Post your X2 revision F3 OC and stepping

[Mad_Man]

here is smth i wanna to avoid...
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...&postcount=360
that was 5200+ 89W

do you guis know if this F3 are soldered?
i puzzling with idea of removin, i removed 6ihs's but this one is the best core i have now, dont wanna to ruin it.

[Psycho_eddie]

DONT DO IT ... removing IHS that is... performence with heat loss wont be that much couple of degress if that?.. at risk of killing your cpu completly.. max i think you can do is lap the base of your CPU block and lap the CPU ... but then when you resell your CPU at a later date how they gona know it really is a 6000x2??...

Seems like my zalman res is doing nice atm... 45/43 on both cores about 2 hours into prime 95 with dual threads!... ZALMAN RES = !

[Mad_Man]

DONT DO IT ... removing IHS that is... performence with heat loss wont be that much couple of degress if that?.. at risk of killing your cpu completly.. max i think you can do is lap the base of your CPU block and lap the CPU ... but then when you resell your CPU at a later date how they gona know it really is a 6000x2??...

Seems like my zalman res is doing nice atm... 45/43 on both cores about 2 hours into prime 95 with dual threads!... ZALMAN RES = !

i thought exactly that way. but still, theres 95% chance that this cpu will end as folder
anyway, whats your ambient temp and idle?
nice temps with passive setup. do you have gpu in loop?

[Psycho_eddie]

Just had to make trc 22-25 to get system fully stable @ 3250... so many things not just CPU to consider

I have taken out GPU yesterday to be sent back as it was faulty... i dont expect temps to change much..

Idle 35C... Load 45C

With gpu Idle 35C Load 50C or there abouts

Gotta wait two weeks before can get card back in loop and play some games, currently using a 9200SE Ati pci card!!... just to test card as faulty and not my system seems was just card..

Does trc on ram or whateva going from 22-25 make much difference performence wise??... if not they why dont we all do it or we do just i dont ?

[gOtVoltage]

Just had to make trc 22-25 to get system fully stable @ 3250... so many things not just CPU to consider

I have taken out GPU yesterday to be sent back as it was faulty... i dont expect temps to change much..

Idle 35C... Load 45C

With gpu Idle 35C Load 50C or there abouts

Gotta wait two weeks before can get card back in loop and play some games, currently using a 9200SE Ati pci card!!... just to test card as faulty and not my system seems was just card..

Does trc on ram or whateva going from 22-25 make much difference performence wise??... if not they why dont we all do it or we do just i dont ?

It all depends on what memory you are using ...Middle class or performance meory can benifit from this becuase it allows you to use tigher latency timing at agiven speed...Higher clocks you just loosen the TRC and tighten the memory a hare ..or keep timing the same except for TRC...Example below
5600=3.3ghz with patriot DDR26400elk runs @5-5-5-12 2Tstock performance 4-4-4-12 2T@2.2v......Now at 3.3ghz it was barely stable @4-4-4-6 2Twith Trc@21,,,,by upping it two notches to 23 it runs with out any errors @same Pi score !


The very same memory also runs @ 432=864mhz @4-4-4-6 2T@ 3.48ghz with TRC 23 with no performance loss , but allows the tighter than stock timing ,,,,this memory is rated for 4-4-4-8 2T@533MHZ not 4-4-4-6@1000mhz big differance if ya ask me..So in this screen 5-5-5-12 2t is as low as it can go with TRC set to 21 stock....But 2 23- 25 i can run 4-4-4-6 2T but @432=864mhz ,and yes this is a multiplyer issue with m2n32's ive noticed...The and X2 require more Vcore to keep stable with tight timings!

[LIKMARK]

here is smth i wanna to avoid...
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...&postcount=360
that was 5200+ 89W

do you guis know if this F3 are soldered?
i puzzling with idea of removin, i removed 6ihs's but this one is the best core i have now, dont wanna to ruin it.

