Radeon HD 2900 XT vs. 320MB 8800 GTS

[gdogg]

Back the memory down to 999, once you hit 1000 latencies raise and performance actually goes down.

Thanks for the tip.

[Vapor]

If the next gen nvidia cards are late, and perform worse . I completely except all of you who bash the hd2900xt to act the same.

Oh everyone will....late and underperforming is borderline unacceptable for any company. I'm honestly surprised that people are being so easy on AMD

[xlink]

Oh everyone will....late and underperforming is borderline unacceptable for any company. I'm honestly surprised that people are being so easy on AMD

well, the 8600s came late and they were definitely underperforming...

[Bonkers]

You know, Catalyst and 7.6 will probably fix this, and everyone knows that this card will do much better in DX10.

Yes, and if it doesn't, everyone knows it's dx 10.1 compatible. And if it isn't it'll overclock like hell. And if it doesn't, the 65nm parts are just around the corner.

AMD screwed up big time, when will people realize that?

[DilTech]

Here's the followup to my claims. Same exact standing position, you be the judge if what I say is true. Again, pay attention to the ladder. Also, don't mind the lousy j-peg compression, I just wanted to be able to upload it quick, and it's not needed to show my point.

Dynamic Lighting Off.

Dynamic Lighting On.


Compare those to the pics posted in the thread earlier.

I'll let you guys be the judge, but I'm going to go ahead and say whoever he got those screen-shots from just lost 100% credibility for giving performance numbers, period.

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

Yes, and if it doesn't, everyone knows it's dx 10.1 compatible. And if it isn't it'll overclock like hell. And if it doesn't, the 65nm parts are just around the corner.

AMD screwed up big time, when will people realize that?

reread post #3, and then apply that new-found knowledge to what I said.

Ryan

[Vapor]

well, the 8600s came late and they were definitely underperforming...

Everyone ripped on it when it was its time. Then the HD2900XT came out...so now we're on that. Plus, big difference in high-end vs. mid-range focus here at XS.

BUT, XS might be the only site to like it and...and for good reason: HD2900XT is competitive for the 3DMark05 and 06 WRs. In terms of gaming though, HD2900XT is just not cutting it until AMD does something to improve it (if they can).

EDIT: and the 8600s were not MONTHS later than their competition. Heck...they were earlier.

[DilTech]

Everyone ripped on it when it was its time. Then the HD2900XT came out...so now we're on that. Plus, big difference in high-end vs. mid-range focus here at XS.

BUT, XS might be the only site to like it and...and for good reason: HD2900XT is competitive for the 3DMark05 and 06 WRs. In terms of gaming though, HD2900XT is just not cutting it until AMD does something to improve it (if they can).

EDIT: and the 8600s were not MONTHS later than their competition. Heck...they were earlier.

If you wish to get technical, you still can't buy the 8600's competition.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Here's the followup to my claims. Same exact standing position, you be the judge if what I say is true. Again, pay attention to the ladder. Also, don't mind the lousy j-peg compression, I just wanted to be able to upload it quick, and it's not needed to show my point.

Dynamic Lighting Off.

Dynamic Lighting On.


Compare those to the pics posted in the thread earlier.

I'll let you guys be the judge, but I'm going to go ahead and say whoever he got those screen-shots from just lost 100% credibility for giving performance numbers, period.

Something is completely wrong with those photos. The images are different, the ambient color is different, etc. One of these photos has been edited/altered. Unless the time of day changes in this game like it does in Oblivion. That is not a direct comparison. It's like one ss uses more red tint and the other uses a tad yellow tint.

[Vapor]

Something is completely wrong with those photos. The images are different, the ambient color is different, etc. One of these photos has been edited/altered. Unless the time of day changes in this game like it does in Oblivion. That is not a direct comparison. It's like one ss uses more red tint and the other uses a tad yellow tint.

That is one of the differences in the lighting schemes....

[DilTech]

Something is completely wrong with those photos. The images are different, the ambient color is different, etc. One of these photos has been edited/altered. Unless the time of day changes in this game like it does in Oblivion. That is not a direct comparison. It's like one ss uses more red tint and the other uses a tad yellow tint.

No, you see, this is how I knew what was up in the first place....

Dynamic lighting effects everything. From ambient color to the shading of clothing, and even how textures react to color. It's because with dynamic lighting the lights colors all effect the environment, and with static lighting it's just a plain white light.

It is taken back to back, the only change being exiting and restarting for the lighting option change to take effect. I can do indoor shots too if you'd like.

Time of day does change, but as I stated, right after I saved I took the first screenshot, exited the game, opened it back up and loaded the game, then instantly took the screenshot. In game time the shots were taken seconds apart.

Anyone here can re-do my experiment and will come up with the exact findings. The graphics really are that drastically different between dynamic lighting off and on.

