Here's a little teaser....

[s7e9h3n]

Ninja Edit: The first bank of memory (first four sticks) are the only ones showing up. The other 4 sticks in the bank next to CPU #2 aren't showing up at all, so it's only seeing 8GB of memory (but this is 32-bit Windows, so it doesn't really matter). However, the memory is still showing up in slots 1/2/3/4, so I'm not sure why dual channel isn't kicking in...

Welcome to Barcelona You'll most likely have similar problems in 64-bit Windows as well. I was running 2k3 x64 R2 with my chips and had problems with memory detection as well. In my case, CpuZ saw all 8gb, but when I pulled the "drop down" menu to see which slots were populated, 4 out of the 8 slots showed memory inserted: 1gb in each slot. I was using 2gb sticks You'll also notice that I was stuck @ 159mhz single channel.....

What bothers me is: since the chipstes from server parts are more difficult to deal with is already a fact, why the heck are they so more difficult to deal with? What are the reasons behind it?

All chipsets aren't perfect upon release, but the Barcelona "compatible" chipsets are unusually bad. This may have to do with the fact that the prior socket F chipsets were designed with QuadCore AMD's already in mind. Chipsets were built according to AMD's guidelines which - in a perfect world - would have supported Barcelona as a "drop-in" upgrade. The reason C2D didn't have as many issues was due to the fact that the chipsets were designed SPECIFICALLY for that generation of cpu's and required users to purchase new mobo's -> something AMD wanted to avoid.

[s7e9h3n]

Let me know what else you want to see and I'll do it. The video is onboard, so 3D benchmarks at this point are worthless so don't even ask.

Although you said not to ask, I will anyways . I've been curious to see how well the cpu's will perform in 3d01. I think that your onboard graphics (ATI Rage or ES1000?) may just support the minimums for 3d01. Since 3d01 is cpu driven, it'd be interesting to see what would happen. I was planning to do this myself when I get the replacement mobo, but since you [sort-of] offered......

[s7e9h3n]

Oh BTW, everyone benching these CPU's should use 64-bit Cinebench as the 32-bit version basically tells nothing about what Barcelona's capable of.

[akaBruno]

All chipsets aren't perfect upon release, but the Barcelona "compatible" chipsets are unusually bad. This may have to do with the fact that the prior socket F chipsets were designed with QuadCore AMD's already in mind. Chipsets were built according to AMD's guidelines which - in a perfect world - would have supported Barcelona as a "drop-in" upgrade. The reason C2D didn't have as many issues was due to the fact that the chipsets were designed SPECIFICALLY for that generation of cpu's and required users to purchase new mobo's -> something AMD wanted to avoid.

Yup!

[dave_graham]

Nice to se more benchs arriving

What does Tyan or AMD say about the issues/performance?

lol

AMD squarely blames the platform guys and....well, the platform guys flip it right around.

cheers,

dave

[tsuehpsyde]

Oh BTW, everyone benching these CPU's should use 64-bit Cinebench as the 32-bit version basically tells nothing about what Barcelona's capable of.

I can't get 64-Bit Windows on there, sorry. Confined to 32-bit for reasons out of my control, otherwise I'd give it a try. As for 3DMark01, meh, I suppose I can try, but it's going to be ugly.

[dave_graham]

Still wondering about that memory, Dave. And holy huge images, batman!

And I'm using a Supermicro, but I think Dave is on a Tyan...and our performance seems about similar except SuperPI, but considering the memory issues I'm dealing with that's not surprising.

honestly, don't remember what CPU-Z said....it did miss the fact that only 2out of each 8 slots was populated (1GB sticks of Kingston DDr2-667)

i've got some 1Gb sticks of mushkin DDR2-667, so...we can try with those.

i'm using a Tyan 3992 and I've got a 3992-E on order.

dave

[dave_graham]

I can't get 64-Bit Windows on there, sorry. Confined to 32-bit for reasons out of my control, otherwise I'd give it a try. As for 3DMark01, meh, I suppose I can try, but it's going to be ugly.

i can try it.

have Standard R2 X64 at work.,

dave

[dave_graham]

Oh BTW, everyone benching these CPU's should use 64-bit Cinebench as the 32-bit version basically tells nothing about what Barcelona's capable of.

i'll try.

dave

[tsuehpsyde]

The 3DMark2001 Install gave me a "Could Not Create Direct3D Device" error, and asked me to use 16-bit color on my desktop (which it already does). Not sure what video is on this thing, but no drivers are installed. I'll see what I can do about it...