Actually, if you take a closer look at the picture you posted, you'll se that it isn't soldered, but it's glued. Quintero tried removing the IHS of his F3 X2 5600+, it was glued, and it died.
He tried the "Intel" way of heating the IHS/core to get the IHS off (like they do when the IHS is soldered on)

@gOtVoltage: I'm not so sure that your trc theory applies for all memory on the F3's, as I've been running 4 4 4 7 trc 11 @1000Mhz with my pc6400 Ballistix @2.1v with no stability issues, (as of now I'm running 4*1gb at 4 4 4 7 11@850MHz @2,0v due to multiplier issues)

[gOtVoltage]

Arnt Balistics D9 chips , arnt they designed to run low TRC and timing? ,,,I was mainly refering to buget or mid line chips that dont clock that high with low TRC not the Top line ones ....Very Good point about the memory controler ...The X2's need help in that department , unless your on chilled water the heat dosnt seem to affect the controler as much with higher Vcore....At least thats what ive seen ... i really like to get around the controler thing ,almost grabed some 10100 but afraid i have same problem with this board and the controler with high memory above 1000mhz..,Still kinda getting use to this board ....the numerouse memory settings will make you crazy if you already arnt ..

Hey when i first got my board it had 903bios which gave me simalar issues,It wouldnt even let me flash it to new bios or change mutis UNTIL i gently took the FLASH PROM OUT AND RESEATED IT,, Check you Bios Prom make shure its seated ...If your board arrived UPS who knows ive seen those things out of the prom clasp from shipping before Now im on 1201 bios and seem pretty stable...Besides using meduim grade memory 900mhz is just fine for about anything when your Cpu is @3.46ghz

[Mad_Man]

Actually, if you take a closer look at the picture you posted, you'll se that it isn't soldered, but it's glued. Quintero tried removing the IHS of his F3 X2 5600+, it was glued, and it died.
He tried the "Intel" way of heating the IHS/core to get the IHS off (like they do when the IHS is soldered on)

@gOtVoltage: I'm not so sure that your trc theory applies for all memory on the F3's, as I've been running 4 4 4 7 trc 11 @1000Mhz with my pc6400 Ballistix @2.1v with no stability issues, (as of now I'm running 4*1gb at 4 4 4 7 11@850MHz @2,0v due to multiplier issues)

hmm, maybe i leave the ihs where it is
thanx for chillin me, otherwise it would end as killed X2

[Mad_Man]

Arnt Balistics D9 chips , arnt they designed to run low TRC and timing? ,,,I was mainly refering to buget or mid line chips that dont clock that high with low TRC not the Top line ones ....Very Good point about the memory controler ...The X2's need help in that department , unless your on chilled water the heat dosnt seem to affect the controler as much with higher Vcore....At least thats what ive seen ... i really like to get around the controler thing ,almost grabed some 10100 but afraid i have same problem with this board and the controler with high memory above 1000mhz..,Still kinda getting use to this board ....the numerouse memory settings will make you crazy if you already arnt ..

Hey when i first got my board it had 903bios which gave me simalar issues,It wouldnt even let me flash it to new bios or change mutis UNTIL i gently took the FLASH PROM OUT AND RESEATED IT,, Check you Bios Prom make shure its seated ...If your board arrived UPS who knows ive seen those things out of the prom clasp from shipping before Now im on 1201 bios and seem pretty stable...Besides using meduim grade memory 900mhz is just fine for about anything when your Cpu is @3.46ghz

talking about bioses... i use 1001 bios. i tried 1201 and it gave me 2GB/s LOWER mem bandwith at same settings...

[Psycho_eddie]

All this TRC stuff, wana get this cleared up abit... to have lower TRC stable is depends on your mobo mem controller only or mem quality is a factor??

My memory id think to be premium:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=MY-082-OC

I went from 12x250 to 13x250 last nite... and didnt last very long in prime... then i upped at same time CPU from 1.4 stock to 1.45V and mem 2.1 to 2.15... should i of done both coz now wont know if was mem or cpu holding back

Aha allmost forgot regarding memory what speed is my memory at atm??

13x250 (3250)
Mem divider @ 800MHZ (highest option)

Nvmonitor says 1000mhz
CPUz says 464x(2)

When running Memtest in dos says 541x(2)

WTF??? so which is it??...

the 12 multi means total cpu / 6 so would mean 3000 = 500 = 1000

But 13 multi makes divier 6 or 7??.... so could be 541 or 464... but which ... seems nvmonitor is completely wrong then

Shed any light?

[gOtVoltage]

All this TRC stuff, wana get this cleared up abit... to have lower TRC stable is depends on your mobo mem controller only or mem quality is a factor??

