Thermaltake Bigwater 735 + Q6600.

[geeknik]

Hi all, new poster here as you can see. I don't have a new G0 stepping Q6600, I have an old 65nm one.. Anyways, I have it overclocked from 2.4 to 2.8ghz @ 1.325v. It's cooled with a Thermaltake Bigwater 735. Needless to say, I'm not impressed and will be ordering some parts from Swiftech in the coming days. At 100% load, TAT is showing CPU0 @ 57C and CPU1 @ 54C. That's pretty much the same temps I was seeing with an Arctic Freezer Pro HSF. Maybe if I had waited 3 or 4 months for the G0 stepping, I'd see lower temperatures with this setup.

[Baleful]

Your first problem is the brand. Stay far FAR away from TT, especially for liquid cooling. To be blunt, their watercooling products are complete crap. They don't cool worth a crap (as you've seen) and are very prone to leaking, corroding, and pretty much just everything you don't want with a watercooling setup.

[geeknik]

Yup. I've noticed that. As soon as the parts from Swiftech arrive, I'll be taking this POS back to where it came from.

I have an Antech P180 case, and upon the advice of Eric @ Swiftech, the parts I'm getting are:

MCRES-MICRO Reservoir, Apogee(tm) GT CPU water block, MCP350(tm) 12 VDC Pump, MCR-220 "Quiet Power" series Radiator, MCB-120(tm)Revision 2 "Radbox" radiator/fan housing, 1 set of 3/8" fittings for the radiator, 2 x 120x25mm RDM1225S fans, 1 package of 3/8" clamps, 1 roll of 3/8" tubing, and 1 bottle of HydrX Coolant.

I can't wait for it all to get here.

[DarthBeavis]

Good luck bud!!!

[[XC] leviathan18]

you started in the wrong side of WC.... TT is crap they blocks breaks they leak and pumps die... good move buying swiftech

[justin_c]

uninstall it now, put air back in for the meantime. what have you ordered?

[teyber]

Your first problem is the brand. Stay far FAR away from TT, especially for liquid cooling. To be blunt, their watercooling products are complete crap. They don't cool worth a crap (as you've seen) and are very prone to leaking, corroding, and pretty much just everything you don't want with a watercooling setup.

funny that you have koolance ftw in your sig

The thing with TT is that it isn't just bad for temps, it will ruin every component in your system if it leaks, and thats too often

[Looker]

Your first problem is the brand. Stay far FAR away from TT, especially for liquid cooling. To be blunt, their watercooling products are complete crap. They don't cool worth a crap (as you've seen) and are very prone to leaking, corroding, and pretty much just everything you don't want with a watercooling setup.

I have to disagree, TT for the cost is not THAT bad, but I think peoples expectations of it are a little lofty. This is for a couple of reasons:

1.) The TT Bigwater was NEVER designed to cool a 4 core setup. It is designed to cool a single core or early dual core.

2.) For the price ~$110 it does what it's designed NOTHING more, bottom line you got what you paid for.


I happen to have one of the TT kits on a P4 D830 (3.0GHz), running @ 3.6GHz and I idle ~38 degrees C and under full load ~44 degree's. This for $110 is NOT bad. However for a quad/4 core processor I would NEVER use it as it's just not designed to dissipate that much heat.

On another note I plan on replacing it with all custom parts but my custom setup will be ~$250 to accomodate a C2D or C2Q...

[Grafton]

i had better temps on my old p4 prescott skt 478 stock 3.2 oc'd to 3.6 and with a cooler master hyper 48 I had better temps ~30-32C idle and ~40-42C load

[Baleful]

funny that you have koolance ftw in your sig
:

/sarcasim

I have to disagree, TT for the cost is not THAT bad, but I think peoples expectations of it are a little lofty.

And what is your definition of "not THAT bad"? These things have been reported to leak and spew liquid every where numerous times. Some people (like yourself) have had TT kits that last forever, others have had them go out in a matter of weeks, spewing liquid all over their systems, ruining them. Which of my expectations are lofty? That I want a system that isn't prone to leakage, or galvanic corrosion, or cracking, or bad temps?

[NaeKuh]

I have to disagree, TT for the cost is not THAT bad, but I think peoples expectations of it are a little lofty. This is for a couple of reasons:

1.) The TT Bigwater was NEVER designed to cool a 4 core setup. It is designed to cool a single core or early dual core.

2.) For the price ~$110 it does what it's designed NOTHING more, bottom line you got what you paid for.


I happen to have one of the TT kits on a P4 D830 (3.0GHz), running @ 3.6GHz and I idle ~38 degrees C and under full load ~44 degree's. This for $110 is NOT bad. However for a quad/4 core processor I would NEVER use it as it's just not designed to dissipate that much heat.

On another note I plan on replacing it with all custom parts but my custom setup will be ~$250 to accomodate a C2D or C2Q...

okey.... and here i come with a lapped ultra120extreme, spanking your big water kit.

