ASUS P5K Deluxe - Intel P35 Bearlake + E6600 B1 / Q6600 B3

[erwinz]

I have had this too - I have found that it is an early warning sign that Orthos/Prime won't make it through the night.

As you note, it does not happen when just running the apps - so this is instability caused by the heat/load of Prime95, which stresses the system more way than everyday apps.

Which poses the question - you machine might very well be stable for everyday tasks but you can't prove it!

On these marginal overclocks I can run systool's stability test, and memtest for 12 hours, but the much hotter Orthos/Prime95, it will crash/fail/reboot within a few hours. This could be from heat, or from power delivery problems.

So what is stable? For my godbox, I run a q6600 at a conservative 3456Mhz, which has passed everything I can throw at it, including 48 hour Prime95 Blend. For my renderslaves, I have run them overnight at 3600Mhz running my 3D rendering program just fine, although I know they are not close to prime95 stable.

Q6600/X3220 HEAT AND POWER

At my standard 3456MHz @ 1.5250v bios (damper on)

Running Orthos 8K = 360 watts, 79C Coretemp
Running 3D renderer = 302 watts, 64C Coretemp
idle = 174watts, 44C Coretemp

At my not-P95-stable 3600MHz @ 1.6000v bios (damper on)

Running Orthos 8K = 408 watts, 85C ct
Running 3D renderer = 346 watts, 73C ct
idle = 195 watts, 46C ct

At stock 2400MHz:

Running Orthos 8K = 178 watts, 48 ct
idle = 114 watts, 36 ct


So you can see at the high end that there could be a 50-60 watt difference between everyday apps and Prime95.

And also I have yet to have anything over 3500MHz be Prime95 stable on the P5K.

Notes: all temps at 21.5C ambient, Ultra-120 Extreme, with two undervolted Scythe SFF21F fans in a push -pull config.

good insight?? have anybody tested high fsb and orthos or prime?? do you have the same observations??

[Pretender]

I think mine is stable

[Speederlander]

I think mine is stable

Yeah, but it's not a quad. Much easier to get stable.

[burningrave101]

And also I have yet to have anything over 3500MHz be Prime95 stable on the P5K.

I can get 3600Mhz stable in Orthos but I'm trying for 3700Mhz or higher now and as soon as I start pushing towards 3700Mhz I'm having trouble getting sustained stability in Orthos for several hours even with voltage increases. Apps that I have opened started crashing after a period of time with Orthos running and usually I end up with a system crash and reboot after a couple of hours or more.

[davexl]

I can get 3600Mhz stable in Orthos but I'm trying for 3700Mhz or higher now and as soon as I start pushing towards 3700Mhz I'm having trouble getting sustained stability in Orthos for several hours even with voltage increases. Apps that I have opened started crashing after a period of time with Orthos running and usually I end up with a system crash and reboot after a couple of hours or more.

Yup, it's funny, but that is what we are seeing, apps crashing earlier than Orthos!

Quadcore OC is very different to Core Duo. I rarely see a "fail" in Prime95 or Orthos. It either DrWatsons in a crash, or reboots the whole machine.

What v BIOS are you at for 3600?, and what cooling?

[burningrave101]

I just flashed to the latest 0311 BIOS that was released today. I have a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with a Scythe 120mm high speed on it and 2x120mm in the blowholes above the heatsink, 1 rear 120mm, and a 120mm blowing against the RAM and NB itself. Temps seem pretty good.

I'm sitting at a little over 3700Mhz at the moment and had Orthos Small FFTs running for the last few hours and it just now crashed and rebooted itself. Never failed Orthos. CPU-Z and CoreTemp both crashed earlier. vCore is set at around 1.4875v I believe. I seem to be stable at 3600Mhz with 1.45v. Less then that has led to a crash and reboot after a few hours.

[davexl]

I just flashed to the latest 0311 BIOS that was released today. I have a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with a Scythe 120mm high speed on it and 2x120mm in the blowholes above the heatsink, 1 rear 120mm, and a 120mm blowing against the RAM and NB itself. Temps seem pretty good.

I'm sitting at a little over 3700Mhz at the moment and had Orthos Small FFTs running for the last few hours and it just now crashed and rebooted itself. Never failed Orthos. CPU-Z and CoreTemp both crashed earlier. vCore is set at around 1.4875v I believe. I seem to be stable at 3600Mhz with 1.45v. Less then that has led to a crash and reboot after a few hours.

man, for a Q6600 quad, that is golden at 3600! well done.

