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    Quote Originally Posted by GoThr3k View Post
    40% is number given by AMD....
    he just tries to uncover the real date of arrival for barcelona and tries to explain what can cause the delay...
    Nothing more, nothing less

    Damn, i wonder what the average IQ is around here
    Now with your brilliant IQ, where is the 40% number from?

    http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPBM01

    If its not from specfp or specint.

    If he just tries to uncover the delay, then why all the numbers and performance estimates? Specially those high estimates based on 40% IPC boost over Intel. thats what, ~60% over K8?

    So no, he tries to hype and add fuel to the unneeded runaway speculation and hopes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mav451 View Post
    Savantu referring to him as "sharikou's brother" is calling the kettle black.

    It isn't IQ that's the problem. They're just not reading the title, "AMD Barcelona thread". Not thread crap with Intel fanboy propaganda. There's a similar problem with any 2900XT threads, where nVidia fanboys ignore the title to swoop in with more propaganda.
    So what you say is critisism should be censored and only good thing said about something listed in the subject
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    So what you say is critisism should be censored and only good thing said about something listed in the subject
    The key word is *constructive* criticism. There is some in this thread, but it is muddied by border-line (or actually crossing) Intel fanboy bull. The same thing happened to the original K8L thread.
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    http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32533/135/
    I guess AMD is finally trying to put all the delay rumors to rest. I hope its true. They dont need another PR disaster like the R600 "family" launch. Some ppl at the graphics division hopefully got some serious heat for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    You do realize that DailyTech is as much Anandtech as Myspace is to Murdoch So what's your problem with either, anyway?
    Anand seems to have developed a serious grudge against AMD because they dont give him any exclusives(imo). Also why would you expect DT to do in-depth benchmarks, they are a news site and would overlap with AT if they did. That said the differences between their benching practices re not as big as you suggest. Btw i do read both regularly.
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    You are very funny. You say DT doesn't do indepth benches, then say they bench similarly. Is it that hard to post a link, having Anandtech or DailyTech being so far off the spectrum of what everyone else is saying? Is there any editorial besides loons like http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/ar...fud_versu.html that is being nice to AMD as I'm sure you would like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    Now with your brilliant IQ, where is the 40% number from?

    http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPBM01

    If its not from specfp or specint.

    If he just tries to uncover the delay, then why all the numbers and performance estimates? Specially those high estimates based on 40% IPC boost over Intel. thats what, ~60% over K8?

    So no, he tries to hype and add fuel to the unneeded runaway speculation and hopes.
    I thought you were someone with average IQ, but i start to doubt that right now....

    Don't you remember AMD claimed that K10 (barcelona) was 40% faster then an equal clocked QC Xeon??

    you must be growing demented

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mav451 View Post
    The key word is *constructive* criticism. There is some in this thread, but it is muddied by border-line (or actually crossing) Intel fanboy bull. The same thing happened to the original K8L thread.
    But what about the *constructive* AMD fanboys, are they free to type whatever the hype. Or should their bull also be in the same bowl as the intels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoThr3k View Post
    I thought you were someone with average IQ, but i start to doubt that right now....

    Don't you remember AMD claimed that K10 (barcelona) was 40% faster then an equal clocked QC Xeon??

    you must be growing demented
    Yes, and besides being abit on the rude side. You should atleast check the AMD link i provided.

    http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPBM01

    Now tell me what type of bench they did. And was 40% should be estimate 40%.

    Yes thats correct, its a SpecFP_rate bench. Something K8 already beats the Core 2 on with about 20%.
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    For the people who can't read an article properly...

    The next issue is performance. Back in January, Randy Allen at AMD stated that K10 would be 40% faster than Intel's best Clovertown. And, presumably this would be with the 2.5Ghz speed K10.

    Maybe read the article first before replying?

    I really dont see the relevance of your link...
    cause we are talking about the article...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoThr3k View Post
    For the people who can't read an article properly...

    The next issue is performance. Back in January, Randy Allen at AMD stated that K10 would be 40% faster than Intel's best Clovertown. And, presumably this would be with the 2.5Ghz speed K10.

    Maybe read the article first before replying?

    I really dont see the relevance of your link...
    cause we are talking about the article...
    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070301-8958.html

    Another specfp_rate.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-0...00-47032.shtml

    AMD promises that Barcelona will be about 40% faster in a series of applications.
    Do I even have to say P4 and encoding benches along with Sandra?

    So stop the hype before it kicks you in the back when K10 launches. We already had plenty of dissapointment with R600.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070301-8958.html

    Another specfp_rate.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-0...00-47032.shtml



    Do I even have to say P4 and encoding benches along with Sandra?

    So stop the hype before it kicks you in the back when K10 launches. We already had plenty of dissapointment with R600.
    Again your reply has nothing to do with the subject

    Do I say K10 will be 40% faster? NO
    I just pointed out that the writer of the article didnt believe that either.
    It's really starting to get boring if i have to explain you everything......

    IQ<50???

