OK OK, but we don't have a gaming board to test them on now. Do we? Maybe if one only used two cores?
OK OK, but we don't have a gaming board to test them on now. Do we? Maybe if one only used two cores?
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It's nice to see the great Kyosen excited about a cpu (especially an AMD one)Originally Posted by kyosen
One shop in Akihabara starts Opteron demo!
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba...elonademo.html
They use Tyan n3600M + Opteron 2347 x2.
...I must go there tomorrow
BTW, I've just read an official K10 Revision Guide:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/41322.pdf
This guide describes only "DR-BA" and "DR-B2" revisions.
So, CPU-Z should shows "A" as stepping value in case of "BA" revision,
and "2" for "DR-B2".but I must beg to differ here. I have a feeling CPU-Z will show a "1" in the "stepping" for a revision BA cpu
......of course I could be wrong here
This is without a doubt the most interesting topic on XS right now. I won't post anything more as you guys are out of my league.
(btw Dave Graham, I've added you to my MSN.)
Last edited by EnJoY; 09-12-2007 at 03:23 PM.
Formerly XIP, now just P.
O right, now things are much more clear!
Just like Hexus, THG, and some other sites you're hurt 'cos you wasn't "awarded" with samples, demo stuff, or presence at the launch, and now you've started to grown small, but fast growing hatred towards the AMD and their product… and you even find yourself smart enough to discuss with Dave, although you know he has whole world of experience with Barcelona, and you didn't even touch the HSF!!
And now you're telling us that you have your own little vendetta plan – they don't giving me samples, then I'll leak! And being such a big leaker does you really expect that AMD will give you any support?? Get a grip amigo, your attitude is completely wrong!
And please, don’t mention Kubicki… we all know how lame he went in discussion with Charley, and we all know how blatantly he was making up FUD regarding the Phenom system photos… he's gone in the wind of subjectivity and hurt ego ('cos he wasn't invited)… don't go that route!
Last edited by Nedjo; 09-12-2007 at 05:13 PM.
Lol AMD attitude is completely wrong.O right, now things are much more clear!
Just like Hexus, THG, and some other sites you're hurt 'cos you wasn't "awarded" with samples, demo stuff, or presence at the launch, and now you've started to grown small, but fast growing hatred towards the AMD and their product… and you even find yourself smart enough to discuss with Dave, although you know he has whole world of experience with Barcelona, and you didn't even touch the HSF!!
And now you're telling us that you have your own little vendetta plan – they don't giving me samples, then I'll leak! And being such a big leaker does you really expect that AMD will give you any support?? Get a grip amigo, your attitude is completely wrong!
And please, don’t mention Kubicki… we all know how lame he went in discussion with Charley, and we all know how blatantly he was making up FUD regarding the Phenom system photos… he's gone in the wind of subjectivity and hurt ego ('cos he wasn't invited)… don't go that route!
And as far as i know the website is the only one in chile with this award.
I still get samples but have to return them, just to let you know i went to AMD headquarters this year invited by them to the HD 2900 launch. I always said i would definetly stay here and get samples that stay so we can compare to NVIDIAs when both hardware is available.
My current VGA is a HD 2900 XT 1GB so you might have the wrong idea.
Now i'm not a fanboy i used to love my Opty 148 and did some awsome overclocking with it, my current notebook is based in AMD cpu + chipset. I just like when people say the truth.
Ask Dave if he knows Kris maybe you dont know much about things really.
About K10 CPUs of course i would never get samples down as is the normal thing from AMD, we are always working to improve this, but AMD doesnt care about SA.
Last time i checked leaked info was something nice to other users, maybe you just dont have to look at info when i leak it if you hate that much my attitude.
You are really out of line with this post my friend., Go and chill out a little.O right, now things are much more clear!
Just like Hexus, THG, and some other sites you're hurt 'cos you wasn't "awarded" with samples, demo stuff, or presence at the launch, and now you've started to grown small, but fast growing hatred towards the AMD and their product… and you even find yourself smart enough to discuss with Dave, although you know he has whole world of experience with Barcelona, and you didn't even touch the HSF!!
