Originally Posted by weihk
You got it man. The original question was: I need something that will shut down the PC in case of a pump failure. I'm looking into getting the stuff from Mcubed (bigNg, miniNg, sensorbus), what all will I need to make this happen. Most of you said all I will need is the BigNg and Sensorbus, so i'll get those and try them out. Thanks for the help guys!
@weihk
Dude - chill.
Firstly - I just spent over $9000 on my pc. I will be using bios shutoff on temp feature. It's retarded not to as its cheap and free and works very well so cost of PC is not an issue.
Further, adding 3rd party hardware can actually complicate the situation not simplify. What if it fails, what if you don't set it up properly. Its not guaranteed to work perfectly.
Saying all that I will be using the big ng and accesories to monitor my system. I think the sensor bus can only handle 2 rpm feeds - e.g 2 flow monitors. I don't know if you can have multiple sensor bus's.
Chris
Last edited by phcjpp; 06-13-2007 at 07:35 AM.
Whats up Chris, I know the BIOS can be used to shut off the PC in the event of the CPU reaching a predefined threshold, but what about the GPU's, the NB, the SB? Can you set the BIOS to shut down the system if one of those overheats?
BTW, how's your new stuff coming along?
I was responding to 'weihk' and his repeated 'get it?'.
I would hope at 800$ each the GPU's have shutoff. As for the NB and SB - they are not so important - generally being passively cooled anyway.
As for the new stuff - very well thanks ....
here is the latest pic
Cheers
Chris
Last edited by phcjpp; 06-25-2007 at 01:31 PM.
no worries, and no offence taken
wasnt intended to have a go at you guys, just trying to join in and point out what the guy is really trying to say.
however, i do use a BigNG, but reason for not commenting how to set it up to hard shut down when things fails......is because i only use it for automated fan controll for my WC setup, together linked to 2 water temp sesnsors........and thats it, didnt bother setting it up for hard shut down, cause im too much of a idiot for that!
hmmmm......think i need to polish up my posting skills.....otherwise i might get shot in da arse one day for misunderstanding
Hmmm... 6x pumps? Can anyone say overkill?? Recommend reading Cathar's latest thread, which covers how much pumpage you should need. I'll say right now you'll probably only really need 3... the other 3 won't do anything at all for your temps, and will just add further unnecessary heatload... but anyways...
BigNG AND extension set allows for a max capacity of 6x rpm monitors, so one mCubed and Analogue Extension set (SensorBus) will handle JUST your pumps and temperature monitoring. Won't have any room left over for fans etc. Also, it can only be used to monitor the pumps - not power them. The BigNG has a max capacity of 40w, and 6x 18w+ pumps is more than 40w. You'll have to power each pump directly off your PSU.
Either way, with the BigNG you have redundancy - it has a passthru cable to pass 4 of the RPM channels onto the mobo - the mCubed handles monitoring and protection whilst in windows, and you can set the bios to handle it prior to windows loading (majority of mCubed's function is only useable whilst in the OS with it's software running). So, CPU Loop pump would be passed thru to CPU fan header. NB Loop's pump would pass thru to NB fan header. That'll be about it for what the bios can handle in terms of auto-shutdown in event of pump failure.
You can hook a DDC's rpm cable up to either the flowrate headers on the SensorBus, or to the fan channels on the BigNG itself... and with 6x pumps, you'd be using all 4 headers on the BigNG, and both the flowmeter ports for the remaining 2 pumps. 4 of the pumps would thus display as an RPM in the region of 4 to 5000rpm, the other 2 would be translated into what the mCubed thinks is LPM (as it'll assume you have the provided flowmeters attached, it's maths'll be wrong converting the DDC's rpm to lpm).
You'll also have the ability to monitor 12x independant temperature probes -
4 analogue & 1 digital thru the BigNG, and a further 6 analogue and 1 digital thru the Extension Set.
And you'll have a mass of burnt-spaghetti-resembling cable to route and tidy... which is the mCubed's BIGGEST drawback.
(I'm in the middle of fitting one to a dual-loop system - see yonder - have dedicated tomorrow to dealing with the spaghetti, which isn't shown in the photos)
Last edited by Marci; 06-13-2007 at 08:15 AM.
Man that's looking really good, I can't wait to see the finished product. I'm with you on the GPU's, for that kind of money you would think that they have to have that function, but I don't think they do.