My memory id think to be premium:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=MY-082-OC

I went from 12x250 to 13x250 last nite... and didnt last very long in prime... then i upped at same time CPU from 1.4 stock to 1.45V and mem 2.1 to 2.15... should i of done both coz now wont know if was mem or cpu holding back

Aha allmost forgot regarding memory what speed is my memory at atm??

13x250 (3250)
Mem divider @ 800MHZ (highest option)

Nvmonitor says 1000mhz
CPUz says 464x(2)

When running Memtest in dos says 541x(2)

WTF??? so which is it??...

the 12 multi means total cpu / 6 so would mean 3000 = 500 = 1000

But 13 multi makes divier 6 or 7??.... so could be 541 or 464... but which ... seems nvmonitor is completely wrong then

Shed any light?

you should be right @929mhz with a /7 controler @13x250....Download CPU-Z and check your timing with it ....

Note: the X2 memory controler likes Vcore above 1.45 when going over 3.3Ghz , it was most likely the CPU Vcore wasnt raised enuff the first time .Make shure your Idle and Load temps are good...30c-36c @idle is decent for up to 1.53Vcore . Good air/water set up a must....Take it slow..



MADMANDont remove the IHS ,If you do anything Give it a normal Lapping or GO EXTREME Sand LAP it with 200grit wet/dry sandpaper to 1 1/2mm or 2/64 of an inch, "its thickness will then be a hair thinner then the board it sits on" ,Dont forget to finish it with 600 and 1200 and 2000 for final finish ...this will cut the temps down by 8c to 10c easy no Lie.

I lapped my First 6000+ IHS to 2/64th of an inch , and Temps stayed @ 23c Idle and 44C load with a thermalright 120 @ 22c Ambiant ..The chip im running right now @ 3.47ghz 6000+ is @ 1.58vcore and 28c as im typing with water after one more week i will super lap it. For these chips i will no longer remove IHS after ruining a 5600+ and seeing no change in temp between thin IHS and No IHS on my other 6000+...One Day ill post a run down with pics of Modded IHS and 6000+ Bare neked Id rather Sand it thin than remove for now on. My Old 6000+ has chipped corner but still runs... this happened after removing waterblock for like 15th time going for better cooling .

Here are two Screens of same 6000+' on same water set up...1st is with no IHS @3.45ghz 1.56vcore...Ambiant room 22c..




2nd is @ 3.45ghz with 1.58vcore , I bummped the Vcore up a notch and IHS ON Ambiant room 22c.....I will be modding Another 6000+ soon to severe IHS thinness



This is why i am leaving IHS on and lapping it very ,very,Extreme very thin, Verse unlidding it...

[TiTON]

Hey Folks,

I am finally back from the long weekend and had time to start benching this 6400 Black Edition again. So first assualt is on Spi1mb.

Here is my results: 21.5s @ 3.9Ghz (Fastest X2 SPi 1MB)



This is still with a dirty XP Install. Going to try to do a fresh install of the OS later today to see if I can shave a little more time off.

The current AMD WR is like 21.21 w/ a FX57@4Ghz. So I need to cut .3 to get the over AMD WR on Spi 1mb on HWBot.

Any help or suggestions would greatly be appreciated.

SAD

[msimax]

maybe if you tighten up the sub timings more, couldnt hurt

[Lightman]

Or get better memory sticks. I'm not saying that those are bad, but D9GMH certainly would be better!

BTW awesome SPi1M time and awesome overclock!!
Congratz SuAsDu!

[TiTON]

Hey.. thanks for the congrats

Ok.. are there any ram right now that can do 500Mhz Cas 3? Please let me know

I thought Cas 4 at almost 500 was good.. but maybe I can do better I tried dropping the Ras to Cas and Ras Precharge to 3, but it won't even run at 480Mhz.

The hard part is that with the DFI, 800Mhz is the biggest divider. They do not have a 1033.

I am actually going to try to drop my Multi, and see if I can push teh ram even faster.

Hopefully that will help shave a little more time off

SAD

[gOtVoltage]

SuAsDuwhats the lowest TRC you can run with 4-4-4-6 ? I finally did some tweaking and have mine down from TRC23 to TRC18@4-4-4-6 ,i will be trying for TRC7- or TRC9 , the M2n32DelUxe is kinda sensitive to my memory,Lol . Also my SP! is only 24@3.45ghz 1.58vcore,

Your X2 6400= Pure Pricelessness @3.9ghz and 21 SPi Keep cranking .

