First Full review of DFI LanParty UT P35-T2R!

[cantankerous]

I need to know for a fact guys if the ram slots and graphics slot are going to be a problem for each other primarily if a ram fan is going to be used. I was planning on getting the Corsair Dominator Airflow fan to blow over my dimms and I will be using an 8800 Ultra on this board. Is the long 8800 going to interfere with the ram slots if the Corsair cooler is installed or will I be good to go? I would hate to order all this stuff just to find out it won't work or I have a high risk of shorting something.

[OBR]

OBR,I'm sure that on your next tests some 600 MHz is reachable...
See here.
And try to make your review in English(at least your conclusions-Vyhody+Nevyhody ),it's very tricky to translate it from Czech.
Best Regards.

On our new web, we will have Czech/English review together ...
Now i am at 610MHz FSB!

[mibo]

Thank you OBR for the test.

Maybe I missed that but did you test for max fsb on all boards with the same cpu? (because every cpu has its own fsb wall)

For your future reviews I would like to see tests like SuperPi (for integer performance) and Cinebench9.5/10.0 (floating point performance).

Performance wise I'm not impressed by the DFI board.

[OBR]

Yes i tested every board with the same E6600, only last DFI with E6850 ... but i think no CPU FSB wall exists ...

[cantankerous]

I need to know for a fact guys if the ram slots and graphics slot are going to be a problem for each other primarily if a ram fan is going to be used. I was planning on getting the Corsair Dominator Airflow fan to blow over my dimms and I will be using an 8800 Ultra on this board. Is the long 8800 going to interfere with the ram slots if the Corsair cooler is installed or will I be good to go? I would hate to order all this stuff just to find out it won't work or I have a high risk of shorting something.

To add to this, does it look as if an Ultra-120 Extreme will install ok on this board with the Dominator fan over the dimms? Some of these pics look awfully cluttered in that area making me seriously wonder. I was planning on using 38mm San Ace fans on the Extreme too. I wish more pics from different angles could be used to determine clearance issues. Thanks for the intital write up however OBR.

[shimmishim]

Yes i tested every board with the same E6600, only last DFI with E6850 ... but i think no CPU FSB wall exists ...

CPU fsb wall exists.

i've tested many chips and many different boards.

two chips will do different fsb's on same board with exact same settings and hardware.

it would be interesting if you could stick that E6600 you used for other reviews into this board.

edit: unless you were trying to say there's no fsb on your 6850.

[K404]

To clarify 100%.....a chip in the Giga DS4 did 510FSB but the same chip in the DFI did 585FSB+ ?

In your opinion do you think it was down to the board design, or the voltage control the DFI has?

[breakfromyou]

So when is the release date?

I want one.

[shimmishim]

So when is the release date?

I want one.

they've been available for a little bit now (since Wednesday of last week i think?) from motherboardpro.com

check them out. the CS rep told me they should receive more on Wednesday.

[OBR]

Ive tested LOT of cpus and mobos (now i have at home E6600, E6850, E6850 ES, QX6700, X3210, Q6600 ad 5 various mobos) and no one from these has a FSB wall! This si an myth! Every from this chip can work at 600x6, or for example 400x9 ...

I agreed, chips has max frequency wall it is clear, but FSB wall do not exists ... if you are thought you reached FSB wall on some CPU try it on another Mobo, and you will se no more FSB walls ...

For example my Q6600 can reach only 3.2GHz (at any FSB + multi) on 6 various mobos, but when i put it to EVGA A1, it is fully stable at 3.6GHz! It depends on mobo and cpu, no on FSB wall ...

[Eldonko]

For example ... DFI ATI RD600..., Giga P35T-DQ6 + DS4, MSI P35-Platinum,

Yeah that's correct. I run my GPU in slot 2 because its so annoying removing it every 5 minutes when I change mem.

[DilTech]

Title Fixed.

[Raja@ASUS]

didn't realise that lol

guess i never really paid too much attention at that board as i had no interest in it........

this is just a pain in the arse problem but one we will all live with nonetheless if the performance is there of course heheheheheh

I have several boards here laid out the same. Easy way to remove ram?

