i am sick and tired of this whole wait for the 20th and then AMD is going to bring out something that is going to crush intel and be way better, blah blah blah.

WE HAVE K10 NUMBERS!!!!! IT'S CALLED BARCELONA AND IT"S BEEN OUT FOR MORE THAN 1 MONTH AND IT IS SLOWER CLOCK PER CLOCK TO INTEL!!!!!!!

have you people not seen? Phenom and Barcelona are the EXACT same and guess what Barcelona is slower than Core 2 Quad. so how is it that you people are saying Phenom is faster than Core 2 Quad?????? It's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!! get out of your dream AMD world and face facts K10 is the new R600.

i have not seen any benches that show K10 faster than Core 2 Quad in the real world and yet many that show that Core 2 Quad is faster than K10 in the real world.

and this is a CPU bound test. it may not be the best but look at the difference in numbers. the Intels are very close to each other (which was expected) and phenom is a good lot slower than the Intels. exact same bench exact same detail and resolution settings. AMD is SLOWER what more do you need?

and this is a reputable site. it brought us the first 8800gt numbers and guess what they were right on. and now they are just confirming what we know already k10 slower than core 2 quad.