handle these clocks @ 24/7 ,not on air and I hate water so I expect 4.0ghz - 4.1ghz on a good and quiet air.

whats ur best with stock voltage?

i haven`t tried ,3600mhz-3700mhz maybe

Nunca imaginei que um quad chegasse a 4400 com box.....
Congratulations....

[Chri$ch]

Hi PcCI2iminal,

nice results

-> ygpm

[PcCI2iminal]

wow almost 4.8 on air with 4 cores. I know Vcore is high but this is much more then i expected these cpu's to do on air. The fact that it can handle this voltage and only be 40C on AIR is impressive.
Good job PC . Cant wait to get a 8500. DC should clock even higher.

its not 4 cores ,its only 1 hehehehe


nachthymnen

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[nachthymnen]

nachthymnen

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Wowwww
I'm going crazy, I'll must wait onother week for mine
Can't resist, in particular when I see screen like yours
9.6SPI @ air it's fantastic

[Dynasty]

very nice week 39 you have there, I remember when it took dry ice
with qx6700 to reach 4500mhz+, now we can do it with air.....

btw, we should really get passed the tale that ES are always the best, its not true. Right now some of the best Fsb cpus for qx6850 G0 are retail
later batches and not ES....

L739Axxx are very good overclockers.

Its all luck of the cpu you get and
skill of the overclocker to get that cpu going.....
why do you think guys test 10 cpus for ?
so when review/bench with the best one out of the 10.
Its not as easy as it sounds going through so many cpus to find the magic one,
whether ES or retail.....you still have to test many for it to be actually be cherry picked....
not all ES are cherries......

[Zeus]

Now where are all those whining n00bs that kept saying retail chips would nere ever be as good as retails?

Fantastic job on air,man you have some bawlls to give it 1.7V+ on aircooling, i've never even done that with my 65nm Conroe on water but as long as your temps are fine, why not?

If you get bored with that chip soon i'll be glad to take it of your hands.

Keep pushing.

[CrashOv3r1De]

Oscar your results arent too bad, just because Criminal had certain results does not mean you should expect the same thing. Read the other 9650 thread a guy has his @ 4.2Ghz prime stable but its with watercooling

[oscar3d]

Well my friend I know what is wrong with your temps,the fan speed is to low ,why not a try on full speed?





yep ,outside the case and Intel cooler box @ full speed



You are doing a great job , the Ultra 120 X is amazing but he needs a help ,give him a better fan

Thanks for rplying man! The stock cooler has a 90mm fan right? How much RPM@ full speed?

BTW my Yorkfield is OEM, I've got it from Tigerdirect. Do you know how to check the week of it?

Also this chips are blessed. I've tried it at stock speeds but with a VCORE of 1.25. They are f...ing COLD 25C Idle 46C on Load. :-) I've just found out this one sits nicely at those voltages.

I've tried running your settings (10x400) but with 1.385V. It won't load windows

What about 11x367 @ 1.4.?
Does more multiplier give less performance, sorry for my noob question?

[oscar3d]

Oscar your results arent too bad, just because Criminal had certain results does not mean you should expect the same thing. Read the other 9650 thread a guy has his @ 4.2Ghz prime stable but its with watercooling

Thanks for the kind words. Well I guess considering the factors I've listed and the uber skills of the overclocker. I agree I cannot get same results. But I'll sit happy with them, at least until next SUMMER

[oscar3d]

And? Any answer to my questions pcCI2Minimal?

[Ace-a-Rue]

Thanks for rplying man! The stock cooler has a 90mm fan right? How much RPM@ full speed?

BTW my Yorkfield is OEM, I've got it from Tigerdirect. Do you know how to check the week of it?

Also this chips are blessed. I've tried it at stock speeds but with a VCORE of 1.25. They are f...ing COLD 25C Idle 46C on Load. :-) I've just found out this one sits nicely at those voltages.

I've tried running your settings (10x400) but with 1.385V. It won't load windows

What about 11x367 @ 1.4.?
Does more multiplier give less performance, sorry for my noob question?

he will probably not answer since he is a very busy xtreme overclocker visiting many forums to post his findings....you, sir, are on your own!...just read in many forums to find out what's going on with this chip.

remember, boards are different even from the same mobo maker...hardware affects ouput results...he just about uses extreme for everything including extreme output fans to cool "ALL" aspects of the board, except for his opening page of this thread...i've seen a film clip on youtube showing him using a SAN ACE screaming fan mounted on the older Intel model cooler; for most of us, the San Ace would be unacceptable because of the produced noise.