Roll back the top retention clip, then roll the ram out from top to bottom, the lower clip will roll back quite easily and you can remove the stick. Replacing is simple, roll the lower end in first, once aligned apply steady pressure to both ends of the stick and voila. No need to remove the long graphics card... Works for me every time, I never have to remove a 8800 from the top slot...



regards
Raja

[Johnny Bravo]

Ive tested LOT of cpus and mobos (now i have at home E6600, E6850, E6850 ES, QX6700, X3210, Q6600 ad 5 various mobos) and no one from these has a FSB wall! This si an myth! Every from this chip can work at 600x6, or for example 400x9 ...

I agreed, chips has max frequency wall it is clear, but FSB wall do not exists ... if you are thought you reached FSB wall on some CPU try it on another Mobo, and you will se no more FSB walls ...

For example my Q6600 can reach only 3.2GHz (at any FSB + multi) on 6 various mobos, but when i put it to EVGA A1, it is fully stable at 3.6GHz! It depends on mobo and cpu, no on FSB wall ...

While I agree with your comments on a motherboard limiting the maximum operating speed of a cpu (your example being 3.2GHz -> 3.6GHz) I have witnessed cpu's that have a limit to the speed that their FSB can go no matter what board.

I wonder however are we arguing there same thing here? I am stating that the cpu itself has a limit to how far it's FSB can be pushed, for instance I have tested a x6800 that will stop hard at 510 on a 680i, 2 different P965 board and a P35 board. Other cpu's I've tested have had similar limits cross platform give or take 5-7Mhz.

I have not be inferring that the FSB limit is to do with the motherboard, but rather the cpu itself, and, in relation to the graph I quoted, it is important that the same cpu be used to give an indication of what the boards are capable of.

[shimmishim]

While I agree with your comments on a motherboard limiting the maximum operating speed of a cpu (your example being 3.2GHz -> 3.6GHz) I have witnessed cpu's that have a limit to the speed that their FSB can go no matter what board.

I wonder however are we arguing there same thing here? I am stating that the cpu itself has a limit to how far it's FSB can be pushed, for instance I have tested a x6800 that will stop hard at 510 on a 680i, 2 different P965 board and a P35 board. Other cpu's I've tested have had similar limits cross platform give or take 5-7Mhz.

I have not be inferring that the FSB limit is to do with the motherboard, but rather the cpu itself, and, in relation to the graph I quoted, it is important that the same cpu be used to give an indication of what the boards are capable of.

I agree with you Johnny.

However, it appears OBR is stating that CPU's do not have a FSB wall. Therefore, the chip used does not matter.

I.E. if he used chip A to do reviews for the striker and gigabyte, he can use chip B to do his review of the DFI P35 and they should produce the same results.... meaning FSB limitation will be the result of the board and independent of the chip.

My gut instinct tells me I can take 4 chips in the same board and they will all hit a different FSB. I've tried 2 chips before and they hit different FSB's. but again, according to OBR, it's my board that's limiting two different chips to two different FSB walls

[K404]

each CPU has a different FSB wall. Ive had 4...5? E66 and an E67 and they all performed to different FSB, even on the same mobo, and some hit the same FSB ceiling on different mobos. (ie..the chips that I tried on more than 1 mobo)

Johnny and myself have discussed this on a number of occasions. the mobo plays its part, but is absolutely not the only factor

Im fairly certain im not wrong- if FSB is all about the mobo, why does the FSB ceiling increase when you freeze a chip?

I know the DFI will be a good board, but based on your FSB results, I think you used different chips, making the tests skewed...possibly coming across as biased?

[shimmishim]

each CPU has a different FSB wall. Ive had 4...5? E66 and an E67 and they all performed to different FSB.

Im fairly certain im not wrong- if FSB is all about the mobo, why does the FSB ceiling increase when you freeze a chip?

I know the DFI will be a good baord, but based on your FSB results, I think you used different chips, making the tests skewed...possibly coming across as biased?

Agreed on the cold comment. My E6600 which walls around 510 will get up to 540 on a single stage.

@OBR: also, you claim your chips can do 6x600... i'd like to see your QX6700 or X3210 at 6x600. i don't think i've ever seen a quadcore at this FSB before!

[K404]

also, you claim your chips can do 6x600... i'd like to see your QX6700 or X3210 at 6x600. i don't think i've ever seen a quadcore at this FSB before!

