Intel's 45nm Prices & Performance

[Leeghoofd]

Sure! That is until the 1300 pin series ships with an IMC. Then Sc-775 will only support the celeron versions of the Nehalem.

You cannot expect socket 775 to live 4ever can you...

[OBR]

This asus table is LIE! Only P35 and X38 boards support 45nm ... my Striker Extreme dont support it ... board says Unknown CPU, for unleashing CPU power upgrade bios ... but new bios does not exists

[Cooper]

This asus table is LIE! Only P35 and X38 boards support 45nm ... my Striker Extreme dont support it ... board says Unknown CPU, for unleashing CPU power upgrade bios ... but new bios does not exists

I think that means you've done something wrong. 45nm support is all over Asus website.

[Leeghoofd]

OBR plz read what is mentioned in that table !! Where's the LIE ?

It says that the 680i boards need a bios update to let the Penryns function, are the penryns officially realeased ? Nope, I though it was 12th of November the official release date, so Asus MUST only have a bios ready for the masses then, I think they are working hard in the lab to get it done...

You just have to wait mate till it pops up on the FTP... if there was a bios For the big P it would have mentioned eg 1402 bios or later

[Donnie27]

You cannot expect socket 775 to live 4ever can you...

Oh, I never expected any chipset or Socket to last forever. What made you think that? With Nehalem being what it will be, I welcome 1366. I'm NOT so happy about Sc-771. Hell, even with Dummy Pins there's NO WAY in Hell Penryn and X-35, 38, 45 and 48 should be rendered Obsolete. Just when Intel announced and shipped i965, it should have been 1333MHz FSB compat without overclocking right from the start.

Some of this is good and obvious, some just isn't IMHO! It's a damned shame my Chipset runs 10 to 12C hotter than my CPU. I can't wait to replace it. That's the only complaint I ever had with my system.

[Zytek_Fan]

Oh, I never expected any chipset or Socket to last forever. What made you think that? With Nehalem being what it will be, I welcome 1366. I'm NOT so happy about Sc-771. Hell, even with Dummy Pins there's NO WAY in Hell Penryn and X-35, 38, 45 and 48 should be rendered Obsolete. Just when Intel announced and shipped i965, it should have been 1333MHz FSB compat without overclocking right from the start.

Some of this is good and obvious, some just isn't IMHO! It's a damned shame my Chipset runs 10 to 12C hotter than my CPU. I can't wait to replace it. That's the only complaint I ever had with my system.

Like you said advancement is great, but a lot of people get left out in the cold

[Donnie27]

Like you said advancement is great, but a lot of people get left out in the cold

Yes, see? There is plenty of room to Pat these companies on the back when they do good but also verbally slap them up-side the head when they don't. Only crazy folks think their favorite company is good all the time, never wrong and actually cares about them LOL! Slow or long cycle upgraders always get left out. Having a computer 3 years is like having a car for 10 years IMHO!

[Zytek_Fan]

Yes, see? There is plenty of room to Pat these companies on the back when they do good but also verbally slap them up-side the head when they don't. Only crazy folks think their favorite company is good all the time, never wrong and actually cares about them LOL! Slow or long cycle upgraders always get left out. Having a computer 3 years is like having a car for 10 years IMHO!

Yep. Unfortunately. It would have been more convenient if Intel went to IMC with Conroe, then upgrading to Nehalem wouldn't require everyone to buy new mobos. Whoever buys SkullTrail (I like it ) will be definitely pissed when Nehalem comes. (which is why I wouldn't consider SkullTrail).

Nehalem better be a substantial change from Penryn to warrant A LOT of people buying new mobos.

[camouflage]

What about the E8500 9,5 multi - requires new BIOS on 45nm "ready" board, eh ?

[Pacha]

I guess asus didn't put so much "support 45nm CPU" on motherboards boxes for nothing heh

pleased to see I won't have to buy a new mobo for penryn

[Donnie27]

I guess asus didn't put so much "support 45nm CPU" on motherboards boxes for nothing heh

pleased to see I won't have to buy a new mobo for penryn

But you have to overclock and already Nuke Hot chipset to run Penryn. I would have both a P 35 or 38 if the chipset were any cooler. Doesn't matter what will ship with Penyrn. It is kind of funny that folks cheered when 939 was move to AM2 will little or few improvements to speak of. At least in each case for Intel there is more perforrmance to be had.