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoThr3k View Post
    Again your reply has nothing to do with the subject

    Do I say K10 will be 40% faster? NO
    I just pointed out that the writer of the article didnt believe that either.
    It's really starting to get boring if i have to explain you everything......

    IQ<50???
    Nice touch with the personals.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoThr3k View Post
    I thought you were someone with average IQ, but i start to doubt that right now....

    Don't you remember AMD claimed that K10 (barcelona) was 40% faster then an equal clocked QC Xeon??

    you must be growing demented
    Quote Originally Posted by GoThr3k View Post
    if you think that THAT is the point of the article, well so be it....

    He just took that number for speculation, if you would have read the interesting part,you wouldnt post such crap.....

    And btw, the 40% didnt came for specrate
    Quote Originally Posted by GoThr3k View Post
    For the people who can't read an article properly...

    The next issue is performance. Back in January, Randy Allen at AMD stated that K10 would be 40% faster than Intel's best Clovertown. And, presumably this would be with the 2.5Ghz speed K10.

    Maybe read the article first before replying?

    I really dont see the relevance of your link...
    cause we are talking about the article...
    Now, since you claim its not specrate. And I have proven why it would be specrate with several links. Maybe you can do the same. Unless you think you are in a position not to be questioned. So if not specrate or another memory heavy benchmark. Then what?

    And yes, we are still talking about the article, since it contains these numbers and base its conclusion and estimates from it.
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    Again a useless reply....

    *sigh* iq must be below 30 i presume
    the 40&#37; came from an AMD statement,i don't know and don't care were they did get it from. They didnt meant specrate by any means, just overall....

    phew,maybe i should copy that phrase so that i can press Ctrl+V when you reply again....

    Btw, i still don't get it why you keep bringing that up??
    The article wasn't about that at all....

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    Shintai,Randy Allen said that K10 will "blow away Clowerton in terms of performance" so it's pretty strong statement to make and a real PITA for AMD if it turns out to be false.So i guess it's not false,but very true.And we will soon find out for ourselves.So patience ,grasshopper(lol)

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    http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/30928/135/

    Compared to Intel's fastest Xeon 5300 (X5355), AMD promises that will be about 40&#37; faster in some applications (best vs best).

    http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31729/135/

    20% in integer, 50% in floating point (at the same clock). That 50% could come in handy if you do a lot of POV-ray
    Last edited by red; 06-19-2007 at 02:20 PM.

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    Some HPC crowd would strongly disagree with you red lol.But,it seems that intel fanboys will push the "not fast enough" mantra once the K10 hits the shelves.It will never be fast enough ,since it's not made @ intel (sarcasm)

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    GoThr3k said that 40&#37; is overall. Maybe for supercomputers, but not for the other 99.9%

    http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...403-00786.html
    http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...430-00981.html

    http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...412-00810.html
    http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...528-01175.html

    As core count increases, Intel loses its lead in the good ol' spec benches at 8 cores and you can see that in specfprate, AMD's best result is already 62% ahead of Intel and 2% on int. So they are extending an already big gap not making a new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    GoThr3k said that 40% is overall. Maybe for supercomputers, but not for the other 99.9%
    hold it there intel Marketing dude
    I said that AMD said that....

    And the links you post are just pathetic...

    twin brother of shintai?

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    Again, AMD said 40&#37; in some, not overall. And 20% in INT, 50% FP, and in real world usage, INT dominates. How do you get that AMD said 40% overall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    Again, AMD said 40% in some, not overall. And 20% in INT, 50% FP, and in real world usage, INT dominates. How do you get that AMD said 40% overall?
    they said it somewhere, a couple of months ago
    but 20% int, 50% FP is also a thing they've said

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    Clearly they never said 40&#37; overall, unless you have really optimistic interpretations of "40% in a variety of ??workloads", "performance per watt", "some apps".... BTW, the 20% number is outdated. http://multicore.amd.com/us-en/AMD-M...rformance.aspx It is comparing results as of April 16. The best Intel specintrate result as of then was http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...219-00526.html and since then they have gotten http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...528-01177.html The 2.6Ghz K10 is 2% faster than the 2.66 Clovertown (102 vs 99.9).
    Last edited by red; 06-19-2007 at 03:27 PM.

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    where do you get the 2.6 k10 results from?

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    Umm, the chart from amd.com? With the 1.2x, 1.5x figures from AMD, multiplying those factors by the best 8 core Intel results in spec int/fp rate before 4.16 gives basically what the graph suggests, 84.8*1.2=101.7, which is less than the max of the graph of 104, and http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/...205-00350.html
    58.8*1.5=88.2, less than 92. BTW, 101.7 is 1.8&#37; better than 99.9 lol

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    Red there are no official results for K10 AND we do not know for sure how it will perform.We have vague estimates from AMD.
    K10 is way ahead of K8 in arch. improvements and it will be faster than 2 core and 4 core intel based systems(clock for clock ).You will see that when it gets reviewed, i can tell you that much.And Penryn won't change that much.Nehalem probably will,but than again,k10 has an evolutionary path also(shrink) and a 8 native core part in H2 2009 is coming from AMD.
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