Ultra120extreme 60 dollars. vs your big water 110 dollars.

One uses air, the other is a waterkit.


Ultra120 FTW!



Dont go recomending crap kits on this forum. You'll get flamed hardcore. :T


Its just an advice seeing how you dont have many posts here. We are very brutal against people who recomend crap kits to people.

[geeknik]

uninstall it now, put air back in for the meantime. what have you ordered?

I have an Antech P180 case, and upon the advice of Eric @ Swiftech, the parts I'm getting are:

MCRES-MICRO Reservoir, Apogee(tm) GT CPU water block, MCP350(tm) 12 VDC Pump, MCR-220 "Quiet Power" series Radiator, MCB-120(tm)Revision 2 "Radbox" radiator/fan housing, 1 set of 3/8" fittings for the radiator, 2 x 120x25mm RDM1225S fans, 1 package of 3/8" clamps, 1 roll of 3/8" tubing, and 1 bottle of HydrX Coolant.

[IanY]

geenik,

Glad you linked up with OPPainter/Eric

You will be happy with Swiftech

[Looker]

And what is your definition of "not THAT bad"? These things have been reported to leak and spew liquid every where numerous times. Some people (like yourself) have had TT kits that last forever, others have had them go out in a matter of weeks, spewing liquid all over their systems, ruining them. Which of my expectations are lofty? That I want a system that isn't prone to leakage, or galvanic corrosion, or cracking, or bad temps?

Mine has been "stable" if you will for ~12 months I have flushed it 3 times. I have had no leaks, or any kind of catastrophic failures. This doesn't make it a "great" kit it makes it a kit that does what it's supposed to, it cools slightly better than an average air kit. I have had no corrosion, and I believe my rad is aluminum with copper tubing and a copper block so I would be prone to it but I do use an additive designed for autos that use both copper and aluminum so that might have somehting to do with it. I think using a cheap $110 kit on a easily $300-$400 processor is foolish at best. Logically if you are going to spend the money on that kind of processor do the research and cool it with likewise cooling components. Air or water doesn't really matter. However YMMV obviously.

okey.... and here i come with a lapped ultra120extreme, spanking your big water kit.
Ultra120extreme 60 dollars. vs your big water 110 dollars.
One uses air, the other is a waterkit.

Ultra120 FTW!

Ok your e-penis is HUGE guy! CONGRATS! Actually if you really wanted to compare temps etc, you might want to mention what processor your using so one can compare apples to apples, since the P4 D8xx series run VERY hot in comparison to all others as I recall. If you are running a 9xx series you are likely to be running cooler anyways. Core 2's are a totally different ball game as well.

Dont go recomending crap kits on this forum. You'll get flamed hardcore. :T

Its just an advice seeing how you dont have many posts here. We are very brutal against people who recomend crap kits to people.

Oh? Where was my "recommendation"? I didn't recommend ANYTHING I merely stated that MY experience has been that the aforementioned kit does what it's advertised to do and nothing more, and furthermore if someone is going to spend the extra $$$ to go to quad they should apply the same logic to the rest of their system and not buy a cheap W/C kit... Which is exactly what the TT kits are.

Secondly just because I don't spend my whole day posting on this forum doesn't make my opinion or experience any less valid, Not to mention I don't waste my time posting up crap to up my post count. Truth be told I have been here longer than you. So I don't need some lame attempt at a newb speech from someone who has barely been here 6 months... Cool that with your ultra120...

[geeknik]

Ok, I have all of my Swiftech parts up and running. CPU is running @ 3.0ghz (1.35v) and it's CPU0: 60C / CPU1: 56C. I guess that's good? Or can it be better?

[Grinch]

what TIM are you using?

lapping the IHS will also help lower your temps..

[geeknik]

what TIM are you using?

lapping the IHS will also help lower your temps..

I'm using the generic thermal paste that came with the water block. And I will do some research on lapping and look into doing that.

[Grinch]

I'm using the generic thermal paste that came with the water block. And I will do some research on lapping and look into doing that.

might want to try some better TIM... and do some reading on lapping IHS...

[tiro_uspsss]

Mine has been "stable" if you will for ~12 months I have flushed it 3 times. I have had no leaks, or any kind of catastrophic failures. This doesn't make it a "great" kit it makes it a kit that does what it's supposed to, it cools slightly better than an average air kit. I have had no corrosion, and I believe my rad is aluminum with copper tubing and a copper block so I would be prone to it but I do use an additive designed for autos that use both copper and aluminum so that might have somehting to do with it. I think using a cheap $110 kit on a easily $300-$400 processor is foolish at best. Logically if you are going to spend the money on that kind of processor do the research and cool it with likewise cooling components. Air or water doesn't really matter. However YMMV obviously.



