Warning !!! Don't Buy Aluminium Waterblocks

[LogAn'sRun]

OK, now I'm confused. Here I am with my finger on the trigger of a CPU block purchase(literally), and you show me stuff like this? Can someone just alleviate any fears that I may have with buying an Apogee GTX? Reading this thread mixed with this one:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=145609
makes me wonder if I've made the right choice. Before I click the mouse button, is the GTX safe to use, or should I just *step* down to the GT?

[safan80]

Before I click the mouse button, is the GTX safe to use, or should I just *step* down to the GT?

As long as your not mixing Aluminium water blocks with copper water blocks you should have no problems.

[MrToad]

OK, now I'm confused. Here I am with my finger on the trigger of a CPU block purchase(literally), and you show me stuff like this? Can someone just alleviate any fears that I may have with buying an Apogee GTX? Reading this thread mixed with this one:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=145609
makes me wonder if I've made the right choice. Before I click the mouse button, is the GTX safe to use, or should I just *step* down to the GT?

I doubt Swiftech would release a block that is not up to standards.

If there's something you can't possibly fault is their craftmanship.

Besides, there's not yet any thread labelled "Apogee GTX sux!", and people in these forums are pretty much as extreme as it gets.

[Kayin]

That's a failure of anodization and a failure to use anticorrosives in a loop knowingly containing aluminum. This failure was your fault.

If you want to see an aluminum waterblock in a mixed metal loop that's still fine, when I break this system next I'll tear apart mine and show you. Hell, the stainless in mine goes before the aluminum does. IF you take proper precautions, these things don't happen.

And if you're so worried about what a little bit of anticorrosive does to your temps, hell, run ammonia. Better temps all around.

*EDITed by IFMU*
While the info was, well, informative, how about being a bit less rude next time.

Thanks

IFMU

[MrToad]

hell, run ammonia. Better temps all around.

LOL!. Ammonia will nyam nyam through the loop big time.

Mind you, galvanic corrosion won't be an issue.

Mainly because the tubing and most likely the impeller assembly will just disintegrate.

Afterwards you will spend some time coughing blood and the computer (or lack of it) will be the least of your concerns.

Overall a great improvement ^^;

[Kayin]

Never said it was safer. But it is more thermally capacitive than water all around. I mean, this is XtremeSystems, right? Don't we want everything we can get? What's a lung for performance? *sarcasm is wearing thin even for me...*

For every pic like that you post, I can show you tens or hundreds of blocks that didn't do that. There come a point in time where you have to recognize 1. It's a chance, 2. It's not a good chance, 3. I can do things to prevent it, 4. This is a rare occurrence. He admitted he ran no anticorrosive. I'm sorry that you're that dim. That sucks for you, but it doesn't mean that everyone's stuff will do that. In fact, most people's dont.

My old Koolance's biggest problem was algae. That was it. Once I learned about bleach, I was fine. I ran freaking bleach water in an aluminum radiator and three years later when I got rid of it it was still going fine.

I'm sorry that this happened. But, quit running around saying that it will happen to any aluminum. That's FUD, no science. Quit the drama already.

*EDITed by IFMU*
While again, informative and overall a decent post. Minus this,

I'm sorry that you're that dim

Yes, I am in a bad mood and sick of seeing people bash even slightly, it will come to an end.

IFMU

[ziddey]

Listen. Swiftech is not stupid. They are an American company.

There are quite a few lawyers in this forum. Can you say product liability class action?

That's your assurance. My GTX loop has had nothing happen so far.

Gee, blanket statements. And insinuations that other countries are stupid. Good going can't wait to leave this country. And then there's going to be the obligatory, "good, can't wait for you to leave" statement coming up

*EDITed by IFMU*
While I can see that this may well be taken that way, I do believe he meant that the way it was written.
Living in america makes a company very easy to sue for some pamby mamby crap. So it is doubtful they would actually want this outcome.

IFMU

[Origin_Unknown]

Gee, blanket statements. And insinuations that other countries are stupid. statement coming up

wow, i was about to say the same thing

Yes. This is America and I believe that American companies are astute. Did I comment about other countries ?

Yes, you insuinated that only american companys are smart enough to do some R&D.

[ziddey]

edit: guess I mentioned that before. thought you were kgb for a second

[Kayin]

Funny, the statement made perfect sense to me. The reference was a bit broken, but he is clearly talking about the fact that Swifty isn't gonna make a product that is instant legal buttrape. (as the above posted block may be...)





*EDITed by IFMU*
Well put, thank you for clarifying.

IFMU

[alexio]

Yes. This is America and I believe that American companies are astute. Did I comment about other countries ?

Like in any other country a lot of idiots live in the US. Some of those idiots own companies or are employed to perform important tasks for companies (R&D for example). And yes, in some markets weak companies can survive, because there isn't enough competition.

Al + Cu = nomatter what liquid you use or how you cote the Al.

[ziddey]

hey, alexio hit the nail on the head. America is the breeding ground for idiots. There's still good like swiftech and others, but everyday, you'll still find yourself surrounded by idiots. and if not that, you get hicks. hippies. oh man. and of course, in some places, you get hippy hicks. goodie!!!

[Origin_Unknown]

I can't help that you guys suffer from an immense, twisted inferiority complex.

i cant help but think you've got 85 star spangled banners waving about outside your house / on your car and that you feel america is the pinacle of any civilisations.

Basically, a chap has had a bad experience with an alu block and feels no one should ever use them and by R&D i mean that any company will do some to make sure that if used correctly i.e. with the correct water addatives to stop corrosion that this kind of thing will not happen, which, he hasn't.





