K10 Scores starting to surface

[bokis]

I don´t now if this is new info or old so take a look
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/480

[mongoled]

Hmm is English your first language?(not bashing just asking )

Since you can read it for yourself one more time(pay attention to bold and blue) :


I "painted" in blue the important parts to make it more clear

there is a significant difference in performance in all areas (26 seconds in SuperPI 1m for one)

I read this statement as SuperPI 1m being done in 26 seconds. After re-reading it I am still not sure if Gary is speaking abt the a difference of 26 seconds or not.

The statement can be 'read' in both ways, only Gary can tell us exactly what he meant and I am pretty sure this may have been worded they way it was as to not circumvent any 'agreements'

LOL

[Jacky]

I fully trust Gary Key. Long time bencher who has always been credible. Sounds like K10 will be very good chip...


Ply

no not necessarily, the improvement from "B00 chip from May to a B02" is probably due to some important parts being turned of in the B00 (maybe L3 or even L2) - the fact that *some parts were turned off* was already stated somewhere - thus it tells us nothing about the retail barcelona.
and most agree that coolaler's results show a B01 that is going to launch on sept. 10, however we don't know if the results aren't fake.
but don't forget that gary also said this about the results:

Actually, based on the last chip we had, those numbers are in alignment with some of the results we noticed and others as well. I think they will be better than that at release and especially on a consumer board with Vista 64-bit

6 more days until we find out

[Ubermann]

13s at Spi at 2ghz..yeah right =)
Some people need a reality check.

[informal]

Who said it was 12s??? It is said the decrease from B00 to B02 was that..From what we know(nothing to be exact ),B00 could have score in a range of 40 to 50s in Pi 1m

[awdrifter]

There's no way that the SPi time is 13s @ 2ghz. If that's true, AMD would already showed it. The best we can hope for is that the 26s @ 2ghz is true.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

13s at Spi at 2ghz..yeah right =)
Some people need a reality check.

I think you got one comin' in 6days buddy

There's no way that the SPi time is 13s @ 2ghz. If that's true, AMD would already showed it. The best we can hope for is that the 26s @ 2ghz is true.

Why would AMD show it? They've never released any bench-scores early in the past....they're confident in themselves and their abilities and don't need to lure in buyers with leaked benchmarks ahead of time.

[Ubermann]

Only show what your good at, nothing else.
Thats how you get money to your company..

(and fool a few fanboys)

[ScythedBlade]

Smart ass is right ... AMD is a bit fishy ..... it shows specFP ... but not superPi? wtf ...

[hawkeyefan]

Smart ass is right ... AMD is a bit fishy ..... it shows specFP ... but not superPi? wtf ...

Why would a company whose success depends on the server market use SuperPi to lure customers? Nobody gives a crap about SuperPi except overclockers.

[dave_graham]

Why would a company whose success depends on the server market use SuperPi to lure customers? Nobody gives a crap about SuperPi except overclockers.

good point.

cheers,

dave

[akaBruno]

THere's no doubt that Conroe is Superb @ SuperPi.

I just hope that the new K10 can at least come close. Somebody has to keep em all honest.

BRUNO

[ScythedBlade]

Bad point ... why the hell would anyone use specFP? XD

(*poke* why not int as well ...)

GG, AMD Fanboy ...

Why not put a video of every type of benchmark, AMD?

(self proclaims good point .... actually, it has to be, because everyone is wanting all the benchmarks of K10)

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Smart ass is right ... AMD is a bit fishy ..... it shows specFP ... but not superPi? wtf ...

When you run Super Pi (in the version you most use) C2D's score waaaaay faster times but that ain't the only Pi proggy around.

Sys Tools Pi Bench gives a much closer result. SuperPi itself is an INTEL app IMO.

[hawkeyefan]

Both SuperPi and specFP_rate are not representing the real-world performance for server computing. Anyway, a CPU that performs good in SuperPi, also performs good in games.