Mind listing any notable bios settings in case there is something I have missed?

EDIT: I see you are running a dual core, not a quad, my mistake...

[Mr Footlong]

Well all four sata drives recognized but in raid 0 xp keeps getting stop errors!
It installs fine in ide mode but in raid mode it reboots randomly.
Could this be a bios issue or should I rma my board before my 15 days is up?
Anyone else running raid 0 with xp pro?

Dude, I feel your pain. I have exactly the same problem on XP Pro as you and it did it's best to waste half my day yesterday. I was getting blue screen reboots, pauses occasionally too of up to 40 seconds where nothing would respond on the machine, iastor errors in the system event log, no fun at all. I had the 4 drives running in slots 1,2,3,4 and a dvd drive in 5. I changed all 4 drive cables and swapped them to slots 1,2,5,6 and had the dvd in 4. Booted back up as expected, made zero difference to the stability. I ran hdtune etc to try and stress the array and it would last less than 30 seconds before pausing but would then unpause and continue to run briefly again. I eventually got a read error on one of the runs, the intel raid manager flagged up an error on one of the drives and I rebooted.

Drive now flagged as having a problem. I reinstalled with just a 3 drive stripe, leaving the apparantly 'problem' drive as a single drive so that I could run tests on it. The WD diagnostics ran the full suite and it passed everything without error. I have used both the 0304 bios and the 0311 bios, stock clocks and a mild 3Ghz oc on a Q6600. No dice. These same 4 drives ran as a quad stripe flawlessly in both a P5WDH and a P5W64.

Don't take this the wrong way but I am glad that someone else seems to have the same issue that I have.

[sofarfrome]

Don't take this the wrong way but I am glad that someone else seems to have the same issue that I have.

It appears there is a hardware problem as many people are having issues with functionality of the sata ports. My board is going back today RMA because I can't get ports 1-4 to recognize/detect a drive when connected to them. I did a 22hour cmos clear and things began to come around but after getting the OS installed and all drivers and updates taken care of it began happening again where I had to go back to sata ports 5/6 to do anything and then I got the final error that there was no OS installed. I contaced ASUS first and they indicated it is hardware related. They believe the controller is bad.

[Mr Footlong]

I hope not in my case as I chopped the heatsink/heatpipe assemblies and bonded them on to the mosfets due to the board warping even when using a 775 retention bracket, leaving big old gaps between the heatsinks and the mosfets, making them totally pointless. No warranty for me!

[trajik78]

is 1.425v sounding right to get 3.2/400FSB stable for a e6420? tried lower voltage but wasnt stable. i just primed it 8 hrs solid.

cpu temp doesnt go above 45c, but NB temp tops about 48c...dunno if i should grab that Asus fan that goes on the cooling fins.

[ziddey]

that sounds right for the week 40's for the e6420's. is voltage damper on? what are actual load volts when you set that high?

[trajik78]

that sounds right for the week 40's for the e6420's. is voltage damper on? what are actual load volts when you set that high?

yeah, volt damper is on. Asus probe reports 1.4v idle and 1.38 lowest (1.39 most of the time) under 100% load.
--------------------------
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 266
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1000
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
RAS# Precharge: 4
RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
TWR: AUTO
TRFC: AUTO
TWTR: AUTO
TRRD: AUTO
TRTP: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled

Transaction Booster: AUTO
Clock Over-Charging Mode: AUTO

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

CPU Voltage: 1.425
CPU Voltage Reference: Auto
CPU Voltage Damper: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5
DRAM Voltage: 2.3
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.3
North Bridge Voltage: 1.4
North Bridge Voltage Reference: AUTO
South Bridge Voltage: AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
PECI: Enabled

[Anemone]

What kind of ram speeds do we see with 4gb/4slot populated? I note from the above that it won't do 1T with all 4 but still interested to see how other performance holds up.

[CERO]

Is there Anyone here who got their RAID 0 running without probs in this board?

[Mr Footlong]

Is there Anyone here who got their RAID 0 running without probs in this board?

It's gone too quiet for my liking .

[eva2000]

Eva is this board worth buying over the original striker board for quad ?

yes definitely P5K Deluxe > Striker

I flashed my BIOS to 0311 and it was almost the same harrowing experience as when I tried 0307. I again got the bad checksum when I booted. This time I cleared the CMOS as per manual, F1 to the BIOS, loaded my defaults and booted. I flashed the 0311 BIOS again as I noticed several setting messed up. That must have done the trick as it is now booting properly.

how you flashing via ez flash 2 in bios ?

