Nvidia D8E (9800/8900) pushed till 2008? [FUD WARNING]

[NightCrawler™]

I just want to upgrade by the end of this year.... why are the manufacturers making it difficult for me....?

[Sentential]

Despite it being Fuad there is always some element of truth to what he says, wrong or not. My guess is that there is an issue with the GPU that nvidia hasnt let on about.

While the G80 is a mature chip its still *quite* large, so to say its margins are good I think is a bit premature. More than likely nVidia is making next-to-nothing on the G80 chips hence why there is no 8800GS.

Even if it is on a new die process, much like we saw with Winchester the yeilds can be much worse and they will still wind up with more money on a smaller process reguardless of current yields.

Since there are rumors floating around that the "G92" is a mid-range card that makes perfect sense to me. More than likely G92 will replace the entire 8800 series @ either 65nm or 55nm which would rake in a killing for nVidia much like the RV670 is going to do.

In the meantime they can work the kinks out of G8E and release it sometime in March and still catch little flakk from the press about any manufacturing issues they are having (which Im sure is occuring giving they want 1tflop on a 65/55nm chip)

I`m confused with all these rumours

Earlier this month BenchZowner and Dynasty have said NVIDIA will release their High-End in November this year. SP number like G80/G80+ (128 or more) with 24xx mhz frequency, SINGLE chip (not 7950GX2 like), 384-bit memory bus etc. They have said they have this info from reliable source. OK - it`s very good if true and i don`t have any reason to don`t belive them yet but... But any others say this year will be only Mainstream GPU from NVIDIA

Then few days ago Fudzilla reported there will be no GF9800/8900 this year and NVIDIA push it to Q1 2008

Yesterday, on PCinlife Forum (Chinese), i found info that this November NVIDIA will only release G92 - mainstream GPU. Some sources say it is 96SP GPU and some it is 64 SP GPU.
There will be two G92 models but only one will be released in Nov this year and high-end part will be double G92.


I wonder why there is no info about NVIDIA High-end part if it really exists?
I really hope BenchZowner and Dynasty have said true and we will see G9x High-end part (with single GPU) this year.

It is much like I stated previously. Given the logistics of what they want to do, versus the die-space available and what UMC / TSMC has available it is going to be very *very* hard to pull off a 1tflop gfx card of any type. The odds of there being significant issues with the complexity of the card on a new manufacturing process while keeping leakage down enough to get it PCI-E 2.0 certified will be one hell of a challenge.

People may not know this but part of why I belive a tflop card is unrealistic is based upon the weight maximum for any device that is PCI-E certified. The current 8800s are at that maximum as well as the R600. They physically cant make a hotter running card without risking their certification (which would be a death sentence for OEM sales)

With that in mind I believe fuad may infact be onto something and the closer we get to November the more evidence of this we will see.


EDIT: I dont belive the G90 has even been taped out yet has it?

[virtualrain]

Since there are rumors floating around that the "G92" is a mid-range card that makes perfect sense to me. More than likely G92 will replace the entire 8800 series @ either 65nm or 55nm which would rake in a killing for nVidia much like the RV670 is going to do.

That's exactly what I'm saying with the addition that by deferring the launch of a next gen part (either intentionally or not) they buy a quarter of such profit raking without buyers feeling the need to opt for the next gen part (which will invariably have lower margins due to poorer initial yields).