And now you're telling us that you have your own little vendetta plan – they don't giving me samples, then I'll leak! And being such a big leaker does you really expect that AMD will give you any support?? Get a grip amigo, your attitude is completely wrong!
And please, don’t mention Kubicki… we all know how lame he went in discussion with Charley, and we all know how blatantly he was making up FUD regarding the Phenom system photos… he's gone in the wind of subjectivity and hurt ego ('cos he wasn't invited)… don't go that route!
yea, I'm a mod defending a XIP, but that isn't the issue. Your tone is.
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So much good information in this thread. But so much thread crapping as well. It seems people get blinded by their ego's over hardware here and who's "right". It's like Dave and S7 have said..the hardware still isn't really ready. There are a few bugs to work out (as with every CPU launch) and I'm not surprised at all. For AMD not having the vast resources of Intel to pull a Native Quad off and get it going right away is impressive in itself. Along with their acquisition of ATI, AMD is doing the right thing. All that matters is that their orders have shipped to the Enterprise customers which is where the $$$$ is at.
Talking about perfomance scale. I've made some numbers of perf scale with techreport review (I've only jumped synthetic and useless crap Sandra). Here we go:
Well, it seems Barcelona scales clearly better than Clovertown (18.61% of 25% or 74.44% of 100% in Barcelona side; 18.23% of 28.76% or 63.40% of 100% in Clovertown side). So, it scales about 11% more than Clovertown.
Now the evident question: Is it because Barcelona 2.5ghz is B2 and Barcelona 2.0ghz is B1? or, is it simply because Barcelona scales better than Clovertown? here's the question. Someone?
Last edited by PetNorth; 09-12-2007 at 04:29 PM.
I don't see anything insulting in my post and don't see the reason for you to defend metro 'cos I wasn't attacking him, or using any "banana" words!
It's clear as a day from his recent posts and factless arguing with Dave, that metro is… well, let's say disappointed with Barcelona, but hasn't really got any real supporting argument for that state of spirit. And with that attitude he's engaging confrontation with Dave who has all the hard facts about CPU, and it's performance…
And finally metro is writing to Dave that he's sold to AMD (BTW why didn't you reacted when metro accused Dave that he's "sold to AMD"?) . So I've asked myself why he's acting so frustrated and finally he's giving us an answer:
" Read this i believe you know Kris and also i leak because as i've said before is the only thing i can do since we don't get the hardware we want even thought we are like Top 5 hardware review website in Spanish."
And now he's giving us evidence that he was really recognized by Advanced Micro TWO years ago, he has loved his Opteron, it's allegiance to AMD is true – he has true rarity 2900XT 1GB etc.
Unfortunately AMD doesn't recognize that any more, although he's trying to improve that, unfortunately without results, 'cos "AMD doesn't care about SA"…
Back to the beginning: you don't need to defend metro, 'cos I was giving him friendly advice not to go with the route of leaking, 'cos that will not improve his relationship with AMD, quite contrary! And believe me I know what I'm writing about!!
Also he should stop paying attention what Kubicki is writing about 'cos that boy screws up badly his reputation, and not any call upon rebellion against NDA will not improve things! Reputation is the only weapon that IT jurno has and when it's lost once it's lost for good. And if metro is making living from his site he'll be smarter than Kubicki.
So once again, metro, you should try to work out things with AMD if you want to be recognized by them, leaking will not get you anywhere, and in the long run will diminish aggregated clicks on account of leakage.
Concerning the K10, you haven't see but fragment of info in those PDF's that you've got, about upcoming stuff
Cheers m8
Wish this thread was more about truth in numbers than soap operas......losing interest fast.
You got a short memory. Go back and read your post. The tone is sarcastic and out of line. I also douby any post to an individual that ends with ais meant to be positive or helpful.
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Yup, the thread badly needs some cleaning
Been trying hard to separate the information from the poo in these threads, but it is becoming harder and harder. Thanks to the guys asking and answering questions; and to the others, please keep the shoveling to a minimum.
My memory is just fine! As I wrote: I haven't used single word to insult him. I've wrote what's obvious: metro has a problem in communication with AMD and has reflection his aggravation with a company (or local office or representative) on to the product, regardless of the fact that he doesn't have clear picture of the product (unlike Dave who he calls "sold to AMD)
I've miss clicked smiley! Edited post for appropriate one…I also douby any post to an individual that ends with a
Chill out guys (all). You're on the internet and its pointless getting serious. No ones gonna harm you here, well at least not physically.... I skip over watching TV you know.