Ahh hey you're ok, you actually understood what I was talking about.no worries, and no offence taken
wasnt intended to have a go at you guys, just trying to join in and point out what the guy is really trying to say.
however, i do use a BigNG, but reason for not commenting how to set it up to hard shut down when things fails......is because i only use it for automated fan controll for my WC setup, together linked to 2 water temp sesnsors........and thats it, didnt bother setting it up for hard shut down, cause im too much of a idiot for that!
hmmmm......think i need to polish up my posting skills.....otherwise i might get shot in da arse one day for misunderstanding
Thanks for the info Marci, that helps out alot. More than likely I will only have 3 pumps, I was just saying that if I could talk the wife into letting me have 6 then I would get 6, but you know how that goes.
That settles it then, BigNg and Sensorbus it is! Now I just gotta sneak that purchase past the wife.
Just so that you understand how mine is setup:
I have a BigNG, 2 miniNG's, 1 Sensor bus, 1 Digital expansion, 6 water temp probes (G1/4"), and 8 attenuators all from Mcubed.
I have 3 pumps in my system for 3 different loops. I just dropped out my Iwaki RD-30 as I'll be using it on my upcoming test bench. I have 3 DDC-2's in my system, 2 with Petra's top and 1 with alphacool top.
On the BigNG, I have my CPU loop and other motherboard related fans:
Port 1 = DDC-2
Port 2 = 2 Yates on my PA120.2 joined together with an attenuator
Port 3 = 3 Yates (2 on the top of my "MM Original Window" and 1 on the motherboard tray in the exhaust port) connected together with 2 attenuators)
Port 4 = Corsair Dominator RAM fan
On MiniNG-0, I have my GPU loop:
Port 1 = DDC-2
Port 2 = 3 Yates on my PA120.3 joined together by 2 attenuators
On MiniNG-1, I have my Chipset/HD loop:
Port 1 = DDC-2
Port 2 = 1 Yate with an attenuator attached to my PA160
On my Sensorbus, I attached the RPM monitors for my CPU's DDC-2 and my GPU's DDC-2. I also have 6 water temp probes attached to it to monitor temp in and temp out of each of my 3 radiators. The water temp probes are G1/4" caps that you can use with a T-line. My sensor bus also attaches the hard switches from my power switch to the motherboard.
My BigNG also has 6 digital thermometers attached to it through daisy chain to monitor my CPU, GPU1, GPU2, NB, SB, and RAM. The bigNG is setup to automatically adjust fan speed and control the pump based upon the temp curve I have for each component.
The Sensor bus will perform a hard shutdown in the event any of the temp thresholds for my 6 digital thermometers, 6 water temp probes, or if the pump RPM signal no longer broadcasts.
This thing gives you total control and monitoring over everything. It's awesome for the control/safety freak. I'll have to admit, I had to spend a few days just getting the wiring down to avoid the "spaghetti" look, but it was worth it.
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CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
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Ranker
Have you got a pic of your temp probe caps up anywhere?
My PA rads just arrived and I'm doing a rethink of the layout
If you sift through my thread, you will see in the pictures a Tee with barbs on each end a temperature probe. There is also a post with the link.
This is the best method. I have bought the digital sensor extension kit to try and epoxy one into a Tee as seen on the mcubed forum, but do not like the plastic Tees as used in the example.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=146855
Further to some of the posts, can you just use the mobo temperature max for the cpu and the two "flowmeter" connections on the sensorbus for the other two pumps?
Hmmm...wait does the BigNG shut off the system if the pump stops drawing current? In that case it would be possible to rig up a little shutoff thing
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It can. But adding the sensor hub has other attractions too and its only as big as a box of matches, so takes little space.Hmmm...wait does the BigNG shut off the system if the pump stops drawing current? In that case it would be possible to rig up a little shutoff thing
Snyxxx
Thanks I'll take a look. Doing some wiring cuts atm, so I need to make some decisions.
I will shortly. I just finished my U2 tonight except for the wire management. However, I'm still working on my Horizon.
That is exactly how I did mine, except I used a Danger Den delrin T. However, I'm reconsidering it and might switch to a Brass/Nickel T instead since I keep hearing reports about how the DD delrin T restricts flow needlessly.
There's a variety of ways to do it, but I'd rather monitor the CPU and GPU loop with the Sensorbus rather than the BIOS. However, that's working alternative.Further to some of the posts, can you just use the mobo temperature max for the cpu and the two "flowmeter" connections on the sensorbus for the other two pumps?
Yes and No. The BigNG and Speedfan can be used together to perform a soft shutdown if certain thresholds are hit or in case of pump failure.Hmmm...wait does the BigNG shut off the system if the pump stops drawing current? In that case it would be possible to rig up a little shutoff thing
To perform a hard shutdown, you must use/purchase the Sensorbus. At which point, you can ditch speedfan altogether.
