Quote Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650 View Post
i am sick and tired of this whole wait for the 20th and then AMD is going to bring out something that is going to crush intel and be way better, blah blah blah.

WE HAVE K10 NUMBERS!!!!! IT'S CALLED BARCELONA AND IT"S BEEN OUT FOR MORE THAN 1 MONTH AND IT IS SLOWER CLOCK PER CLOCK TO INTEL!!!!!!!

have you people not seen? Phenom and Barcelona are the EXACT same and guess what Barcelona is slower than Core 2 Quad. so how is it that you people are saying Phenom is faster than Core 2 Quad?????? It's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!! get out of your dream AMD world and face facts K10 is the new R600.

i have not seen any benches that show K10 faster than Core 2 Quad in the real world and yet many that show that Core 2 Quad is faster than K10 in the real world.

and this is a CPU bound test. it may not be the best but look at the difference in numbers. the Intels are very close to each other (which was expected) and phenom is a good lot slower than the Intels. exact same bench exact same detail and resolution settings. AMD is SLOWER what more do you need?

and this is a reputable site. it brought us the first 8800gt numbers and guess what they were right on. and now they are just confirming what we know already k10 slower than core 2 quad.
First of all, Phenom != Barcelona. Other one is ran with server hardware, other one is not. It makes a difference, doesn't it?

While I agree with you, I'd like to point out that all these tests are ran with BA/B1 revisions. B2 should be better. AMD has never been better or faster than Intel, especially not in SuperPI alike (has there ever been ANY 1M world record made with AMD CPU?), which people like to use as a "speed-o-meter".

Remember how the first K8's were? SLOW, at least when compared what they were with S939, so there was quite an improvement there, and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to make it again. At this point I have to say that I have no clue what kind of improvement has Intel made since C2D launch, so even if AMD can improve, is the improvement enough to fight Intel?

AMD can always TRY to fight with price, but it won't be so good for them, bad yeilds and cheap prices, need to say more? Though, if I understood correctly, AMD makes the chips always a full X4, and then if the yeild was good, it will be sold as X4, if one core is danaged, it will be sold as X3, if half the die is damaged (2 cores) it will be sold as X2 and so on.

Also as I said in other thread, AMD is pretty much screwed, it can't really sell alot since Intel just pays resellers not to sell AMD, which it did for a great time. All hail corruption.