PetNorth: I'll check your numbers out after some system building I gotta do right now. Looks good at a glance.
The problem, and yes, I believe it is a problem folks, that this chip is server market. Server market, what the various chip PR teams play up, hype and fight over is what counts most: usually the SPEC CPU 2006 benchmarks first, power second and simultaneously, price.
In the same respect, when AMD says its Opteron 2.5GHz scales 15% better than a 2GHz, I assure you they mean for the market segment and applications its to be sold in: server. I really reckon AMD went for 2S, 4S, 8S kills with this silicon features such as HT 3.0/DCA2.0, massive bandwidth power and low TDP. Because that's where most of the profit is and day by day, even more than 4-way supercomputing and general computing power requirements are increasing in demand. In these sections, power efficiency and price is key with decent performance, believe me.
Look at the successful uptakings already: Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Sun, Dell, Appro, Egenera, Gateway, Rackable Systems, Supermicro, and Verari (probably more).
Dell Chairman and CEO Michael Dell: his company intends to double its lineup of AMD-based systems by year's end.
Jonathan Schwartz, Sun's president and CEO: his company is aiming to use the quad-core Opteron to double its AMD-based server business.
"The two companies said Lucasfilm would order servers based on the technology for the data centers at Lucasfilm that produce digital arts and entertainment. Lucasfilm said it uses AMD chips exclusively at its global operations at the Letterman Digital Arts Center in San Francisco and its campus in Singapore. The San Francisco campus alone houses a 13,500-square-foot data center complete with a render farm, file servers, and storage systems."
I don't for a second believe AMD has clock speed binning problems when they just managed to release a very old X2 3200MHz that overclocks to 3500MHz stable, but I DO have reason to believe they have low yields on the new chips fitting those same 2xK8 type of 65nm chip upgrade (K10) into the 120W/75W TDP they would like and have touted for long being the key. That's exactly why I believe the new boards will help, and why HT 3.0 with high speeds is not being utilized on these chips now (because higher HT/IMC frequencies can be power hogs).
I really am not and cannot draw conclusions for any desktop parts based on any chip released yet. And I do think Phenom FX is a different fish to Opteron, however slightly.
The marketing team of Intel is spot on with winning fans, praise and leadership: they launch at high as frequencies as possible, and make their minimum and maximum frequencies at launch quite high with immediate effort on clock rampings back and forth (along with price
BTW, sorry about this again(yes I know that it states of single socket)
These Opty numbers should be trusted for clock scaling at its peak for future K10 in server benches IMHO. I wouldn't count on more than this at all (not sure if the Xeon numbers are true though)->
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3...naspecish7.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/125...naspecfie8.jpg
It was 3 way crossfire, people that was there saw the system and ahd 3 cards stop the hype and miss information.Chill out guys (all). You're on the internet and its pointless getting serious. No ones gonna harm you here, well at least not physically.... I skip over watching TV you know.
PetNorth: I'll check your numbers out after some system building I gotta do right now. Looks good at a glance.
The problem, and yes, I believe it is a problem folks, that this chip is server market. Server market, what the various chip PR teams play up, hype and fight over is what counts most: usually the SPEC CPU 2006 benchmarks first, power second and simultaneously, price.
In the same respect, when AMD says its Opteron 2.5GHz scales 15% better than a 2GHz, I assure you they mean for the market segment and applications its to be sold in: server. I really reckon AMD went for 2S, 4S, 8S kills with this silicon features such as HT 3.0/DCA2.0, massive bandwidth power and low TDP. Because that's where most of the profit is and day by day, even more than 4-way supercomputing and general computing power requirements are increasing in demand. In these sections, power efficiency and price is key with decent performance, believe me.
Look at the successful uptakings already: Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Sun, Dell, Appro, Egenera, Gateway, Rackable Systems, Supermicro, and Verari (probably more).
Dell Chairman and CEO Michael Dell: his company intends to double its lineup of AMD-based systems by year's end.
