Official Phenom Reviews Thread

[informal]

Where is informal,DoubleZero and the rest of the gang to tell us how we should wait for B3 and then see the light and "dance in the aisles" ?
Or even better , we should wait for Shanghai , the 45nm K10 , maybe that one will close the IPC gap with Kentsfield!
2 years later , but hey , it's a True Quad Core !!

Actually,i was right saying K10 is buggy .From the recent (now official) news we know it is the L3/NB that has speed path problems-hence the delay for >2.3Ghz versions.
Also,AMD originally planed to run IMC and cores at the same clocks,but we know now they had to settle down with rather large clock deficit wrt NB clocks.

And,actually it's quite funny to see you intel fanboys/marketeers here gloating over 2 low clocked Phenoms and their performance .Quite a few Prescott-like/clueless comments made me laugh hard .

Savantu,you are quite a knowledgeable guy,such a shame you are so heavily intel biased that it overshadows that quality of yours

[savantu]

Actually,i was right saying K10 is buggy .From the recent (now official) news we know it is the L3/NB that has speed path problems-hence the delay for >2.3Ghz versions.
Also,AMD originally planed to run IMC and cores at the same clocks,but we know now they had to settle down with rather large clock deficit wrt NB clocks.

And,actually it's quite funny to see you intel fanboys/marketeers here gloating over 2 low clocked Phenoms and their performance .Quite a few Prescott-like/clueless comments made me laugh hard .

Savantu,you are quite a knowledgeable guy,such a shame you are so heavily intel biased that it overshadows that quality of yours

Of yes , you've seen K10s true problems months ago.Too bad you failed to pass them to us...IMO , it's not the IMC , nor the NB.The process is to blame along with the slow L3.Probably other trade offs are involved , we'll see those when they test latencies/through output for various instructions.

Haven't they invented a pill for the Fanboy Denial Syndrome yet ?

As for your last comment , it equally applies to you.Leave apart the fanboyism and look at the real situation.

[Flambo]

Wow ... these "benchmarks" are truly awful for AMD ... what happen to all the claims about 10 - 20 % higher IPC, 40% higher FP performance, dancing in the aisles, etc. This actually looks worse then the 2900XT launch. I had hoped for at least parity in IPC but we have 10-15% less IPC and can't even ramp beyond 2.3 right now. For the foreseeable future I will have to (continue to) recommend Intel to anyone who want to build or upgrade. As soon as the slower Intel 45nm quad parts (2008 Q1?) are out the slaughter will become a total massacre. This may serious injure AMD to point of never being competitive again. Perhaps not even in the budget range as that would just bleed them dry until they are dead. I feel like AMD has not being honest with the public for the past year and it doesn't feel good. I had uneasy feeling ever since they were so tight lipped about the K10 performance when Intel openly invited people to check out their systems. Too bad, continued competition would have been good for the consumers. Perhaps AMD can scratch out a living making budget graphics card and specialized embedded processors. Wait, Intel can't let them die; they'll really be accused of being a monopoly. Maybe they'll be like Bill Gate when he gave Apple a lifeline. Or they'll just enjoy cutting the heart out of AMD and fend off the feds with all the profits they'll make (buy lawyers.) AMD had their chance and blew it. What have they been doing for the last 3 years? Firing Hector will be like shooting the pilot of the plane after it has already crashed and killed everyone onboard.