[Pacha]

I'll maybe chose a 8400 with coeff 9, which can possibly make 4.5G at 500 FSB (let's dream a little), it won't be a big deal with my P965 board, moreover the chipset isn't that hot at 1.35V at the moment and I'm not afraid to burn it anymore (well ok @ 1.45V I already burnt the previous one but... asus rock solid experience rules )

[Donnie27]

I'll maybe chose a 8400 with coeff 9, which can possibly make 4.5G at 500 FSB (let's dream a little), it won't be a big deal with my P965 board, moreover the chipset isn't that hot at 1.35V at the moment and I'm not afraid to burn it anymore (well ok @ 1.45V I already burnt the previous one but... asus rock solid experience rules )

But even at 1.35v mine was 10C hotter than my E6600 at 3GHz. That still just ain't right LOL! That, even after several mountings of a larger heat sink with a Fan on it. I know another guy who switched his Water Cooling from the CPU to the Chipset LOL! I still give my board a 95 The HOT Chipset and two fan headers are the reasons why I don't give it a 100%.

That really wasn't the point though. P35, p38, P45(?) and 48 are Obsolete at launch and that's the point I tried to make. Many folks will simply upgrade and think nothing of it. Some will be left out or have to choose between waiting on Nehalem or buying now. I'd not even have posted if we're talking about going from P965 and maybe P38 with none of the others. The upgrades or Tweaks are good and I look forward to them. That doesn't make the other things done OK.

IMHO 1366 is great but those cheap versions should have been Sc-775 and NOT a New 700 series at all. Hopefully between Now and Then someone at Intel will wake up change this.

[Donnie27]

Yep. Unfortunately. It would have been more convenient if Intel went to IMC with Conroe, then upgrading to Nehalem wouldn't require everyone to buy new mobos. Whoever buys SkullTrail (I like it ) will be definitely pissed when Nehalem comes. (which is why I wouldn't consider SkullTrail).

Nehalem better be a substantial change from Penryn to warrant A LOT of people buying new mobos.

Takes some of the appeal away from it, doesn't it? As much as I thought 4 X 4 or as I like to call it $ X $ is compat with K-10. Still *might suck LOL!

[Zytek_Fan]

Takes some of the appeal away from it, doesn't it? As much as I thought 4 X 4 or as I like to call it $ X $ is compat with K-10. Still *might suck LOL!

Yeah. Everytime I see something awesome for it, I'm like OMG ing awesome! Then the reality sets in. It's pretty much a dead end for upgrades.

Although since everybody has to buy new mobos for Nehalem it isn't too bad. And I'm sure the majority of people here buy new mobos whenever they completely revamp their rig...It's like you get SkullTrail, you have an enormous amount of power at your disposal, then Nehalem, the biggest architecture change since Pentium Pro comes along...

People with 4 x 4 right now are screwed. They can't pop in a Barcelona because it's not supported And it looks like Asus doesn't want to make new BIOS for it.

[Donnie27]

Yeah. Everytime I see something awesome for it, I'm like OMG ing awesome! Then the reality sets in. It's pretty much a dead end for upgrades.

Although since everybody has to buy new mobos for Nehalem it isn't too bad. And I'm sure the majority of people here buy new mobos whenever they completely revamp their rig...It's like you get SkullTrail, you have an enormous amount of power at your disposal, then Nehalem, the biggest architecture change since Pentium Pro comes along...

People with 4 x 4 right now are screwed. They can't pop in a Barcelona because it's not supported And it looks like Asus doesn't want to make new BIOS for it.

I agree.

[Pacha]

But even at 1.35v mine was 10C hotter than my E6600 at 3GHz. That still just ain't right LOL! That, even after several mountings of a larger heat sink with a Fan on it. I know another guy who switched his Water Cooling from the CPU to the Chipset LOL! I still give my board a 95 The HOT Chipset and two fan headers are the reasons why I don't give it a 100%.

That really wasn't the point though. P35, p38, P45(?) and 48 are Obsolete at launch and that's the point I tried to make. Many folks will simply upgrade and think nothing of it. Some will be left out or have to choose between waiting on Nehalem or buying now. I'd not even have posted if we're talking about going from P965 and maybe P38 with none of the others. The upgrades or Tweaks are good and I look forward to them. That doesn't make the other things done OK.