Jonathan Schwartz, Sun's president and CEO: his company is aiming to use the quad-core Opteron to double its AMD-based server business.
"The two companies said Lucasfilm would order servers based on the technology for the data centers at Lucasfilm that produce digital arts and entertainment. Lucasfilm said it uses AMD chips exclusively at its global operations at the Letterman Digital Arts Center in San Francisco and its campus in Singapore. The San Francisco campus alone houses a 13,500-square-foot data center complete with a render farm, file servers, and storage systems."
I don't for a second believe AMD has clock speed binning problems when they just managed to release a very old X2 3200MHz that overclocks to 3500MHz stable, but I DO have reason to believe they have low yields on the new chips fitting those same 2xK8 type of 65nm chip upgrade (K10) into the 120W/75W TDP they would like and have touted for long being the key. That's exactly why I believe the new boards will help, and why HT 3.0 with high speeds is not being utilized on these chips now (because higher HT/IMC frequencies can be power hogs).
I really am not and cannot draw conclusions for any desktop parts based on any chip released yet. And I do think Phenom FX is a different fish to Opteron, however slightly.
The marketing team of Intel is spot on with winning fans, praise and leadership: they launch at high as frequencies as possible, and make their minimum and maximum frequencies at launch quite high with immediate effort on clock rampings back and forth (along with price
BTW, sorry about this again
These Opty numbers should be trusted for clock scaling at its peak for future K10 in server benches IMHO. I wouldn't count on more than this at all (not sure if the Xeon numbers are true though)->
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3...naspecish7.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/125...naspecfie8.jpg
One more thing those systems were bios modded for marketing reasons i know this for sure
About K10 im not un informed. Please explain how Anand got a B2 chip that is somehow bad since you confrimed B2 was the good one.
OK metro.cl. I have your word against someone elses whose also a hardware website owner and who I trust just as much. This confuses me. So I'll forget about it until we get the systems to run tri-fire or whatever config and see the scores. Either way, it wasn't what they posted or claimed.
"About K10 im not un informed. Please explain how Anand got a B2 chip that is somehow bad since you confirmed B2 was the good one."
Me? I haven't yet said anything about Anandtech chips, because I didn't know. Dave has though and since it comes from AMD rather than speculation, I have no reason to distrust him.
The waters always clear away sooner or later, but benefit of the doubt has to be given to someone with a safe reputation, trustworthy and known honest as I feel, unless you have equal value proof otherwise (like another AMD rep saying something opposite). In which case, its better worked out and reconciled tamely in private IMHO.
Tell you what - why don't a few guys on here who doubt what Dave says, or one of their many online friends, ask AMD or their AMD contacts?
AFAIK, a 2p rd790 board isn't yet finished. If it was even close to completion, I'd be making calls like a madman trying to get that board on my deskBTW, sorry about this again
On another note, I've been staring at this Barcelona system for the last hour or so and decided that I'll just run the one "good" cpu for now....at least we'll all get some real numbers to clear up all this speculation and bickering...
Finally some actionAFAIK, a 2p rd790 board isn't yet finished. If it was even close to completion, I'd be making calls like a madman trying to get that board on my desk
On another note, I've been staring at this Barcelona system for the last hour or so and decided that I'll just run the one "good" cpu for now....at least we'll all get some real numbers to clear up all this speculation and bickering...
Tell us the stepping and the date of the BIOS
Btw, talking about the "2S systems"...
have anybody seem this one: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42307
:cry:
Anyone closer to the sources could please thell us that this is a lie?
Thats good news, Finally some numbers everyone here is interested in (unless you're gonna do a 500 connection sql test
and no it won't clear up the bickering, you know it will get worse
first order of business
search for coldbug
This is good, I'm most interested in 1 X 4 core CPU on those x264 tests anyway. x264 automatically runs as many threads as cores.
agreed...first order of business
search for coldbug
Out of respect, could everyone stop fighting in the best thread on XS? Having said that, I dont think anyone went out of line here, but it doesnt do the thread good because some people could decide to stop posting. Now if that happens to be the wrong type of poster, we get no information anymore. And THAT will piss me off.
PetNorth: interesting numbers. Did you do the research?
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