Quote Originally Posted by Jacky View Post
rofl, so wasn't BA ready on the 10th? (then what a nice "hardlaunch") thats pathetic... so did AMD really send out BUGGED AND CRIPPLED chips to anandtech for testing? wow what GREAT marketing. wasn't BA ready or are they just plain stupid?
since i've replied to this ad naseum elsewhere, Anandtech, in the grand scheme of things, is meaningless. the chips weren't crippled. errata is part of ANY cpu launch and, just to play fair, intel does the exact same thing. just because Anand "prosumer" Shimpi didn't receive BAs doesn't mean they're not shipping. Sun confirmed that they've already been receiving them yesterday when I talked to them. *shrug* cut and dry to me.

Quote Originally Posted by Jacky
techreport tested a 2.5ghz chip and it wasn't much better anway..
*yawn*

Quote Originally Posted by Jacky
dave do you REALLY believe shanghai is launching so early that it may succeed the b2 stepping? (which would put it in Q1/Q2'08)
or is the b3 stepping rather something like Intel's g0 which will be replaced 3-6 months later by shanghai (that'd be logical)
where did i say that?

i said:
B2 - production release for high speed SE and 95w parts for Q4. Will be announced in November with revenue shipping and availability either at the end of Q4 or beginning of Q1. will supercede ALL part codes that utilize BA stepping. fixes more noted errata.
where does that say that Shanghai is launching early?

even further:
B3 - as yet unannounced stepping release probably coinciding with Shanghai release (if on schedule next year). if it is the Shanghai refresh, will contain min. 6mb L3 and mask improvements along with further RAS refinements. supposedly partners are receiving early silicon of this as well, but i'd state it'd probably be early fab. spins for compat. purposes.
notice the words in bold.... "probably" "if on schedule next year" so on. again, i'm not saying that it will be, but, the F2 to F3 steppings on the 2000 series only took 1 year.

i also stated that "if it is the Shanghai refresh"....that means, it may not be.
shanghai isn't another new "core" as it were. It's still slated to be an L3 add and will, if history is any indicator, contain masking updates, more cache, more RAS features, etc. 'Dozer, et al. are the new cores.

hope that helps.

dave