Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[Metroid]

Have they decided on what socket k10 is going to be? Or have I missed something along the way?

Well they said is going to be AM2+, AM3 and Socket 1207, but they can change their minds anyway.

It would be really sad if Intel 45nm benchies are out before AMD 65nm K10 They said someone might leak 'um in April and now it's May 5th

Fudzilla did leak something for the April fool's day.

[Syn.]

Well they said is going to be AM2+, AM3 and Socket 1207, but they can change their minds anyway.

Let me see how compliceated this is.

AM2 = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR2
AM2+ = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR2, + being added like something they use to do before when they put words like Turbo or Plus. In this case + on the end stands for a DDR2 supporting chip plus HTT 3.0 support.

AM3 = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR3
AM3+ = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR3 but have some updated feature that older generation of chips that used the same sockett didnt have. New motherboards that still feature same physicall sockett to be distincty different from older motherboards have to carry a new sockett name to show that they support new generation of cpu's.

Sockett 1207 is the server equivalent of the the AMx socketts. AMD keeps server chips in same socketts so that upgrading dose not requier new motherboard, one selling point for the "Barcelona" is that it can be put into current motherboard.

CPU's being pin compatibe within chip generation (i.e AM2 and AM2+) you can put any AM2 supporting, be it a HTT1.0 or HTT3.0 supporting chip will fit in all motherboards, only there is little reason why anyone would put HTT1.0 chip in a new HTT3.0 supporting motherboard.

Now AMD has not changed anything when it comes to what they will call AM2 sockette or AM3 or what they will be for. Sure we heard rumours what such named socketts names might be but AMD didnt tell us them selfs so they never changed thier mind about anything.

So tell me whats so confusing or changing about AMD sockett naming scheme's.

i cant believe im still seeing that god forsaken Socket AM2 on amd's future processors charts

Some of the future chips will only support HTT1.0 links so there is no reason why anyone would use a AM2+ motherboard for a HTT1.0 chip, especally since AM2 sockett motherboard will be cheaper reason why HTT1.0 features on cheapers chips.

[xVeinx]

Let me see how compliceated this is.

AM2 = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR2
AM2+ = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR2, + being added like something they use to do before when they put words like Turbo or Plus. In this case + on the end stands for a DDR2 supporting chip plus HTT 3.0 support.

AM3 = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR3
AM3+ = AMD Sockett for chips that support DDR3 but have some updated feature that older generation of chips that used the same sockett didnt have. New motherboards that still feature same physicall sockett to be distincty different from older motherboards have to carry a new sockett name to show that they support new generation of cpu's.

Sockett 1207 is the server equivalent of the the AMx socketts. AMD keeps server chips in same socketts so that upgrading dose not requier new motherboard, one selling point for the "Barcelona" is that it can be put into current motherboard.

CPU's being pin compatibe within chip generation (i.e AM2 and AM2+) you can put any AM2 supporting, be it a HTT1.0 or HTT3.0 supporting chip will fit in all motherboards, only there is little reason why anyone would put HTT1.0 chip in a new HTT3.0 supporting motherboard.

Now AMD has not changed anything when it comes to what they will call AM2 sockette or AM3 or what they will be for. Sure we heard rumours what such named socketts names might be but AMD didnt tell us them selfs so they never changed thier mind about anything.

So tell me whats so confusing or changing about AMD sockett naming scheme's.

Your missing his point. He's simply noting what sockets the Barcelona variants will support. The naming scheme has absolutely nothing to do with it; if anything, he is simply saying that the supported sockets might change, aka. no more AM2, only AM2+ and beyond.

[naokaji]

Your missing his point. He's simply noting what sockets the Barcelona variants will support. The naming scheme has absolutely nothing to do with it; if anything, he is simply saying that the supported sockets might change, aka. no more AM2, only AM2+ and beyond.

compability with socket am2 will be one thing... the performance difference of one and the same cpu in a am2 vs. am2+ will be another and remains yet to be seen....

[Syn.]

Your missing his point. He's simply noting what sockets the Barcelona variants will support. The naming scheme has absolutely nothing to do with it; if anything, he is simply saying that the supported sockets might change, aka. no more AM2, only AM2+ and beyond.

I thought i was clear. AM2 is same as AM2+ just no HTT3.0.

Low-end chips which would go into low end motherboards will not need as much as bandwidth as top end. Therefore there is no reasony why low end chips should have HTT3.0 links which would make them cost more.

AM2 will still exist, hence the reason why its still on roadmap, together with AM2+ because they are one and the same. So my point being until AMD sees that thier low end chips are being heavly crippled by lack of bandwidth they will keep the HTT1.0 links in which would continue the support for AM2 sockett. So really the naming scheme has alot to do with it because AM2 is made for mass market consumers not hardware the likes of hardware builders that have Sockett 1207.

Did i mention that AM2 and AM2+ are the same sockett?

[_damien_]

I thought i was clear. AM2 is same as AM2+ just no HTT3.0.

AM2+ also supports split power planes and individual management of the memory channels. On AM2 boards they have to operate in lockstep, even though K10 features two independent address/command units.