[_JP_]

yeah, volt damper is on. Asus probe reports 1.4v idle and 1.38 lowest (1.39 most of the time) under 100% load.
--------------------------
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 266
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1000
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
RAS# Precharge: 4
RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
TWR: AUTO
TRFC: AUTO
TWTR: AUTO
TRRD: AUTO
TRTP: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled

Transaction Booster: AUTO
Clock Over-Charging Mode: AUTO

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

CPU Voltage: 1.425
CPU Voltage Reference: Auto
CPU Voltage Damper: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5
DRAM Voltage: 2.3
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.3
North Bridge Voltage: 1.4
North Bridge Voltage Reference: AUTO
South Bridge Voltage: AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
PECI: Enabled

Try set DRAM Static Read Control: Auto. In my case i gain about 200 in memory bandwidth in Sandra.

What kind of ram speeds do we see with 4gb/4slot populated? I note from the above that it won't do 1T with all 4 but still interested to see how other performance holds up.

I have 4x1Gb and seems stable.

470fsb ; 1:1 ; 4-4-4-12

In Sandra i get 81xx/82xx...lost about 100 to 2x1gb at same settings...


BTW i notice that the ram performs way much better using 1:1 that with multipliers.
If you test, you have better results with 425(850mhz) 1:1 that 375(900mhz) 5:6 for example.

Here are my tests in Sandra with 2x1gb ram:

CPU at 3375 with memory at 900mhz 4-4-4-12 (375 ; 5:6) - sandra 70xx/71xx

CPU at 3400 with memory at 850mhz 4-4-4-12 (425 ; 1:1) - sandra 74xx/75xx

CPU at 3150 with memory at 900mhz 4-4-4-12 (450 ; 1:1) - sandra 77xx/78xx

[msgclb]

how you flashing via ez flash 2 in bios ?

Yes, I'd cut my wrists before using Windows to flash a bios. I'm hoping that this problem is just going from 0304 to (0307 or 0311) and the next bios won't be such a pain.

By the way, I found a 50x10mm fan in my junk box so I put it on the NB using some SuperMount tape that I bought from RadioShack for $1.98. My idle MB temps dropped from 44c to 36c-37c. I think this SuperMount tape might work with a 60mm fan with better cfm.

[Mr Footlong]

Right, well I have been weak and bought a sata controller card as I have no intention of binning this mobo for unstable raid performance, due to how easily it overclocks, the sheer amoung of effort to get it out and all the WC gear off it again and the fact that I already have a weakness for 3ware cards. I will have a 9650SE-4LPML here tomorrow.

[trajik78]

Yes, I'd cut my wrists before using Windows to flash a bios. I'm hoping that this problem is just going from 0304 to (0307 or 0311) and the next bios won't be such a pain.

i've used the Asus update utility ever since my ol P4C800-E and have never run into a problem. I just run stock settings when im going to flash. i just used it to go to 0311 and it worked like a charm.

---EDIT---

btw, anyone know where i can get one of those Asus NB adapter fans?

[Speederlander]

Yes, I'd cut my wrists before using Windows to flash a bios. I'm hoping that this problem is just going from 0304 to (0307 or 0311) and the next bios won't be such a pain.

By the way, I found a 50x10mm fan in my junk box so I put it on the NB using some SuperMount tape that I bought from RadioShack for $1.98. My idle MB temps dropped from 44c to 36c-37c. I think this SuperMount tape might work with a 60mm fan with better cfm.

I've used Windows flash twice now with this board with no problem whatsoever.

[mat8861]

Is there Anyone here who got their RAID 0 running without probs in this board?

Yes it runs ok with vista, with xp you need to install the drivers from the cd (there ia a utility to make floppy install)

[Mr Footlong]

Yes it runs ok with vista, with xp you need to install the drivers from the cd (there ia a utility to make floppy install)

I don't think that is what he meant. I think he is referring to the stability issues that a number of us seem to be having with RAID0

[Bootsy]

Is there Anyone here who got their RAID 0 running without probs in this board?

yes I am currently running 3 raptors in raid zero and a 4th 750gb drive for storage. I am running vista 64 bit ultimate. I did have problems until i used just the red sata ports with nothing connected to the 2 black ports.