SEVERAL OF PcCI2iminal YOUTUBE VIDEOS POSTED UP MONTHS AGO:

noobs overcloking guide by PcCI2iminal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZNBKAeSYOg


air cooled Q6700 4ghz San Ace F12-HHH really loud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iBsk8e7Iq8&feature=user


air cooled Q6700 4ghz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVs5zBqTTKY&feature=user

[PcCI2iminal]

Thanks for rplying man! The stock cooler has a 90mm fan right? How much RPM@ full speed?

nah ,its 100mm and I don`t know how much RPM but is noisy ,2000RPM+ for sure

BTW my Yorkfield is OEM, I've got it from Tigerdirect. Do you know how to check the week of it?

the week is printed on IHS ,the last line ,mine is L739A643 -> week 39

I've tried running your settings (10x400) but with 1.385V. It won't load windows

What about 11x367 @ 1.4.?

its hard to say ,you need to check it by yourself but i think 1.385v is to low for 4ghz

[PcCI2iminal]

remember, boards are different even from the same mobo maker...hardware affects ouput results...he just about uses extreme for everything including extreme output fans to cool "ALL" aspects of the board, except for his opening page of this thread...i've seen a film clip on youtube showing him using a SAN ACE screaming fan mounted on the older Intel model cooler; for most of us, the San Ace would be unacceptable because of the produced noise.

nice words my friend and in a few days i will place a SanAce on the top of new Intel cooler hehehe

[xgman]

It may just be the oem 9650 that I got, but it doesn't appear to me that there is a huge difference between good air and single phase in terms of stable overclocking of these. I still haven't found the exact top end of mine here, but it seems like it is somewhere in the 4800mhz area. And that needs 1.55 volts. (this is on a p5k dlx and ddr2 setup) That's not much higher than some of these air results. Actually this was somewhat similar in the QX6850 to some extent from my experience. I would have expected alot more, but I guess when your overclock a cpu from 3 ghz to 4.4 on air, that's already close to the limit of the cpu short of liq nitrogen, or multi stage phase cooling. Not that there is anything to complain about 4800, but with those super high air results, it seems like there would be more headroom. Again, maybe it's just my part. I did have it posting in windows at 49xx on a P5E3 board with 4GB ddr3 before the MB went belly up, but the phase evap head mount wasn't making full contact and it wasn't stable.

I also wanted to mention that high fsb on this 45nm one seems much harder to achive than on my QX6850. I see another user reporting the same here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=166087
Maybe the extra cache or something. Not sure why.

[Ace-a-Rue]

nice words my friend and in a few days i will place a SanAce on the top of new Intel cooler hehehe

can't wait to see how that comes out....do you wear jet engine noise suppressors like the guys who park commercial and military jets.

[Ace-a-Rue]

It may just be the oem 9650 that I got, but it doesn't appear to me that there is a huge difference between good air and single phase in terms of stable overclocking of these. I still haven't found the exact top end of mine here, but it seems like it is somewhere in the 4800mhz area. And that needs 1.55 volts. (this is on a p5k dlx and ddr2 setup) That's not much higher than some of these air results. Actually this was somewhat similar in the QX6850 to some extent from my experience. I would have expected alot more, but I guess when your overclock a cpu from 3 ghz to 4.4 on air, that's already close to the limit of the cpu short of liq nitrogen, or multi stage phase cooling. Not that there is anything to complain about 4800, but with those super high air results, it seems like there would be more headroom. Again, maybe it's just my part. I did have it posting in windows at 49xx on a P5E3 board with 4GB ddr3 before the MB went belly up, but the phase evap head mount wasn't making full contact and it wasn't stable.

you are just about scaling as would be expected...you had about 4400+ with your QX6850 and most people were getting around 3.9-4Ghz on air...so...about 400-500 Mhz increase if you use phase sounds about right...maybe a bios tweak by asus will get you a little bit more.

[oscar3d]

FYI I've found another thread with a guy having similar results with the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.p...t=16&subpage=1

Apparently it is possible to get 4Ghz on this thing on air with VCORES lower than 1.4.

Also I did notice that it is possible to run this chip at stock 3.00Ghz STABLE with only 0.992VCORE.

[eva2000]

PcCI2iminal - looks like got a similar batch number as yours just off by one

Arrived today (weird USPS EMS delivered to me on a Saturday! )

[Ace-a-Rue]

EVA: could be the king or not the king.