[akaBruno]

Hey Dave:

A stupid layman question.

Did AMD screw up trying to develop their own mobo chipset by witholding information from the main chipset manufacturer's ???

Just wonderin,

Bruno

[PhilDoc]

The 3DMark2001 Install gave me a "Could Not Create Direct3D Device" error, and asked me to use 16-bit color on my desktop (which it already does). Not sure what video is on this thing, but no drivers are installed. I'll see what I can do about it...

You may have to install Dx as well, been a while since I ran 2003, but I believe it only has remnants of Dx. You'll probably also have to go into the Dx Diag and make sure all of the sliders are set to accellerate. You'll also may have to go to display properties and make sure its accellerated there also. That's about all I remember for running 2001 on 2003.

[afireinside]

Has ANYONE run 3d06 yet? This is pretty lame

[Kayin]

I don't think anyone has anything capable of running it here. There are workstation boards, with onboard video. I think they're at best running XGI Volaris...

3DM06 has nothing to do with new CPU architectures, and a Barcelona system will most likely not be indicative of either Phenom or QuadFX. Between the errata issue, ECC ram, and workstation chipsets there's little point in pursuing that one...

[cky2k6]

for amd's sake, i hope the chips and boards it sold to their actual customers function. cause, if their multi billion dollar clients are unhappy with how their new servers are running, amd is going to get eaten alive...

[PhilDoc]

Not sure but I think that a lot of sales are for the entire server. I'm sure AMD will make sure they run before they get to the customer. They will probably also have a lot of drop in sales, just exchanging cpus. For those I'm sure the AMD field reps will be johnny on the spot and will undoubtably have made sure the configuration will run before they exchange cpus

[afireinside]

I don't think anyone has anything capable of running it here. There are workstation boards, with onboard video. I think they're at best running XGI Volaris...

3DM06 has nothing to do with new CPU architectures, and a Barcelona system will most likely not be indicative of either Phenom or QuadFX. Between the errata issue, ECC ram, and workstation chipsets there's little point in pursuing that one...

All we want to see is the CPU test... barcelona will be the same thing as phenom. And what does this errata issue have to do with 06? And the chipset? Since when has chipset mattered with A64s?

[massman]

The 3DMark2001 Install gave me a "Could Not Create Direct3D Device" error, and asked me to use 16-bit color on my desktop (which it already does). Not sure what video is on this thing, but no drivers are installed. I'll see what I can do about it...

1) DirectX installed?

2) Hardware acceleration (right-click desktop, properties, last tab, advanced, fourth tab) fully enabled?

[informal]

All we want to see is the CPU test... barcelona will be the same thing as phenom. And what does this errata issue have to do with 06? And the chipset? Since when has chipset mattered with A64s?

The issue is with the onboard graphics which doesn't meet the minimum specs in order to even run the bench on the K10 system.

[afireinside]

The issue is with the onboard graphics which doesn't meet the minimum specs in order to even run the bench on the K10 system.

Get not integrated graphics?

[informal]

Well you can request that ,but it's up to the few who have access to the systems to reply.

[metro.cl]

lol

AMD squarely blames the platform guys and....well, the platform guys flip it right around.

cheers,

dave

LoL they should be fixing it instead of fliping around.

Asus is also having issues with the BIOS.

I think the best right now is that AMD can get RD790 out soon to see the potential of K10 at its max

[KTE]

tsuehpsyde: The x86 validation read single channel RAM, yup.

Dave: That CrystalMark score is double what someone else was getting with the the same CPU. Talk about buggy:



And SPI 1M is basically the same as 2xK8 Opteron 2GHz:



Whatever you do, try to monitor all core frequencies if you can (RM CLock might give more accurate real time frequencies). I personally know if PLLs and BIOS are erring the frequencies shown in CPUZ or most software can be wrong, Franck and Samuel will also tell you this as many C2Ds also showed this problem. It seems these cores on these early platforms love running at different frequencies though.

ASUS did the exact same rash jobs on their quad father BIOSes for quite a long while.

You might aswell look at the Clovertown 2GHz Cinebench x64 score:



Good luck

[BeardyMan]

All we want to see is the CPU test... barcelona will be the same thing as phenom. And what does this errata issue have to do with 06? And the chipset? Since when has chipset mattered with A64s?

no it's not.

[metro.cl]

no it's not.

Mate stop being so close minded.

K10 is the main arch, most that AMD can do on phenom to improove performance (IPC) is to increase the mem controler speed and that is it.