Either way, whoever posted v_rr's shots originally is now no longer a credible source for info, plain and simple.

[Eastcoasthandle]

That is one of the differences in the lighting schemes....

Then it isn't dynamic lighting from what I've seen. Using tint as dynamic lighting or to change the image of a map can have positive or negative effect on shadows, lighting, etc.

[DilTech]

Then it isn't dynamic lighting from what I've seen. Using tint as dynamic lighting or to change the image of a map can have positive or negative effect on shadows, lighting, etc.

It's color cast from the sources of light.

Have you even played stalker? If you had you'd know that the game does infact have dynamic lighting when it's turned on, it's not just "a tint". If it was, why would it effect the performance so much?

Either way, case be told, the demons have been exorcised. v_rr's shots were proven fraudulent

[DeathReborn]

If you wish to get technical, you still can't buy the 8600's competition.

Also, when was the last time either company launched High, Mid & Low end parts at the same time (available not just paper)? The Mid & Low end parts were always scheduled for a later launch cycle for the last few generations as it's easier for them to manage.

As for Bonkers and his quite frankly "bonkers" statement... R650/R670/R680 (or whatever they want to call it now) was a hoax to get leaks (no solid proof they ever existed). Also nobody knows what the final DX 10.1 spec is so it's kinda hard to have a card specced to it already.


AMD dropped the ball not once, not twice, not thrice but too many times on too many products & quite a lot of people are getting tired of delays & poor performance, i'm one of them.

[STEvil]

Check the ladder shadow and vegetation (foreground) in DilTech's screenshots.

There's the diff between dynamic and fixed lighting styles.

[Shintai]

Kinda scary that some AMD fanbois now produce or publish misleading screenshots to make it sound better.

[XS2K]

@DilTech-

[Clairvoyant129]

Kinda scary that some AMD fanbois now produce or publish misleading screenshots to make it sound better.

AMD fanpois must be getting desperate with all thats been happening.

[ahmad]

You got to remember that the H likes to stir the pot. When they stir up sh*t they get more hits on their site which means more advertising money.

Ahaha. Yeah that actually makes perfect sense.

[AbelJemka]

The original debate was about the quality of [H] review. If we take each game they use theirs results are very strange.
In their review Oblivion seems to have bad performance with HD 2900XT although everybody here know is totally false. You can't find one review telling that too. Image quality problems?
For BF1942 just pointing this review here
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...s_3.html#sect1
Stalker? Personnaly no problems with [H] settings and i can confirm the nearly 100% performance incresase compare to release drivers.
For Lost Planet a lots of subjective statement in defavor of HD 2900XT for the most part

In conclusion how could you not call this review a bad review. Worst thing is using beta driver while Cat 7.5 are out since the 31th of may

[sladesurfer]

Kinda scary that some AMD fanbois now produce or publish misleading screenshots to make it sound better.

[Eastcoasthandle]

The original debate was about the quality of [H] review. If we take each game they use theirs results are very strange.
In their review Oblivion seems to have bad performance with HD 2900XT although everybody here know is totally false. You can't find one review telling that too. Image quality problems?
For BF1942 just pointing this review here
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...s_3.html#sect1
Stalker? Personnaly no problems with [H] settings and i can confirm the nearly 100% performance incresase compare to release drivers.
For Lost Planet a lots of subjective statement in defavor of HD 2900XT for the most part

In conclusion how could you not call this review a bad review. Worst thing is using beta driver while Cat 7.5 are out since the 31th of may

Agreed, the review is simply bad all around

[DoubleZero]

How about this one:

http://www.techspot.com/review/52-as...0xt/page4.html

8800gts don't come near the 2900xt at any point.

This is the first one that appears in google.
But from the reviews that i've seen when the card came out, they all had 2900xt ahead.

[insurgent]

How about this one:

http://www.techspot.com/review/52-as...0xt/page4.html

8800gts don't come near the 2900xt at any point.

This is the first one that appears in google.
But from the reviews that i've seen when the card came out, they all had 2900xt ahead.

Is techspot credible? I honestly have no idea.

[Mav451]

ROFL, yea Anand, Toms, Xbit, Hexus etc etc all Intel paid pumpers./sarcasm

You are really showing your computer age here. Tom's is a site with many skeletons in its closet, not just it's anti-AMD/pro-Intel spin. If you remember the controversy between Tom and Van then maybe you'd understand why people don't read Tom's. Tom's also had a highly condescending and smug article written against AMD users who challenged him on the BAPCo 2002 benchmark.

I'm also leaving out the fact that Tom essentially sold-out on many reviews for the benefit of ad money. I'm in the camp that once you've sold-out, it scars your reputation for life. It's for the same reason I no longer trust Anandtech. He wasn't a sell-out until Conroe, but since then it seems much of his writing is "double-talk".