IMHO 1366 is great but those cheap versions should have been Sc-775 and NOT a New 700 series at all. Hopefully between Now and Then someone at Intel will wake up change this.

mine is quite hot indeed, but it's really not a problem I can keep my finger on it, I've seen worse. though I'm using the stock cooling, I just changed the stock crappy paste which didn't make good contact for as5 and it's ok even passive cooled
I don't see a need to change of mobo just for that temp "problem" right now. I'll consider changing when needed with nehalem, P965 is sufficient for me atm. P35 and X38 don't bring so much new performances or else to give me enough arguments to upgrade.

[Leeghoofd]

Well P35 chipset doesn't run HOT here Donnie though the X38 is at 47°C (400FSB at 1.32 volts ) , I already removed the thermal paste form Asus on the Maximus ( what a pain that was ) and it dropped temps on theh NB/SB by about 5°C, I'll prolly hook up the fuzion block to the WC loop to see what happens as some users reported temps at 450FSB with 1.6 volts at 35°C... it's clearly to me this chipset (X38) needs loads more voltage then the P35 to reach same FSB, but if you came from a 680i these temps seem like a Gods blessing lol

[Donnie27]

mine is quite hot indeed, but it's really not a problem I can keep my finger on it, I've seen worse. though I'm using the stock cooling, I just changed the stock crappy paste which didn't make good contact for as5 and it's ok even passive cooled
I don't see a need to change of mobo just for that temp "problem" right now. I'll consider changing when needed with nehalem, P965 is sufficient for me atm. P35 and X38 don't bring so much new performances or else to give me enough arguments to upgrade.

I've already played with the Gigabyte version of the P35, that's why I been way and not replied. My 3rd shot at it BTW.

I didn't look at P35 for strictly performance. I looked at getting one for it's features and running Penryn without overclocking an already hot@ssed P965 Chipset. I also liked the idea of PCI-E 2.0, slightly tweaked SATA and I/O but hey!

Well P35 chipset doesn't run HOT here Donnie though the X38 is at 47°C (400FSB at 1.32 volts ) , I already removed the thermal paste form Asus on the Maximus ( what a pain that was ) and it dropped temps on theh NB/SB by about 5°C, I'll prolly hook up the fuzion block to the WC loop to see what happens as some users reported temps at 450FSB with 1.6 volts at 35°C... it's clearly to me this chipset (X38) needs loads more voltage then the P35 to reach same FSB, but if you came from a 680i these temps seem like a Gods blessing lol

I love XtremeSystems.org just like the Guy who watches every Drag Race at the track, then gets into his Sport Sedan or Truck What you're saying is why I looked at the P35, yet, its being obsolete when Nehalem ships is not looking good. I think I'll wait for P45 and P48 LOL! Now I might go looking for a Q6600 G0 or etc....

[Leeghoofd]

Don't we all love Extreme, I learned so many things here, incredible source of knowledge... I'm pretty lucky as I work parttime in a hardware shop and assemble loads of rigs for friends and co, I usually buy stuff when I can get rid of my used hardware... this gives me the opportunity to test the latest hardware... but to be honest if my P5W did my current Q6600's like it did my E6400 I would have never left it, it was so stable and easy to setup ran for months trouble free till those power outtages took place in my street, wrecked my whole pc, board went in for RMA and I jumped on the Striker...things got way more complicated there lol...

As far as performance differences clock for clock there nothing much new compared to the good old 975...

[generalpetres]

skulltrail here i come. gonna get 2 9450 to run in my 3dcad/cam/maya/gaming computer good i wont have to wait a long time to render i mean 8 cores vs the singles i have to use at my school one can only dream of the possibilities

[Hornet331]

skulltrail here i come. gonna get 2 9450 to run in my 3dcad/cam/maya/gaming computer good i wont have to wait a long time to render i mean 8 cores vs the singles i have to use at my school one can only dream of the possibilities

its gona be interesting to see how you cram 2 S775 cpus into 2 S771.

[Zytek_Fan]

its gona be interesting to see how you cram 2 S775 cpus into 2 S771.

I don't think he is too well informed...or that he chooses not to read the info...



There ya go!

[Movieman]

its gona be interesting to see how you cram 2 S775 cpus into 2 S771.

You mean you can't just cut off four pins?
Damn, I've been doing it wrong all this time!

[Donnie27]

You mean you can't just cut off four pins?
Damn, I've been doing it wrong all this time!

I'm saving up my pennies for the Socket 1366 version with Native NUMA, CSI and etc..............