*EDITed by IFMU*
How about we put this bull to rest? Now.

IFMU

[Kayin]

You know what, if we wanna disprove this, I'm willing to offer my loop. I'll run aluminum components and wait for my system to die. Granted, i do get anticorrosive.

Oh wait, I'm doing it. I've got the chemistry know-how to make a polyoxmethylene substitute from stuff off the shelf at Hobby Lobby, and I'm still running it. Granted, that loop is filled with PC Ice. Superior lubrication properties for pumps and good anticorrosive properties...

There's a reason that Innovatek will not warranty anything that did not use InnovaProtect fluid-cause they are aware of the AL nobility issue, and they have created a product to cope. Same with AC. These companies know about the issues and have made additives that address this issue.

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

GREEN OATMEAL! that stuff is actually disgusting looking

[LogAn'sRun]

As long as your not mixing Aluminium water blocks with copper water blocks you should have no problems.

does that mean if I went with the MCW60 I would have problems? Or is is so simple as to use a little anticorrussive and badda boom badda bing no problem?
Or should I choose another GPU block that fits n-series 7 now with upgrade to NS 8 in the future if I want to run the GTX? Sorry to be so noob and hijack the thread, but we are talking about aluminum (like in the title) and not how america is superior/inferior. . .

[sbrehm72255]

hey, alexio hit the nail on the head. America is the breeding ground for idiots. There's still good like swiftech and others, but everyday, you'll still find yourself surrounded by idiots. and if not that, you get hicks. hippies. oh man. and of course, in some places, you get hippy hicks. goodie!!!

Boy, I guess you really like offending people don't you, just where the heck do you get off putting labels on peope like "HICKS and HIPPY HICKS, just because someone lives out in the country and lives a simple live, doesn't give you the right to start calling them aHICK or HIPPY HICK.
Seeing as you live in NY, I guess I could label you a big city :banana::banana::banana: or Peter Puffer, if the shoe fits I guess.

*EDITed by IFMU*
How about we put this bull to rest? Now.

IFMU

[MrToad]

does that mean if I went with the MCW60 I would have problems? Or is is so simple as to use a little anticorrussive and badda boom badda bing no problem?
Or should I choose another GPU block that fits n-series 7 now with upgrade to NS 8 in the future if I want to run the GTX? Sorry to be so noob and hijack the thread, but we are talking about aluminum (like in the title) and not how america is superior/inferior. . .

This is quoted directly from the product sheet of the Apogee GTX:

The housing is CNC machined out of billet aluminum and receives two plating's for a lifetime protection against corrosion: electroless nickel plating (MIL-C-26074E grade B) and Zinc Cobalt plating (ASTM B 840-99 grade 6). A black die is applied after plating strictly for cosmetic appeal.

As I stated before, if there's something you can't fault Swiftech for is craftmanship. These people know their onions.

If you don't deliberately scratch the plating, you won't get any galvanic corrosion.

[sbrehm72255]

sbrehm72255,

Don't worry about it, dude. Ithaca, NY is in the stigs, if there were anything resembling hick-ville. Its a college town, and apart from a college, it might as well be the jungle in Laos. Talk about hippies, upstate NY has the biggest congregation of hippies anywhere.

This is clearly a European attending college in America and who finds it fit to ridicule Americans. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

People like that just really piss me off and bring out the worst in me................ They just make me want to ripoff their heads and crap in their necks.
Attitudes like that about Americans is the main reason I moved out of Germany to the US, to get away from closed mined fools like that.

*EDITed by IFMU*
How about we put this bull to rest? Now.

IFMU

[Turtle 1]

Been using Koolance Rads for a few years. These are made of Alu. We use them with copper water blocks. I have sold 68 systems using koolance. I change the koolance fluids 1 a year is these systems. Not once have I found any . ANY! form of corrusion.

You can find all kinds od corrosion stories in systems that use copper only. Were did that corrosion come from.

I believe some people have had issues with mixing copper and Alu. But its way over played by people in the forums who seem to be pushing or selling other parts.

[Hard H20]

My GTX loop has had nothing happen so far.

+1

Running an Apogee GTX in a backup machines loop, no issues at all.

[LogAn'sRun]

MrToad,
thanks for the reply, I figured as much but it always helps to have someone give that extra push!
I'll be placing that order when I get home, and man I can't wait to begin to WC!!!! woOt

[serialk11r]

+1

Running an Apogee GTX in a backup machines loop, no issues at all.

Well the GTX has a nickel plating over it...
This guy's block I think didn't even have anodization.
Sure you can put additives in to inhibit corrosion but why do that when you must compromise on performance?

[AuroraProject]

hey, alexio hit the nail on the head. America is the breeding ground for idiots. There's still good like swiftech and others, but everyday, you'll still find yourself surrounded by idiots. and if not that, you get hicks. hippies. oh man. and of course, in some places, you get hippy hicks. goodie!!!

Do some traveling, you'll learn that every country on the planet has its fair share of idiots.

*EDITed by IFMU*
How about we put this bull to rest? Now.

IFMU

[Mekrel]

As stated, you will be fine if you use a strong anti-corrosion inhibator in your coolant. However this isn't as good as running pure water which you can do in a full copper loop.

Also aluminium sucks if being used as the base of the block or in a radiator - copper performs better.

ApogeeGTX will be fine, it's plated - I'm putting one in my loop with just water and biocide and I never usually put anything but copper, nickel plated brass and plastic in my loops.