+1

I can't wait to see the full suite of benchies people will run on Barcelona so I can finally grab a quad, whether AMD or Intel

[Fixxxer]

Then why all Netburst sux in Super Pi, while K8 kicks the crap out of them?

Give a Netburst 6GHz+ and tell me, who craps out who?

[Start]

Be wary of stuff like this..




Clearly the above is fake, just doing it to show you how wary you should be of benchmarks these next couple of days.

[Plywood99]

no not necessarily, the improvement from "B00 chip from May to a B02" is probably due to some important parts being turned of in the B00 (maybe L3 or even L2) - the fact that *some parts were turned off* was already stated somewhere - thus it tells us nothing about the retail barcelona.
and most agree that coolaler's results show a B01 that is going to launch on sept. 10, however we don't know if the results aren't fake.
but don't forget that gary also said this about the results:


6 more days until we find out

My comment was solely dealing with the credibility of Gary Key, nothing else. He was a long time bencher here on XS and was offered a job over at Anand. The man is fully credible.

Personally I don't care if Phenom/Barcelona is a Core2duo destroyer or not, as long as it is decently competitive, and overclocks well. I am plainly a Amd fan but not a fanboy, and will choose their products over Intel's 90% of the time. I'm glad only server chips are out in September, allows time to ramp up the clocks for Phenom. I've stated in posts some time ago that Amd had serious issues with k10 process, and I'm hopeful these will be ironed out for the Phenom launch late 07/early 08...


Ply

[Dresdenboy]

Both SuperPi and specFP_rate are not representing the real-world performance for server computing. Anyway, a CPU that performs good in SuperPi, also performs good in games.

But if this particular CPU also performs good in any other app, then there is no such strong relation Super Pi <-> games, but that this CPU is good at any kind of code.

Super Pi uses x87 code, depends on memory acesses (so a good cache + memory prefetchers will help) and has many loops, where Conroe's macro op fusion helps a lot.

[Donnie27]

My comment was solely dealing with the credibility of Gary Key, nothing else. He was a long time bencher here on XS and was offered a job over at Anand. The man is fully credible.

Personally I don't care if Phenom/Barcelona is a Core2duo destroyer or not, as long as it is decently competitive, and overclocks well. I am plainly a Amd fan but not a fanboy, and will choose their products over Intel's 90% of the time. I'm glad only server chips are out in September, allows time to ramp up the clocks for Phenom. I've stated in posts some time ago that Amd had serious issues with k10 process, and I'm hopeful these will be ironed out for the Phenom launch late 07/early 08...


Ply

QFT! How else can we solve all of the my Speculation is better than your Speculation crap? 5 more days, phew.

[doompc]

[biohead]

if 13s @ 2.0 ghz is true (doubt it, hope so though), i'd rather see 2M/4M to be the norm. 1M would be the new 128k. click done.

[dave_graham]

no not necessarily, the improvement from "B00 chip from May to a B02" is probably due to some important parts being turned of in the B00 (maybe L3 or even L2) - the fact that *some parts were turned off* was already stated somewhere - thus it tells us nothing about the retail barcelona.
and most agree that coolaler's results show a B01 that is going to launch on sept. 10, however we don't know if the results aren't fake.
but don't forget that gary also said this about the results:


6 more days until we find out

B1 will not be the launch core so coolater's results are invalid.

dave

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

if 13s @ 2.0 ghz is true (doubt it, hope so though), i'd rather see 2M/4M to be the norm. 1M would be the new 128k. click done.

Have faith mate......13s will be slow for these babies

[dave_graham]

B1 has the CPU_ID registers with full CPU name and model and without the "Engineering Sample" or "ES" strings. Are you sure B1 is not the launch stepping?

yes. quite sure. the launch stepping is different and will have a different nom de guerre. Can't disclose the exact stepping version due to NDA restrictions but it's not B1.

cheers,

dave