Are you on chilled Water? Im using water and hopefully want to get at least 3.6ghz stable with out chilling it...My stepping isCCB8F-0728GPMW I just barely started cranking on the thing...

[TiTON]

gOtVoltage -

THanks man

As for TRC, the lowest I can select in Bios is 11 I am going to see if I can drop the TRAS a bit lower. There was no instability in the ram at all at those speeds and timing.

I just download Memset to see if I can further tweak the sub timing.

The funniest thing is that I can run 2.36v to the Ram.. but anythign over, and it just doesn't even post. I tried from 2.39 to 2.45, and no boot. This is SOO strange.

As for cooling, I am currently running a single stage phase change.

The chip does bug, but I am able to manage it.

SAD

[LIKMARK]

Awesome results SAD! I'm sure you're gonna take home the sp1m AMD record.
Drop your multiplier and push your ram harder. What board are you running it on?
Try dropping the ddr2 termination voltage, and set vdimm to 2.45. Post a screen of systool/memset. I've found out that on the crosshair board (at least) bios 0702 its for the best running most of the subtimings on auto, but for a few ones: trc, async latency, tref and a couple others. Gives the most bandwidht in memtest 3.3 by far.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Hey Folks,

Here is my results: 21.5s @ 3.9Ghz (Fastest X2 SPi 1MB)

SAD

Congrats buddy........monster cpu you got yourself there, and a very nice OC


Perhaps like you say, try droppin' a multi and pushin the memory further....with a little more vdimm. If no joy there, loosen your timings and try for max frequency on your memory....might just make the difference.

There's always the "Close explorer" or "safe-mode" methods aswell for that extra fraction of a second

[gOtVoltage]

gOtVoltage -

THanks man

As for TRC, the lowest I can select in Bios is 11 I am going to see if I can drop the TRAS a bit lower. There was no instability in the ram at all at those speeds and timing.

I just download Memset to see if I can further tweak the sub timing.

The funniest thing is that I can run 2.36v to the Ram.. but anythign over, and it just doesn't even post. I tried from 2.39 to 2.45, and no boot. This is SOO strange.

As for cooling, I am currently running a single stage phase change.

The chip does bug, but I am able to manage it.

SAD

Hmmm must be an Asus thing with the memory Volts my M2n32Deluxe does the same thing...


LIKMARK is dead on......

My memory would always shut me down when i wanted to up the DDRVolts now i know why why didnt i think of that

[TiTON]

Hey guys.

I will try those ram tweaks and suggestions later this evening. I am going to run memset tonight, but here are teh specs from my systool. Let me know if you see anything obvious I can change for better performance.

As for my mother board, I am using the DFI UT NF590. It is a pretty sweet board

sorry for the size...

[mAJORD]

COngtrats SuASdu, I was starting to wonder where you'd disapeared to!

I'm scheduled to get this chiller running this w/e so i'll see how I go , That's great though, another 100mhz to go and you'll have that SPi WR.. It has to happen!



Have you tried for a max suicide shot again since your latest tweaks?

[TiTON]

Hey mAJORD,

Thanks for the congrats. As for max Suicide shot.. it hasn't changed. Still rebooting just beyond 4 Ghz.. but I was able to drop the vCore a bit

Trust me.. I am trying VERY hard to get the SPi WR.. I am going to do a fresh OS Install tonight and see how things goes. Didn't know trying to cut .3 second could be such a PITA :P

Stay tuned till tomorrow, and lets see what I can pull off

Oh.. anyone have advice on my subtiming.. please advise

SAD

[Flasker]

SuAsDu,

I think your going to have to set 14 x 281, if your ram can do 563. I can do 590+, but I have the 8500 SLI ram.
On my Crosshair I found that setting idle cycle limit to 128 in the BIOS and all drive strengths to the min helped get a lot more MHz. You may have to increase the max async. lat. a step or two.
Hope this helps.

Good Luck

[TiTON]

Flasker,

Thanks for the tips.

From what I recalled, I know I can hit 270Mhz.. I didn't drop my multi lower to see what the wall is. I just did this to verify that the cold bug wasn'it limiting my OC

I will def give the idle cylie limit and increase max async to see what type of improvements i can get.

Can't wait to bench more tonight :P

SAD