Official Desktop Penryn Discussion Thread

[Donnie27]

So you would even kill the sales of your just-marked-down products? Hmmm...

Not me, but I'm not them. Intel is at the point of making less money, 1.6 to 1.8 Billion a Quarter compared to 2.2 to 2.4 Billion. They are not like AMD, who is not only in the Red, but the red ink is growing. Either way, Intel is still turning a profit. It's like saying, the good news; I punched some jerk up-side the head and knocked him out(more sales while taking more market share). The bad news; But I also hurt my hand on his hard assed head (lower ASP). Now, isn't that better than having him knock you out?

[Blauhung]

I've read that months ago.

Since Nehalem hasn't even taped out , I would take the usual spoon of salt with the Inq article.

The FSB is simply out of breathing room and I doubt Intel will use a CSI link as a FSB , simply doesn't sound rigth.

Also keep in mind that just because it hasn't taped out for the HVM/development factories, doesn't mean that the pathfinding groups in the small volume labs do not have test reticles yet.

[Donnie27]

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1...9286539,00.htm

"We view [Nehalem] as the first dynamically scalable microarchitecture," Gelsinger said. What he means by that is that Intel chip designers will be able to pick and choose from a wide variety of ingredients to build chips for different types of computers, from powerful servers to small notebooks.

Chips based on Nehalem will have between one and eight cores, and will be capable of handling two independent software threads per core. Hyperthreading, Intel's name for the concept, allows a processor to execute two different code streams at pretty much the same time. This was a feature found in Intel's single-core Pentium 4 processors but largely discontinued with the advent of multicore chips. Note; Also found on certain XE models

Intel also plans to build chips with "point-to-point" links that directly connect processor cores with their neighbours, and install a fast link between the processor and memory with integrated memory controllers, Gelsinger said. Those were two design philosophies used by AMD to break into the server market with its Opteron chip in 2003. Intel has thus far disdained those approaches.

Last things first, the writer's view is thrown in and has nothing do with the news report or interview.

I might be missing it but I thought CSI is a Common Serial Interconnect or Common Scalable Interface. This replaces the FSB and Interconnections for Point to Point for everything but DMI--->Direct Media Interface To meet the device-to-memory bandwidth requirements of PCIe, SATA, USB 2.0, Intel HD Audio and others, a proprietary serial interface, based on PCIe, was developed, the DMI link. This link connects the ICH6-M and the GMCH. It offers 2 GB/s maximum bandwidth compared to 266 MB/available with the ICH4-M hub interface. The DMI integrates priority-based servicing to allow concurrent traffic and isochronous data transfer capabilities for Intel HD Audio.

Note; DMI is also called Direct Memory Interface.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1...2081306,00.htm

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/03/index.html

Initial disclosures about the Nehalem revealed that some of the processors will have eight cores and should, of course, beat its predecessor's specs. More than 15 45-nm designs will be on offer (remember when the choices only comprised the Pentium and Celeron for the desktop and laptop?).

So, it would be foolish for any of us to pretend we know which of those processors will ship with integrated anything, be they Graphics or Memory controllers. Like Timna, there are bound to be Mini Mac models that are fully integrated and Celeron models with nothing. IMHO, there might be as many as 24 models once integration or the amount there of is figured in.

Sorry for the long assed post!

[Origin_Unknown]

I'm guessing im right but 1333mhz cpu's = peryn?

[Shintai]

I'm guessing im right but 1333mhz cpu's = peryn?

The 6x50 series? No.

Penryn will be 1066/1333/1600. Current 65nm is 800/1066/1333

[Origin_Unknown]

The 6x50 series? No.

Penryn will be 1066/1333/1600. Current 65nm is 800/1066/1333

hrm, abit just added 1333mhz cpu support to my ab9 pro so i wonder which it is. only says 1333.

[Shintai]

hrm, abit just added 1333mhz cpu support to my ab9 pro so i wonder which it is. only says 1333.

Because of these 1333FSB 65nm chips that officially launches at the july 22 pricecut.

[Donnie27]

Because of these 1333FSB 65nm chips that officially launches at the july 22 pricecut.

Yup, it seems a lot of folks are forgetting the 1333MHz FSB Conroes. If that's the only difference I'd just as soon stick with the 1066 and its slightly higher multiplier for overclocking.

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

Yup, it seems a lot of folks are forgetting the 1333MHz FSB Conroes. If that's the only difference I'd just as soon stick with the 1066 and its slightly higher multiplier for overclocking.

I'm with you. Geez-o-pete those quads look tastey.

Ryan

[Donnie27]

I'm with you. Geez-o-pete those quads look tastey.

Ryan

Tweaked mature processes have always been good for many of us in this OC/DIYer segment.

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http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=5116
150W (3GHz) and 120W (2.666GHz) go to 3.16GHz/120W/45nm.
80W quad go from 2.33GHz@65nm to 3GHz@45nm.
50W quad go from 1.86GHz@65nm to 2.66GHz@45nm.

65W dual goes from 2.66GHz@65nm to 3.33GHz@45nm
40W dual goes from 2.33GHz@65nm to 3.16GHz@45nm.

[Shintai]

The 50W 2.66Ghz Quad looks very nice. I wish Intel would make these for the 3000 series too. Or maybe desktop aswell.

My goal is to be under the 65W today in my next build. I could settle for a 3.16Ghz dualcore too at 40W.

