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    Okay, let's put the fanboyism away for a second.

    But before I start I'll make it clear I am neutal. I don't give a crap who makes the best stuff. I have a slight preference that it's British, second to that European, third to that not Amercian. But that aside...

    I realise I've aleady posted several pages back on the validity of the Koolance tests, but with a bit more thought I'd like to add some more comments.

    Previously I was playing Devils Advocate, i.e. I was not willing to accept that Koolance had completely rigged the tests. My reasons being that if you wanted an independant test of radiators the only place to go would be some place related to the Automotive industry, which in turn would, as we indeed have seen, result in test circumstances far removed to normal PC watercooling.

    I am quite willing to accept that if Koolance wanted independant tests this was the only route open to them.

    However, after giving it some thought, I absolutely and without any doubt state that Koolance knew these results were not typical to anywhere in the same ball park, PC watercooling. There is zero chance they didn't immediately recognise that the temps and airflow were far, far in excess of what is the absolute outside of what happens.

    Given that they A) Did not acknowledge it, and B) Did not offer any kind of comparison to the figures that are commonly quoted in PC watercooling...

    Then I deem, and I'll say it in court, that they were deliberately out to deceive. Which in my book is on the same page as lying.

    It is not possible to judge if they intended to go out and seek these results, or if they ended up with these results and intended to publish them anyway.

    But stuff it. They are attempting to deceive consumers, and that may not be illegal.

    Koolance, this is the bit you'll want to take me to court for libel over : Your radiators in any conceivable circumstances are inferior. Your products under perform your competitors. Official Koolance product descriptions are misleading. Finally that Koolance are lying to customers

    The statement " At best, we are left with the conclusion our original claim of outperforming the other brass/copper heat exchangers by only 39-49% was conservative." is a lie. It's only applicable outside of any reasonable application, something which Koolance should be well aware of. And by stating it they are saying that their products are superior to other products on the market. Since their products are inferior, then this will cause a negative impact on their competitors sales. This is libelous.

    Anyway, Koolance. Sue me if you disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwlabs View Post
    With good reason, we never really expected Koolance to go this far.

    No doubt real-world tests will be conducted and side by side comparisons will be made.

    I thought it best to return Koolance the favor for buying one of our radiators.
    Thats what I am talking about. Put all this to rest!

    LOL it's good to have a sense of humor in all this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Halk View Post
    Your radiators in any conceivable circumstances are inferior. Your products under perform your competitors. Official Koolance product descriptions are misleading. Finally that Koolance are lying to customers
    Hearsay!

    You have no proof to back anything up. They do. So get mad all you want, but at "XTREME"s the koolance owns!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDatl404 View Post
    Thats what I am talking about. Put all this to rest!

    LOL it's good to have a sense of humor in all this...



    Hearsay!

    You have no proof to back anything up. They do. So get mad all you want, but at "XTREME"s the koolance owns!
    Not only do I have an in depth study of their results. As supplied by watercooling experts. I have my own study of common radiator types, at various ranges of air flow, ranging from about as silent as it's possible to be with a PC to around as noisy as it's reasonable to tolerate with headphones on.

    I'll be happy to provide these studies in court.

    And I'm not mad - I'm drunk, and calling Koolance's bluff. I'm that confident they can't back up their claims that I'm happy to go to court. Assuming I win the case (which I will) I can afford to drop the legal fees from my savings while the case runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halk View Post
    Not only do I have an in depth study of their results. As supplied by watercooling experts. I have my own study of common radiator types, at various ranges of air flow, ranging from about as silent as it's possible to be with a PC to around as noisy as it's reasonable to tolerate with headphones on.

    I'll be happy to provide these studies in court.

    And I'm not mad - I'm drunk, and calling Koolance's bluff. I'm that confident they can't back up their claims that I'm happy to go to court. Assuming I win the case (which I will) I can afford to drop the legal fees from my savings while the case runs.
    I hope it's not off millerlite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDatl404 View Post
    I hope it's not off millerlite.
    No, it's not. But what's wrong with the lite beers. I really enjoy them. Everything in it's place etc, horses for courses, but in a tropical climate lite beers are incredibly refreshing and crisp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halk View Post
    in a tropical climate lite beers are incredibly refreshing and crisp.
    Wow you sound like you have a passion for drinking

    I figured you for a crown and coke type person....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDatl404 View Post
    Wow you sound like you have a passion for drinking

    I figured you for a crown and coke type person....
    Crown?

    I'm Scottish, apparently I'm ginger, beat my wife, and have a severe drinking problem. It's in the genes apparently,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDatl404 View Post
    I hope it's not off millerlite.


    Ive never considered adding anyone to my ignore list before today. The ignorance in your posts is borderline stupidity




    As for radiators, I dont choose sides. I run what ever offers the best price/performance. Ive never considered Koolance because their products don't suit my needs. Awkward size radiators, plastic water blocks that aren't aesthetically appealing IMO as well as a higher price tag for the performance that you are getting. Plus I was hooked on the whole 1/2 > 1/4 ID tubing thing... Even with the latest tubing info, I wouldn't switch over to Koolance. Not because of its PR, or the community dislike towards it but because the performance that it offers isn't enough to justify the difference in price between upgrading my current custom water cooling setup VS purchasing their kit.

    Which is why I just replaced my dying Mag3 and DD Dual heatercore with an MCR320 and MCP655.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halk View Post
    However, after giving it some thought, I absolutely and without any doubt state that Koolance knew these results were not typical to anywhere in the same ball park, PC watercooling. There is zero chance they didn't immediately recognise that the temps and airflow were far, far in excess of what is the absolute outside of what happens.

    Given that they A) Did not acknowledge it, and B) Did not offer any kind of comparison to the figures that are commonly quoted in PC watercooling...

    Then I deem, and I'll say it in court, that they were deliberately out to deceive. Which in my book is on the same page as lying.


    It is not possible to judge if they intended to go out and seek these results, or if they ended up with these results and intended to publish them anyway.

    But stuff it. They are attempting to deceive consumers, and that may not be illegal.

    Koolance, this is the bit you'll want to take me to court for libel over : Your radiators in any conceivable circumstances are inferior. Your products under perform your competitors. Official Koolance product descriptions are misleading. Finally that Koolance are lying to customers

    The statement " At best, we are left with the conclusion our original claim of outperforming the other brass/copper heat exchangers by only 39-49% was conservative." is a lie. It's only applicable outside of any reasonable application, something which Koolance should be well aware of. And by stating it they are saying that their products are superior to other products on the market. Since their products are inferior, then this will cause a negative impact on their competitors sales. This is libelous.

    Anyway, Koolance. Sue me if you disagree.
    Amen. Strange that me and halk agree. Very well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ranker View Post
    Amen. Strange that me and halk agree. Very well said.
    And to think it only took bottle of vodka :P

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