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CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
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How are you using the sensorbus to monitor cpu and gpu temps?
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I'm not. I'm using it to monitor the RPM's of my DDC-2's. I'm using my digital thermometer's to measure CPU/GPU/etc temps.
Sensorbus is used only for:
1) hard shut down
2) RPM monitoring for the CPU DDC-2 and GPU DDC-2
3) monitoring water temps with temp probe for all 3 radiators, temp in & temp out. (6 of these: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=20435 attached to 6 of these: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...25bacac2675edc)
Last edited by ranker; 06-13-2007 at 11:54 PM.
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CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
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theres ones that dont 'probe' into the water, alphacool does 2 version, one is a T, the other is inline
i have the T version, but Ranker ones i think would might just be a bit close....
Since I can't really see through the delrin, I'm guessing it probably goes halfway down into the delrin T itself. I'm willing to live with it. I also originally had my temp monitor at the bottom of my EK res (i'm so pissed it wouldn't fit in the side since it hits that wall though). However, I wanted temp in and temp out so I resorted to the T's. The reason I'm considering going with the Brass/Nickel T is for the reason you pointed out. The brass T has the connecting holes a little "farther" out than that delrin T does so that even screwed in all the way, the temp probe won't be obstructing any flow.
However, they're at $10 a piece... and they're quite large. I'm not sure I'll manage to fit them inside my already super cramped Horizon. (PS, wait til you see what I did to fit a PA160 in a Horizon in addition to a PA120.3 and PA120.2)
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CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
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ranker,
I actually have a few of the DD Delrin Tees. I tried to screw the temp probe into the "top" hole and it seemed to really block the flow or, if I remember right, I could not even screw it all the way in because the tip of the temp probe hit the Tee bottom before the threads were fully engaged.
Did you have to add a spcer or something to make the temp probe fit?
I just redid my loop and confirm that with this Tee (only $3.50):
http://www.sharkacomputers.com/niplintcofig.html
I could only barely see the tip of the temp probe and do not feel it was protruding into the flow area of the Tee. But yes, after adding the hose barbs, this assembly gets quite large.
Last edited by Snyxxx; 06-14-2007 at 09:17 AM. Reason: typo
Or, you could go this route. Basically pulling the probe farther away from the T.
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0681tn8.jpg
Last edited by sanhacker; 06-14-2007 at 09:26 AM.
sanhacker,
I think the spacer you show might be required on the DD Delrin Tee. I do not think the spacer is necessary on the "metal" Tee you show as I have looked and the tip (at least the temp probe I am using) does not protrude into the flow path at all.
Now that I have just received my cpu back plate, I am going to redo my loop and I will take apicture of this.
Thanks for the spacer picture though.
I didn't use a spacer on my DD Tee although it did almost touch the bottom. The nickel/brass T is ideal as I mentioned but seems to cost a whole heck of a lot more. I'm currently bashing my head with my U2 right now to be working on my Horizon but hopefully I'll have some time soon to see if I want to move to the nickel/brass T along with some other modifications I had in mind.
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CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
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C'mon ranker, the Tee is only $3.50. I am too lazy to look at DD's site, but I am sure they are about even in cost.
mcoffey,
The threads are G1/4 and I have 1/2"OD hose barbs on each end and the temp probe in the top. I was going to do what ranker did by adding two of these temp probes, but it seems the water temperature delta from before and after the rad is negligible.
It is funny how this little device (bigNG+sensorbus) has made me do a lot of things for it. I ended up doing flow rate tests and temperature probe calibration and other things. I thought it was going to do the work. Actually, it has added a nice facet to this hobby when I was getting bored with the usual stuff.
The ones for 3.50 were out of stock and the only other ones I've found were the ones at MC and those went for $10 a pop. Money isn't a concern for me, but wasting it is. I'm not sure if I'd be better off with that nickel/brass T as it appears to be much larger. My Horizon is cramped enough as it is as I have to ask Top Nurse (the local elephant was on vacation) to sit on it to even screw on my UFO covers.
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CPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Swiftech GTZ -> Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
GPU Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> (Koolance VID-NX295 FC block) ->Thermochill PA120.3 (Push: 3 Scythe S-Flex G)
Chipset Loop: DDC-2 w/ XSPC Reservoir Top -> Alphacool Silentstar Dual HD waterblock enclosure -> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 MOSFET-> Bitspower Black Freezer eVGA x58 NB -> Thermochill PA120.2 (Pull: 2 Scythe S-Flex G)
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ranker,
Fully understand about the size. The metal Tee with barbs and gets quite long and bulky.
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