Ok your e-penis is HUGE guy! CONGRATS! Actually if you really wanted to compare temps etc, you might want to mention what processor your using so one can compare apples to apples, since the P4 D8xx series run VERY hot in comparison to all others as I recall. If you are running a 9xx series you are likely to be running cooler anyways. Core 2's are a totally different ball game as well.




Oh? Where was my "recommendation"? I didn't recommend ANYTHING I merely stated that MY experience has been that the aforementioned kit does what it's advertised to do and nothing more, and furthermore if someone is going to spend the extra $$$ to go to quad they should apply the same logic to the rest of their system and not buy a cheap W/C kit... Which is exactly what the TT kits are.

Secondly just because I don't spend my whole day posting on this forum doesn't make my opinion or experience any less valid, Not to mention I don't waste my time posting up crap to up my post count. Truth be told I have been here longer than you. So I don't need some lame attempt at a newb speech from someone who has barely been here 6 months... Cool that with your ultra120...

[geeknik]

I'm heading to the hardware store as soon as the kids eat breakfast. And I've got some AS5 in a drawer, so I'll use that as soon as I'm done lapping the CPU. Thanks for the advice guys.

[geeknik]

Ok. Lapping is done. AS5 is applied. CPU0 is floating between 52C and 54C and CPU1 is steady at 48C.

[santiagodraco]

Ok. Lapping is done. AS5 is applied. CPU0 is floating between 52C and 54C and CPU1 is steady at 48C.

That sounds more like it (at least better than before!). You should have a better ceiling for overclocking now as well. 3.0 is really somewhat low for that CPU. And your core voltage is also low (which keeps temps lower).

What is your room ambient temperature? And what Swiftech parts did you receive/install? I'm assuming a single loop with CPU only?

[NaeKuh]

Mine has been "stable" if you will for ~12 months I have flushed it 3 times. I have had no leaks, or any kind of catastrophic failures. This doesn't make it a "great" kit it makes it a kit that does what it's supposed to, it cools slightly better than an average air kit. I have had no corrosion, and I believe my rad is aluminum with copper tubing and a copper block so I would be prone to it but I do use an additive designed for autos that use both copper and aluminum so that might have somehting to do with it. I think using a cheap $110 kit on a easily $300-$400 processor is foolish at best. Logically if you are going to spend the money on that kind of processor do the research and cool it with likewise cooling components. Air or water doesn't really matter. However YMMV obviously.



Ok your e-penis is HUGE guy! CONGRATS! Actually if you really wanted to compare temps etc, you might want to mention what processor your using so one can compare apples to apples, since the P4 D8xx series run VERY hot in comparison to all others as I recall. If you are running a 9xx series you are likely to be running cooler anyways. Core 2's are a totally different ball game as well.




Oh? Where was my "recommendation"? I didn't recommend ANYTHING I merely stated that MY experience has been that the aforementioned kit does what it's advertised to do and nothing more, and furthermore if someone is going to spend the extra $$$ to go to quad they should apply the same logic to the rest of their system and not buy a cheap W/C kit... Which is exactly what the TT kits are.

Secondly just because I don't spend my whole day posting on this forum doesn't make my opinion or experience any less valid, Not to mention I don't waste my time posting up crap to up my post count. Truth be told I have been here longer than you. So I don't need some lame attempt at a newb speech from someone who has barely been here 6 months... Cool that with your ultra120...

1. its a known FACT an ultra120extreme will keep up if not beat the bigwater kit. That kit uses WAY too many primitive designs to keep pace with high performance AIR Heat pipes.

2. The reason why i started an account on this forum was to participate in a APOGEE GTX thread. Ive been lurking here since my Anandtech Days, And they even posted a Sticky of mine on watercooling in case and cooling.

3. While your tinking with your bigwater kit, i was tinkering with these:


4. im sorry, my epenis is much too big to be cooled with a Ultra120 Extreme. Bring on the dual stage cascades, and maybe you got a chance.


Sorry for the hijack, i had to say my peace. But i was goign to tell the OP, idle temps dont test the capacity of the h2o kit. You need to load the cores up and see what the temps are there. If possible get coolant temperature, and ambient temps of outside. So no one can really tell you if your watersetup is performing great or not, without those info.

At the very least, we would need ambient, + cpu load temps @ what voltage your running them on. Then we might give you a ball park answer.

[elfy]

/sarcasim




And what is your definition of "not THAT bad"? These things have been reported to leak and spew liquid every where numerous times. Some people (like yourself) have had TT kits that last forever, others have had them go out in a matter of weeks, spewing liquid all over their systems, ruining them. Which of my expectations are lofty? That I want a system that isn't prone to leakage, or galvanic corrosion, or cracking, or bad temps?

heh i must be one of the lucky ones, over a year now keeping things frosty

[Frank M]

Ok. Lapping is done. AS5 is applied. CPU0 is floating between 52C and 54C and CPU1 is steady at 48C.

Rad placement, fan airflow direction also has an impact on temps.
Make sure you have the fans pulling fresh air through the rad.