K10 Scores starting to surface

[doompc]

SP33DFR34K, where did you find those images?

dave_graham, is it true that AMD's NDA include ritual suicide ?

[dave_graham]

no ritual suicide.

dave

[JumpingJack]

yes. quite sure. the launch stepping is different and will have a different nom de guerre. Can't disclose the exact stepping version due to NDA restrictions but it's not B1.

cheers,

dave

Curious, care to venture a prediction on how a 2P Barcelona Opty 2350 (@ 2.0 GHz) might stack up against a 2P Opty 2224 (@ 3.2 GHz)?

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SP33DFR34K, where did you find those images?

dave_graham, is it true that AMD's NDA include ritual suicide ?

Oh I made them to prove a point. Very easy to make REALLY believable images. So don't believe everything you hear these next couple of days no matter how realistic the proof may look.

[hawkeyefan]

Oh I made them to prove a point. Very easy to make REALLY believable images. So don't believe everything you hear these next couple of days no matter how realistic the proof may look.

Point taken but in reality, it depends on the source.

Nobody is going to believe that DT or AT are faking screens, for example. FUDziller or Inq maybe

Which is pretty much common sense

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Point taken but in reality, it depends on the source.

Nobody is going to believe that DT or AT are faking screens, for example. FUDziller or Inq maybe

Which is pretty much common sense

Of course, even as much as I am rooting AMD for their next gen processors, there is no way they can pull that kind of time with 2Ghz because from what I have experience, AMD generally doesn't do so well with SuperPi. So something that beats a 4Ghz Core 2 Duo plus the performance drop of using an AMD processor for Super Pi boggles the mind.

Common sense + Logic these next couple of days please

[gallag]

Have faith mate......13s will be slow for these babies

Are you saying @ 2ghz the AMD k10 quad core will finish pi 1m in under 13 seconds? That would be amazing.

coincidently, If it does, Will pi become relevant as a benchmark again?

[Motiv]

Are you saying @ 2ghz the AMD k10 quad core will finish pi 1m in under 13 seconds? That would be amazing.

coincidently, If it does, Will pi become relevant as a benchmark again?

All Benchmarks are relevant. There will never be a fair benchmark that can bench two different CPUs.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Are you saying @ 2ghz the AMD k10 quad core will finish pi 1m in under 13 seconds? That would be amazing.

coincidently, If it does, Will pi become relevant as a benchmark again?

From the benches I've been priveledged enough to see the results of ()a 2ghz K10 will score around a 19sec 1M Pi time......at 3ghz approx 12secs.

[RedBull78]

From the benches I've been priveledged enough to see the results of ()a 2ghz K10 will score around a 19sec 1M Pi time......at 3ghz approx 12secs.

If that happens to be true then god bless AMD.

[hawkeyefan]

Common sense + Logic these next couple of days please

QFT

[Motiv]

From the benches I've been priveledged enough to see the results of ()a 2ghz K10 will score around a 19sec 1M Pi time......at 3ghz approx 12secs.

Not often you get someone staking their reputation on the line like that. You better be right else you can expect no one believing a word from you in the future.

[hipro5]

After ALL these threads about Barcie flowing around the XS, finally what is the REAL Super-Pi 1M?......39sec?.....32sec?......24sec?.....15sec?. .....13sec?.....What?.....Coz we've seen all of them and I'm wondering if I have to start saving for the Barcie platform OR to start opening my big mouth about AMD.....

[Dagalidis]

After ALL these threads about Barcie flowing around the XS, finally what is the REAL Super-Pi 1M?......39sec?.....32sec?......24sec?.....15sec?. .....13sec?.....What?.....Coz we've seen all of them and I'm wondering if I have to start saving for the Barcie platform OR to start opening my big mouth about AMD.....

4 days left my friend for the show..

I hope AMD will do 13Sec @ 2000Mhz SPI, and you start BENCHEs with AMD CPU...

[Blasar]

Barcelona (2GHz) -> Pi 1M 13 secs....

Barcelona (3GHz) -> Pi 1M ?? secs....


Man, this is just to good to be true.... i hope it is, though....

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Not often you get someone staking their reputation on the line like that. You better be right else you can expect no one believing a word from you in the future.

I can appreciate that.......but what do I get when it turns out I'm perfectly correct?