Did I claim that? certainly didnt mean to- iv never owned a quad*. Also never hit 600FSB- not been above 510 IIRC.



*donations gratefully accepted

[shimmishim]

Did I claim that? certainly didnt mean to- iv never owned a quad*. Also never hit 600FSB- not been above 510 IIRC.



*donations gratefully accepted

sorry my comment was directed towards OBR (see up at his post where he claims his chip can do this)

[NightCrawler™]

The mobo looks very interesting tech/perf wise... but wth were they thinking with that cooling solution...??

[Raja@ASUS]

each CPU has a different FSB wall. Ive had 4...5? E66 and an E67 and they all performed to different FSB, even on the same mobo, and some hit the same FSB ceiling on different mobos. (ie..the chips that I tried on more than 1 mobo)

Johnny and myself have discussed this on a number of occasions. the mobo plays its part, but is absolutely not the only factor

Im fairly certain im not wrong- if FSB is all about the mobo, why does the FSB ceiling increase when you freeze a chip?

I know the DFI will be a good board, but based on your FSB results, I think you used different chips, making the tests skewed...possibly coming across as biased?

Yes you are right about sub zero effects,
sub zero on the board makes it easier for the pwm supply to the cpu, due to decreased trace resistance/hf inductance (lower impedance at hf), giving the processor potential for increased stability under load and higher fsb.


also nb to drive voltage to and receive signal from the processor due to the decreased inductance the voltage amplification and i/v conversion (if there is any) will see, so yes it's part cpu running cold and part motherboard capabilities, as thermal drift and trace layout on the motherboard side to and from the nb will also effect total fsb potential between motherboard brands - based upon the engineer's implementation and component tolerance choices.


regards
Raja

[dinos22]

I take it the same cpu has been used in these FSB tests? Otherwise it's a bit of a red herring to the capability of the boards...

yeah man you'd hope so hey lol

but it seems not

Ive tested LOT of cpus and mobos (now i have at home E6600, E6850, E6850 ES, QX6700, X3210, Q6600 ad 5 various mobos) and no one from these has a FSB wall! This si an myth! Every from this chip can work at 600x6, or for example 400x9 ...

I agreed, chips has max frequency wall it is clear, but FSB wall do not exists ... if you are thought you reached FSB wall on some CPU try it on another Mobo, and you will se no more FSB walls ...

For example my Q6600 can reach only 3.2GHz (at any FSB + multi) on 6 various mobos, but when i put it to EVGA A1, it is fully stable at 3.6GHz! It depends on mobo and cpu, no on FSB wall ...

i strongly disagree with you here man. I have tested loads of CPUs and there certainly is a FSB wall on CPUs

it is very misleading to post a graph such as that with different CPUs tested;. >> a graph like that has to have ALL OTHER COMPONENTS AND TESTING CONDITIONS EQUAL........i understand that there maybe slight variations in ambient conditions which is acceptable unless the variations are large otherwise your results mean nothing

[adamsleath]

was the 585 fsb achieved with stock mobo cooling?
im supposing it was.
regardless of cpu's used. i get the impression that this board can effortlessly do fsb speeds exceeding 500 assuming your cpu is capable/not fsb walled.

speaking as an average nob who doesnt have cherry picked stuff

i spose ill never know whether my old 6700 was fsb limited or the striker board cos both are gorn now...470FSB fer me....i always thought it was the mobo - still do.

and anyway the cpu walls seem to be with the cheapy chips like 4400's/2160's???? is the e4500 released with a higher multi cos its fsb walled ???
still curious to see x38 fsbs

[Flambo]

I need to know for a fact guys if the ram slots and graphics slot are going to be a problem for each other primarily if a ram fan is going to be used. I was planning on getting the Corsair Dominator Airflow fan to blow over my dimms and I will be using an 8800 Ultra on this board. Is the long 8800 going to interfere with the ram slots if the Corsair cooler is installed or will I be good to go? I would hate to order all this stuff just to find out it won't work or I have a high risk of shorting something.

Actually I don't really like Corsair Dominator Airflow fans too much as they don't really push that much air and high speed small fans = noisy. I prefer to use something like Antec Flexfan or a rigged up quiet case fan to cool RAM slots.

[xlink]

I love how everyone is complaining of the PCI-e slot location bent cards etc.

just move the card one slot over... there are three slots...