I also dont see any reason for them not being able to make a 3.16Ghz 80W quad using LV chips.

[Movieman]

Slightly OT but I keep hearing rumors of a 120W 3330/12mb/1600 Harpertown.
That would be pretty close to the numbers I see here for TDP decreases.
My Clovers at 3157 draw 144W with 1.35V(coretemp) 1.3v reported in BIOS.

The 50W 2.66Ghz Quad looks very nice. I wish Intel would make these for the 3000 series too. Or maybe desktop aswell.

My goal is to be under the 65W today in my next build. I could settle for a 3.16Ghz dualcore too at 40W.

I also dont see any reason for them not being able to make a 3.16Ghz 80W quad using LV chips.

Agreed, 50W at 2660 would make a hell of a combo.
Electrical cost has now become a big factor and my little end of this hobby is the DC work.
An 8 core clover at over 3000mhz costs me close to $90.00 a month to run.
A constant 450W draw thru the wall to feed it.
I'm doing a system now to try and offset some of that.
A dual sossaman(yonah) with 31w cpu's.
This was sort of lost as the C2D's appeared very shortly after it's launch but will be interesting to see output versus elec cost.

[red]

Slightly OT but I keep hearing rumors of a 120W 3330/12mb/1600 Harpertown.
That would be pretty close to the numbers I see here for TDP decreases.

Can you spill more like you did about the WCG K10 anomaly? Yep, the 1600FSB part is missing officially but like the X5365 and Apple, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. BTW, How would 3.3GHz+1600FSB work? 400*8=3200, 400*8.5=3400. A 3.2GHz/1600FSB would fit right on top of the 3.16GHz/1333FSB.

[Shintai]

Can you spill more like you did about the WCG K10 anomaly? Yep, the 1600FSB part is missing officially but like the X5365 and Apple, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. BTW, How would 3.3GHz+1600FSB work? 400*8=3200, 400*8.5=3400. A 3.2GHz/1600FSB would fit right on top of the 3.16GHz/1333FSB.

We have no problems getting 3Ghz Quads from Dell. You just have to ask for them.

[Donnie27]

Can you spill more like you did about the WCG K10 anomaly? Yep, the 1600FSB part is missing officially but like the X5365 and Apple, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. BTW, How would 3.3GHz+1600FSB work? 400*8=3200, 400*8.5=3400. A 3.2GHz/1600FSB would fit right on top of the 3.16GHz/1333FSB.

Yelp, those are 400MHz FSB parts. I even heard talk of Intel moving back to .5 on their multiplers.

[Movieman]

Can you spill more like you did about the WCG K10 anomaly? Yep, the 1600FSB part is missing officially but like the X5365 and Apple, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. BTW, How would 3.3GHz+1600FSB work? 400*8=3200, 400*8.5=3400. A 3.2GHz/1600FSB would fit right on top of the 3.16GHz/1333FSB.

I'm in the same boat as you on this. I did the math and it doesn't make a lot of sense. 3330 divided by 400= 8.325 and thats not something that Intel does based on past history.
I think we'll be into winter before we get good info on that one.
One thing for sure is that it will be an interesting year and my elec bill will drop hopefully!

[Donnie27]

I'm in the same boat as you on this. I did the math and it doesn't make a lot of sense. 3330 divided by 400= 8.325 and thats not something that Intel does based on past history.
I think we'll be into winter before we get good info on that one.
One thing for sure is that it will be an interesting year and my elec bill will drop hopefully!

I hope my bill will be lower too, I'm dumping my big old CRT and getting a LCD. If Newegg didn't pull a fast one. I just missed the UPS Guy but he should be back soon.

[nemrod]

I also dont see any reason for them not being able to make a 3.16Ghz 80W quad using LV chips.

Extra cost for LV must probably correspond to high perf/watt
(2.66/50 = 0.05, 3.16/80=0.04)

[terrace215]

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=5116
150W (3GHz) and 120W (2.666GHz) go to 3.16GHz/120W/45nm.
80W quad go from 2.33GHz@65nm to 3GHz@45nm.
50W quad go from 1.86GHz@65nm to 2.66GHz@45nm.

65W dual goes from 2.66GHz@65nm to 3.33GHz@45nm
40W dual goes from 2.33GHz@65nm to 3.16GHz@45nm.

To make one part more dramatic:

April 3GHz 65nm QC at 150W goes to Aug/Sep G0 65nm at 120W goes to 80W in Q4 on 45nm.

Power cut almost in half for 3GHz QC part in the course of 6-9 months.

Impressive.

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

so is the entire lineup of penryn aiming for a Q1 08, or before..? I thought it was fallish.

Ryan

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http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4687
Server has been late 2007.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5117
Mobile has been early 2008.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5119
Desktop has been flipping in between both, latest news suggesting 2007.

[Donnie27]

so is the entire lineup of penryn aiming for a Q1 08, or before..? I thought it was fallish.

Ryan

Intel will launch them when they feel they need to

[red]

http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Price...rticle8074.htm
Intel "Penryn" Xeon DP to start out at $177 and top out at $1,172.

No premium compared to Clovertown http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4981 ,very small premium for low wattage quad 45nm parts, no info on the 3.16GHz 40W dualie, launch of dualies in Q108. Also compare http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40606

[Metroid]

Amazing Quad Core Xeon E5405 2.xx GHz 80W 12MB for just $210 .