Quote Originally Posted by Sup3rman View Post
AMD has not been able to bring their 65nm process to the same level as 90nm. AMD's high-end CPU are still manufactured on 90nm. The process shrink from 90 to 65nm has hindered clock speed. Why do you think the shrink from 65 to 45nm would help clock speed?

To date Barcelonas < 1.8GHz are rare; I have never seen a 2GHz for sell. I'm just wondering how you reason AMD going from, struggling to produce 2GHz @ 65nm to 3GHz @ 45nm is likely?
Well I can't say much as it is, but retail Phenom X4s coming this November/December will reach current k8 speeds with ease.

Salvadar, no one's expecting these before 2009 as it is, which is fine by me as long as they improve steppings and yields on Barcelona throughout 2008.

Perkam