After ALL these threads about Barcie flowing around the XS, finally what is the REAL Super-Pi 1M?......39sec?.....32sec?......24sec?.....15sec?. .....13sec?.....What?.....Coz we've seen all of them and I'm wondering if I have to start saving for the Barcie platform OR to start opening my big mouth about AMD.....

It'll be nice to see you HARD-CORE guys using AMD again.......shame really though.....I wanted to be THE MAN

I wonder if KP will start to mess with K10.......surely he will huh? Or is he on INTEL's payroll?

[hipro5]

I wonder if KP will start to mess with K10.......surely he will huh? Or is he on INTEL's payroll?

k|ngp|n plays with what is faster.....

I, on the other hand, am an "Intel guy"....

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

k|ngp|n plays with what is faster.....

I, on the other hand, am an "Intel guy"....

I'm sure INTEL are very glad you chose them Hipro.....I know AMD could use a few guys like you to brighten up their days

[Dresdenboy]

Barcelona (2GHz) -> Pi 1M 13 secs....

Barcelona (3GHz) -> Pi 1M ?? secs....


Man, this is just to good to be true.... i hope it is, though....

I highly doubt this. Because Super Pi...

• uses x87 code, which didn't get any improvement in K10
• has a dataset of several MB, while K10 only brings less of the fast L2 and just 2 MB of L3 (although nearly fully available for a single Super Pi task) to the table

These are just the probably most important reasons. My prediction: K10 won't be much faster than K8. But double digit percent faster is not unlikely thanks to other core improvements.

[alayashu]

Anandtech's editor said that a newer barcelona stepping @ 2ghz does either 26 seconds in SuperPI
or 39-26=13 seconds. While the 13seconds @ 2ghz looks SF, the 26 seconds can be true.
i said "either" cause what he said is interpretable

4 more days to go

[alayashu]

I think the 39s is the most accurate, but it might be few secs faster. K10 does not have theoretical potential to perform like Core2 in SuperPi, but some people have too much faith in K10.

yes it is 100% accurate for an older stepping wich the guy from coolaler's forum used
since then many things improved with new steppings, according to guys holding
these CPUs.

26 seconds

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

K10 cpu @ 3Ghz & DDR2 @ 1066+mhz 5,5,5,18 & AM2+ MOBO = <17s

K10 cpu @ 2Ghz & DDR2 @ 667mhz 5,5,5,15 & AM2 MOBO = 26

[JNav89GT]

Of course, even as much as I am rooting AMD for their next gen processors, there is no way they can pull that kind of time with 2Ghz because from what I have experience, AMD generally doesn't do so well with SuperPi. So something that beats a 4Ghz Core 2 Duo plus the performance drop of using an AMD processor for Super Pi boggles the mind.

Common sense + Logic these next couple of days please

lol I 100% agree! This is where people get their panties all in a wad over inflated bench numbers only to be disappointed. When it launches we will know for the most part, barring bad reviews and or benches. That should be quickly sorted and in the end user hands we'll have good data to compare. IMO if AMD can approach Core2 4mb/quad performance clock for clock it's a win for them. NOT that it will win over the overclocking community, but 95% of sales is Dell/Best buy/HP type junk and they need to be more competitive rather than just nuking their ASP's of their cpu's. AMD's success doesn't rest on anyone in this forum, as much as you may think. Most of their failure can be chaulked up to horrible marketing, and business decisions(ati), not engineering. A64 was revolutionary in many respects when it hit. Now Core2, while being in many ways a decendent of a PIII was revolutionary in regards to performance when it hit. Will Barcelona/Phenom leapfrog Intel? I really doubt it. Again, if they close the performance gap that exists now clock for clock I think that will be enough for now. Overclocking I'm sure will stay on Intel's side, as I doubt these new chips will have the headroom to hit 3.6ghz on air that intel is getting, or more!
I hope to have some Barcelona/Phenom samples before long, but until I play with them and more info it known, it's all just speculation unless your in the "know" .

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Guys the 13sec is FAKE. By some miracle of alien technology that AMD uses a 2Ghz AMD chip can pull 13 sec on SuperPi, everyone will start wearing their pink tutus in celebration.

[JNav89GT]

Guys the 13sec is FAKE. By some miracle of alien technology that AMD uses a 2Ghz AMD chip can pull 13 sec on SuperPi, everyone will start wearing their pink tutus in celebration.

I agree, and by some miracle if 13sec at 2ghz is true I'll wear my daughters pink ballerena outfit and dance around the neighborhood lol!